Starting As You Mean To Go On

Morning,all.

It’s flag day for us on Sunday. And as it is against Aberdeen,I expect their fans to give it a body-swerve! Cheap stereotype gag aside,how many of us actually thought,a year ago,that we would be raising the championship flag this weekend?

Obviously,I didn’t-and I said so,often. That given the size of the rebuild required,I said that we should allow Ange a season to get some confidence back into his players,get them coached to playing with and for each other and learn his system. Don’t get me wrong,I had already been impressed by the little I had seen of his training methods and even his interviews. But we had already seen some preseason friendlies and European qualifiers. Only the match against AZ Alkmaar inspired much confidence.

Judge him on his second season,I said. As long as we can see obvious improvement,to the extent that we look capable of mounting a strong challenge to regain our title,that should be all that can be expected.

Well I’m rarely happy to be wrong. But I always hold my hands up when it happens. And Bhoy,did I get that one wrong! And yes,I was bliddy delighted too!!! Yet for so long,it looked like I was likely to be correct-which pleased me not one jot. 

Despite some promising performances,our results were far from promising. An unlucky defeat in Seville was followed by a home thrashing from Leverkusen. Worse,after seven league games we had gained only ten points-seven behind the huns by middle of October. Oh,hell…

And then it all just seemed to kick into place. We hit form,hit our opponents for six,and went into the New Year break within touching distance of the leaders. A few weeks after the restart,we hammered them at home and followed it up by beating them in their ain midden anaw.

Out of sight,and with the League Cup already in the bag,that title-winning champagne must have tasted very fine indeed to our new hero.

Yet,having got so much wrong a year ago about how our season was likely to pan out,I also printed a much more optimistic article around the same time. Ange is hardly the first Celtic manager in my lifetime to have come into the club on the back of a dreadful season,yet win the league at the first time of asking. 

If you had asked any Celtic fan in January 1965 if they fancied our chances of winning the league the following season,he would have damned you for a sarcastic bastert and spat in your eye-if you were lucky! Yet win it,we did. And added The European Cup the following season,as well as completing NINE titles in a row.

Jock Stein inherited a disparate bunch of young lads,lost in the wilderness.

Add some experience (and steely arrogance in the case of the latter!) in the form of Ronnie Simpson and Bertie Auld. Throw in a mix of player appraisal,encouragement and some proper coaching-with a ball,ffs!-and the players became the world beaters we remember them as.

But it all started from nowhere,when Jock walked through the door.

Sadly,Jock suffered from a serious run of disaster in 77-78. Losing Kenny Dalglish was bad enough. To lose Danny McGrain and Pat Stanton for the season almost from the start was disastrous. To see the rest of the squad drop like flies as time went on meant he was in fire-fighting mode. And the board joined the media in pouring petrol onto the flames. We finished FIFTH that year. Desmond White took great relish in firing our greatest ever manager. A shameful end for someone who has a stand named after him. I’ve named one of the urinals at Celtic Park after White. Good enough for him.

In fairness,he brought in our greatest ever captain as a replacement. And promptly allowed him to break the six figure transfer fee-three times in the summer-something that Jock had never been permitted to do. His only signing for decent money since the £80,000 on Ronnie Glavin-in 1974!-was Johnny Doyle at £90,000 two years later.

Having finished so far behind Rangers,and three other teams as well,few gave us any chance. That was probably still the case in March of 79 too,as a protracted big freeze hammered our title hopes almost as badly as some earlier performances had.

Few who were there on 21-5-79 will ever forget it. Another first season title into the bargain!

And he repeated the trick nine years later,in our Centenary Season. The arrival of Souness had put the afterburners on our rivals,and despite being miles ahead of them at Christmas 1986,we had faltered badly,losing a nine point lead to surrender our title by about the same amount. We also lost McClair,McInally,McLeod,and Judas. And Danny McGrain retired too!

Well,add in some replacements like McAvennie,Walker,Miller,Morris,etc. Get the best out of Mark McGhee. Ride your luck,rope-a-dope and hit them in the last minute and injury-time! Voila,a Centenary Season double-winning first season (reprise) return in triumph!

Then the wheels came off for a decade! Until Wim The Tim arrived-with Murdo McLeod in tow,btw. Operation Stop The Ten. It was vital for the fans,but it was vital for Fergus as well. We could see real strong progress. The team in the last year or two was as terrific to watch as any in my lifetime anyway-but he had sacked Tommy Burns. And allowed much of that team to leave,mostly somewhat acrimoniously too. And all we knee about Wim is that he was one of the Feyenoord team in 1970!

WTF?????????????

Well,we didn’t have the internet and wall to wall football a quarter of a century ago. Neither did the SMSM-yet many of us still fell for their trash. I know,but we did-by and large.

