The Mindbenders-Answer

Morning,all.

Things we didnt know we didn’t know! I’ll be honest,when our sadly departed frien,Ian,told me that SOLKITTS had taken up refereeing after moving south,I didn’t laugh-I expected him to be rather good at it. But apart from all the ruinning about stuff,how hard can it be?

Hmmm,harder than I bliddy thought,thats for sure! Constant updates and tweaks on The Twelve Commandments that had been set in stone since Moses was a lad?

Who’d be a ref,right enough…

So,here’s the answers. Probably more mindbending than the questions!!!

1.  b, 50 x 100 yards.  Not much room to move, and you’d be hard pushed to see a game on a pitch that size.  The maximum size is 90 x 130 yards, though it’s 80 x 120 yards for international football.

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2.  a.  One of the 4th officials tasks is to ensure only 1 person standing and giving instructions from the technical area at any given time.

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3.  a.  That’s a target of 192 square feet…

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4.  a.  That has never changed, even back in the days of the old laceys.  Difference now is that the modern ball doesn’t absorb water like the old one, so doesn’t turn into a medicine ball on a wet day.

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5.  Whistle, notepad, red + yellow cards, pencil, coin, watches.

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6.  c.  The ref shouldn’t be in a position where the ball hitting him would go in the goal, but if he was, the decision is a drop ball.  Wouldn’t do much for your match control.

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7.  c.  This one is a real head-scratcher, but it’s quite clear in Law 10.  If the goalkeeper throws the ball directly into the opponents’ goal, a goal kick is awarded.

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8.  b.  You can’t be offside directly from a goal kick, throw in, or corner kick.

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9.  b.  The offence is punching or attempting to punch another player, so the fact it missed is irrelevant.  As the ball was in play, it is serious foul play, even against a team mate, and must be punished by a red card and a direct free kick from where the offence took place.  In this instance, the offence took place in team A’s penalty area, so a penalty kick is the decision.

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10.  b.  The offence was serious foul play as the ball was in play.  Regardless of where the ball was in play, the decision is a direct free kick at the position where the offence occurred.  A red card should also be shown for the head butt.

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11.  c.  At a penalty kick, the kicker must identify himself.  Once clear who is taking the kick, no other player may take it without advising the referee.  The sanction is a caution for the player who took the kick when he shouldn’t have, and an indirect free kick to the defending team.

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12.  a.  At the moment of delivering the ball, the thrower must have part of each foot on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline, so anything on the line makes the throw legal.  Both feet must be on the ground when he takes the throw.

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13.  c.  Good advantage.  The thrower’s opponents must not encroach within 2 yards of the thrower, and to do so should result in an indirect free kick to the thrower’s team and a caution for the player who encroached.  However, despite the opponent’s action, the thrower’s team should not be penalised for it, so the advantage must be allowed and the goal must stand….unless the referee had already blown his whistle for the offence.

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14.  c.  If the ball travels directly fro a corner kick into the taker’s goal, a corner kick is awarded to the other team.

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15.  c.  If the ref, assistant ref, or 4th official can identify the culprit, then the person identified must be sent off for foul and abusive language.  If unable to identify the culprit, but in no doubt about where the abuse came from, the most senior coach in technical area should be sent off as he is responsible for the behaviour of the occupants of the technical area.  The only person in this area who can’t be sent off is the physio/medical staff, but if they made the comment it would be reported to the FA as a sending off offence.

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SOLKITTS

That really looked such a straightforward exercise on paper,but when I looked at the questions,I was genuinely flummoxed with some-far too many!-of them. And you guys have to decide on the spur of the moment? Bugger that for a game of soldiers…

I get that it is hardly life and death,but I refer you back to The Glenbuck Cherrypicker,Mr Shankly. I’m really proud of your achievements while you have so many other commitments,but I didn’t realise that the buggers gave you homework during your school holidays too!

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Btw,I got nine correct. The assessor and I would be having a brief discussion,especially about where I was being sent for re-education.

Twisty

Bobby
My son is a recently qualified ref and he got one wrong.😁
Scottish refs eh!!

Leggy

Morning all,

I got 5 out of 10.

Do I now have to stop shouting “ Whose the Mason in the Black 🎶🎶”.

Enjoy your day folks 💚

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TWISTY

Your son will go far,with that rate of success. As I said,I had time to think about these,but for referees to make that decision on the spot?

I mean,there are only twelve bliddy laws in the first place! How difficult can it be? And Brian Clough always said football was a simple game?

BTW,I reinstated your post about health. Fell foul of the filters,apparently. I hope it is of benefit to anyone else having their own problems. Thanks for that,J.