Fergus backed Tommy Burns all the time when he wanted a player,as far as I know. And David Hay was very capable indeed of pulling a rabbit out of the hat in that respect. But I think by then the relationship between Celtic and David had soured-largely due to Jock Brown. Appointed by Fergus for probably the right reasons,he was very much the wrong guy. Wim wanted Henrik Larsson,Jock didn’t. Wim wanted Paul Lambert,Brown told him the price was too high. Fergus overruled him,and told him to get him. Etc.

Wim had very firm ideas on how he wanted his team to play,and needed the players to achieve that. Fergus did his best to accommodate that,though I’m sure that not every approach to a player worked. Look at the list of players signed that year,via wiki.

·       Darren Jackson – Hibernian – £1,250,000 – July 1997

·       Craig Burley – Chelsea – £2,400,000 – July 1997

·       Stephane Mahe – Rennes – £500,000 – July 1997

·       Henrik Larsson – Feyenoord – £650,000 – August 1997

·       Regi Blinker – Sheffield Wednesday – Exchange – August 1997

·       Jonathan Gould – Bradford City – Free Transfer – August 1997

·       Marc Rieper – West Ham United – £1,500,000′ – September 1997

·       Paul Lambert – Borussia Dortmund – £1,900,000 – November 1997

·       Harald Brattbakk – Rosenborg BK – £2,000,000′ – December 1997

Another famous title win,and won once again by a first-season manager against the odds! Sadly,Brown outlasted Wim,but he left a few months later,with Dr Jo the last manager to serve under Fergus. Murray hired Advocaat,piled the debts to the ceiling and left us trailing. No title for the good doctor,but I remember him well for giving us Lubo and Big Johann. And we made about £5m on Viduka-or alternatively,got Leeds to pay Chelsea for Sutton in exchange for him.

Bloody good deal that!

So we enter the 21st Century-and we’ve just lost the league by 21 points! Enter Martin O’Neill and co,along with The Evil Genius,Joos,Neil Lennon,Thommo and a couple of others,and we waltz away with a 15 point victory in his first season.

Gordon Strachan takes over an aging squad in 2005,told to cut the wage bill-we call it downsizing on here-and voila!

And via Ronny Deila and Brendan Rodgers,who were expected to win the titles-but who can forget the latter’s Invincible Season in his first attempt?-we were back at Square One with Ange only a year ago.

Well,if you know your history? I said a year ago that we have a history of our managers managing to win the title at their first attempt. And mostly against the odds.

I very much get the feeling that AP has achieved against the odds,that he has felt for much of his career that he will have to ram it right up them to prove them wrong. He will not rest on his laurels now,that’s for sure.

Enjoy the game on Sunday. I know I will. But show your appreciation all the more for the one man more than any who made it possible.


And maybe spare a thought for Dominic McKay,who backed his demands.

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Above article by BMCUWP

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jimthetim53

Honestly Packy?

Gordon64

JTT 👍🍺

jimthetim53

SFTB

After 4 out of 6 SPFL matches – we have a clear leader with 12 points- Ayrshire Tim – all 4 exact scores predicted.

5 posters on joint second with 9 points- Hopeful hoops, McKenna_88, St. Tams, Bognorbhoy and last year’s champ, Call Me Gerry.

Room for improvement for two at the bottom- 18 yard man and Paddy’s Maw- the latter still has to make a prediction on the St. Mirren v Well game tomorrow

Final week 1 update tomorrow evening

SFTB

Still waiting on CosyCornerBhoy’s name appearing on the pool. If you need any more help – see post below or ask me about where you are getting stuck.

Auldheid

The Fenian Whaler
Typical, just as I am looking forward to the start of the new season P Lawwell’s favorite online Celtic fan blog predicts he is set to become our new chairman once Ian Bankier (the B is pronounced as a W) retires from verbally abusing, “criminally racist” anyone, as well as misleading the Celtic support. This means the Old Firm’s biggest fan and Nemesis of the Celtic support takes over the reins of control at Celtic again, albeit in a different role.
Oh, what a kick in the luv spuds that’ll be for the support. Will we do anything about it if it comes to pass? – Not a feckin’ chance. 😲😣😡🤢
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Why not? It has been done before and there is good reason to oppose the appointment as Phil covered in his latest.

https://sentinelcelts.com/2022/07/29/a-gifted-gamble/comment-page-2/#comment-226002

How could Celtic justify appointing a Chairman that would address future AGM’s when he lied to shareholders at 2019 AGM?

There is also the chance it is a divisive move by those hell bent on sowing division.

https://readceltic.com/2022/07/30/lawwell-for-chairman-it-all-looks-like-white-noise-to-me/

Give it time for awareness to grow and there is every chance it will not happen. The support will do something if given the same lead as last time when a dubious appointment was rumoured..

If that lead is not provided the groups who took the lead before might as well pack it in.

Auldheid

MIT

I’ve finished off the latest Denzil Meyrick book in a series that let me escape to the crime ridden nest of vipers that is Campbelltown and kept me there after lockdown and down loaded First Person Singular that you recommended.