McCaff

Morning all…notwithstanding Q5 I predicted a confident 6. And that’s exactly what I got!! I see the problem like we play or watch the game – we look at the question from an emotional point of view rather than breaking down the question to understand what’s going on. So we look at it from A “how does it affect my team?” or “what did I do wrong there ref?” point of view. And this is where the frustration of VAR analysis come in; the VARs have a bit of time to dissect passages of play and incidents to arrive at decisions which can leave us even more frustrated, bewildered and confused!
Roll on the new season!!
Briliant Sol, enjoyed it!

Sol Kitts

The most helpful thing for a referee is that most players haven’t got a clue about whether your decision is right or wrong. Like I said yesterday, if you’re close to the play, get a good view of any incident, and act with confidence most players just accept your decision. They’ll moan about everything that goes against them, even though they have no idea what they’re moaning about. 😎

jimthetim53

Morning all & Packy,

6 Correct. Better than I thought! I wont be coming out of retirement 🙂
Thanks Sol.

Awe Naw
A thing of beauty

2 out of 15. Ffs confirming that wimmen know nothing about football and CCB is right. Best to keep your mouth shut and have people think you’re an idiot than open your mouth and prove it 😂😂

Twisty

Bobby
He’s getting fed up with it already. Not the training, not the refresher courses etc, but the distances he’s having to travel to ref matches at weekends. Getting sent all over the place. Said it’s taking up his whole weekend just to ref a couple matches.
His son plays on Sundays too so it’s difficult for him to ref in a Sunday and get to my grandsons games as well.

Not sure he wants to make the commitment anymore.

My grandsons team Broxburn, were involved in a tight league battle with Shotts last season and won it on a head to head v Shotts on the very last day of the season. It was so tight that he didn’t want to miss his matches last year.

Heading off just shortly.

Can I respectfully request you put the naps thread up tomorrow? Ty.

I’ll post a reminder on the blog later.

Sol Kitts

Twisty
That’s a shame. I had similar problems down here with the FA. They want far too much, and forget that people have to work for a living and have other commitments in their family life. Can he not get onto a more local league where travelling distances are less of an issue?

Sol Kitts

Way back in the early days of this site, I posted a leader about the commitment needed to be a ref. Maybe BMCUWP could locate it and repost?

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Sorry,should have been this one.

https://sentinelcelts.com/2018/12/04/men-in-black/

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TWISTY

Happy to do so when I get up for work later. Can you mail me the details,please?

Prestonpans bhoys

Bobby@10:35

Fascinating read from Sol, so much effort involved. Would be interesting how Bobby madhun would describe his routine😕

Leggy

Sol,

That’s a great insight into a “ Day in the life of a referee “.
Tremendous read 👏👏👏

Thanks.

Craig76
Twisty

Sol K
Apologies. I was travelling there.

That IS the ‘LOCAL’ league but seems to incorporate teams from all over. West Lothian league but for whatever reason teams from other counties can play in it. Shotts for example ( although as far as travelling goes Shotts isn’t too bad, but there are quite a few others)

That’s only the boys football . Junior football has gone crazy re set up.

Whitburn won the league last year. They’re now going to be travelling the length and breadth of East Scotland, Fife and the borders . There are no ‘ local ’ teams in that league next year. ( local to Whitburn)
Some away games will be a 120mile round trip or more. What junior supporter will bother travelling? I certainly won’t. I’ll go watch Musselburgh. Are refs from this area expected to travel those dates stances? I’m not sure to honest but my sons experience tells me they’re not planning it very well.
I honestly can’t remember what he was getting paid for a match but I do remember saying him it wasn’t bad for 90 minutes.
That’s the point though. He said “It’s not for 90 mins when you consider travelling time. It can be 3-4 hours or more”
I’m thinking he won’t bother next year if it continues in the same vein but I’ll wait and see.

To finish :

ATOB
I see you saying ( in jest) about your poor score in Sol K’s quiz.
I was saying to my son I’d hardly have got any correct.

He said “ No, and neither would I prior to qualifying, there’s an unbelievable amount to take in”

Definitely not a “ woman” thing.😁

Bobby
I’ll mail you later. I’m Hank Marvin.

( still feel guilty every time I say that- mum used to say “ you’re NOT starving. People in Biafra are starving”)

Anyhow – she’s not on this blog so she won’t know. As I say – I’m starving 😁

SeS

Sol Kitts

Some real eye openers there btw!

Great topic.

Q’s being shared around – hope you don’t mind?

16 Roads

Just goes to show what a difficult job the likes of Madden & Beaton have.😆
HH. 🍀🏆

Sol Kitts

SeS
Share away, mate, no problems

bada bing1

16 Roads- made me laugh there…..I’m undercover in East Belfast…😳

Mahe

With regards the Naps, is it the Newmarket meetings we are focusing on?

16 Roads

Bada – Next time you are over let me know chief & I’ll take you on a wee tour of the good part of town sure.
WestSideIsTheBestSideCSC.
HH.😎🍀🏆

16 Roads

Mahe – Not sure however the competition Fleagle ran on the old blog, used to be one selection from any British or Irish meeting every Saturday.
HH.🏆🍀

Bigrailroadblues

Good afternoon all from the Vogue. I’ve posted this before from the Glasgow Observer, 1st November 1924. It’s still the most hilarious and accurate descriptions of the hun.

On the terracing at the Dalmarnock end on Saturday there was congregated a gang, thousands strong, including the dregs and scourings of filthy slumdom, unwashed yahoos, jailbirds, night hawks, won’t works, ‘buroo’ barnacles and pavement pirates, all, or nearly all, in the scarecrow stage of verminous trampdom. This ragged army of insanitary pests was lavishly provided with orange and blue remnants, and these were flaunted in challenge as the football tide flowed this way and that. Practically without cessation for ninety minutes or more, the vagabond rabble kept up a strident howl of the ‘Boyne Water’ chrorus. Nothing so designedly provoking, so maliciously insulting, or so bestially ignorant has ever been witnessed even in the wildest exhibitions of Glasgow Orange bigotry…

… Blatantly filthy language of the lowest criminal type assailed the shocked ears of decent onlookers. There was no getting away from it, chanted as it was by thousands of voices in bedlamite yells. The stentorian use of filthy language is a crime against the law of the land. Policemen lined the track and listened to the hooligan uproar, yet nothing was done to stop it. The scandal was renewed with increased violence in London road after the match. Is it possible the Blue mob can do just anything and get away with it? Prompt official steps were taken to supress and prosecute the green brake-club lads who dared sing ‘The Dear Little Shamrock’ in Paisley Road. Yet thousands of foulmouthed and blasphemous orange ruffians are free to run amok over the East End of Glasgow. How do you account for it?

Ffs hahahaha 😆 😂

bada bing1

16 Roads- cheers,i hope they will be home for good in January, but will keep it in mind,was over in October and went for beers in the Short Strand……what a set up….

Sol Kitts

I think I may have gotten a grand total of one question correct. Do I receive the highly coveted wooden-spoon?

BRB

The good old “Man In The Know” from the Glasgow Observer. That particular column always gives me a right laugh. The kicker is, that the man was being perfectly serious at the time. 😀

16 Roads

Brilliant Bada!!
That is a tough wee district the Strand is.
Like a wee oasis of green in the desert!
HH. 😎🍀🏆

SeS

BRRB

Brilliant- and that was just their fans in the main stand 🤣😂😂

SeS

Sol Kitts

👍

Bigrailroadblues

SeS, that was just the wummin. 😂😂

JimmynotPaul

Bada. 5.12.
That’s such a sad story, indeed.
All so sudden, too. 💚💚

JimmynotPaul

Well that’s Covid, finally, caught me.
My wife has been quite ill, with it, this week, like bad flu, I’ve been ok, but last 2 days, sore throat and some mild sweats. Tested positive today, i have to be honest if my wife hadn’t tested positive, I wouldn’t have bothered testing, as I thought, just a wee sore throat.
Hopefully, I stay lucky and it doesn’t get any worse and, of course, that my lovely wife, recovers soon.

JNP

Best wishes to you and the good lady for a speedy recovery.

bada bing

Ellen R.I.P.

Leggy

Bada,

Read that earlier. So sad.

RIP Ellen 🙏🙏🙏

JNP,

Quick recovery hopefully 👍👍

big packy

BADA,🙏

jimthetim53

Evening Packy 🙂

Sol Kitts

JnP and Mrs JnP
Take care, both of you. COVID’s a sneaky bugger, some people just shrug it off while others get hit hard. I had it in March/April, when you still had to test negative for 2 consecutive days before going back to work. I felt fine after 4 days, but didn’t test negative till day 10. Mrs Kitts had it at the same time and was clear in 6 days.
Hot toddies, that’s the answer.

Scotland ladies beating Ukraine 3-0 first half
Souness will be gutted

BB@5:12pm
A very sad story.

Friesdorfer

JNP
Best wishes to you and your good lady for a full and speedy recovery.
HH

bada bing1

Crowded House BBC 4 Glastonbury now

Gordon64

Sam Fender live @ Glasto on BBC i player 😎 http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0cdxyhf

Billy Bhoy

Due to being very busy earlier today and then golfing this is my first look in today.

Firstly, many thanks to Twisty – and everyone else for their comments. I’ve had no pain whatsoever so far so ill keep a close eye on it. I take on board everything you said about the current state of our NHS. My belief is that this Government are dismantling it before our eyes. Its heartbreaking. 6m waiting for surgery!

I’m away now to tot up my scores from yesterday….

big packy

HI ALL and jim was going to say 53 but jim knows who i mean cant believe where we are at the moment people talking about

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