It takes me a while to finish a book on account of falling asleep no matter how good the narrative as I read but I will get back to you when I have.

bada bing1

Ulya Kuriakin

Gordon64

Auldheid Reading Frankie Boyle’s new novel ‘Meantime’ set in Glasgow 2015 👍 Absolutely hilarious 😂

A thing of beauty

BB,
Ffs. I was away googling to see if he was a centre mid or a left sided cb. Gonnae No dae that 😂😂

Gordon64

Auldheid There’s absolutely no reason to believe PL will not be appointed as Bankiers replacement. DD has already expressed his utter contempt for Celtic supporters who protest against the board and would happily appoint PL just to piss us off HH 🤔

jimthetim53

BB & ATOB LOL 🙂

Gordon64

TBH It doesn’t really matter if its PL or some other Tory lapdog that replaces Bankier. Plus ca change !

Gordon64

Although it would be a novel approach to appoint a Celtic Chairman who actually supports the club 🤔

Leggy

Gordon64,

Brilliant big man 👏👏👏👏

Hope your well and need to meet up for a beer 🍺🍺🍺

HH 🍀🍀

Leggy

Jobo,

Welcome home to Celtic Park 🍀🍀🍀🍀

Enjoy tomorrow 💚

big packy

LEGGY, hope you are joking im going to aberdeen n the wee small hours ,have got a hotel booked now you tell me the game is at parkhead ,im distraught, another true story,

jimthetim53

Packy, LOL 🙂

jimthetim53

It’s bliddy FLAG DAY.

Gordon64@20.00

That would indeed be a refreshing change…a Celtic chairman who is actually a Tim. Personally, I would settle for one Celtic supporter on the PLC board. That would be a start, at least. I believe all the talk about PL, to be a kite-flying exercise by the board, to guage the reaction of the support to such an appointment. Have these swines learned nothing from the Bernard Higgins carry-on? Apparently not. I also struggle to understand, what the bloated membership of the PLC board, actually accomplish on a day to day basis. They exist for the following reasons:

1. To make as much money for themselves as possible.

2. To sit around pondering ways to piss-off the Celtic support.

and… that’s all folks.

I greatly enjoy the Waterford Whispers links, Gordon. They are always a right laugh.

BMCUW

Brilliant stuff today.

Hail Hail.

jimthetim53

Craig, heard Hesgoal are Kaput now!

Leggy

Ps,

Got into BelmontBrian’s team on the other channel,

Some illustrious names.

Cheers Brian

September beckons for a libation 💚

Take care and look after that Magua fella 😜😜

HH 🍀🍀🍀

Craig76

JTT53
I know they have stopped doing the EPL, thought the Scottish games were unaffected 🤔

jimthetim53

Hope so pal.

Craig76

Best wishes to the original Big Yogi…after all these years, a Bhoy still smarter than the average 🐻.

Leggy

Hope all is well with ye, ya rascal.

Hail Hail.

big packy

MAGUA a tim on the board, they are all a bunch of feckin freemasons ,another true story👍

Big Packy

Nail on the head. Imagine we had just one Tim Malloy on the board…it could start a trend.

Hail Hail.

Leggy

What chance have you got. ???

Leggy

Was thinking ,

What about a Sentinel Celts meet up, September this year 😜

Call it a Scoot !!!

Would love to see and meet up with fellow posters and new friends,

Any thoughts ????

Leggy

Sounds like a plan. 😀

Hail Hail.

Auldheid

Gordon64
Auldheid There’s absolutely no reason to believe PL will not be appointed as Bankiers replacement. DD has already expressed his utter contempt for Celtic supporters who protest against the board and would happily appoint PL just to piss us off HH 🤔
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As ever we will see but if it happens for the reasons you think, then it says as much about the failings of the support in allowing themselves to be despised with not a whimper as it does about DD.

The negative consequence will outweigh any benefits of such churlishness and DD would be derelict in his capacity as Director for enabling them to occur out of personal spitefulness.

Company Law applies to him as much as any director and I set out what they are in this SC blog of June 2021

https://sentinelcelts.com/2021/06/08/directors-responsibilities-and-remedies/

Craig76

Leggy
If you could make it a non weekday so that us non retired folks could attend 😀🤪🍺🥂🍻🏇🍹

Gordon64

Auldheid 👍 DD would be derelict in his capacity as Director for enabling them to occur out of personal spitefulness.
I tend to view DD more as a Dictator than a Director HH

A thing of beauty

Get well soon yogi. Far too young to have seen him play but anyone who was good enough to be part of the best celtic team was a player.

Gordon64

Craig 👍🍺🍀

Auldheid

Gordon64
Auldheid 👍 DD would be derelict in his capacity as Director for enabling them to occur out of personal spitefulness.
I tend to view DD more as a Dictator than a Director HH
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If he is then he is in breach of Company Law. What is missing is the capacity of the support to challenge him and he depends on that just as he depends on them ponying up regardless of his attitude.

Now if a challenge fund were set up as suggested to the CST a while ago, but twisted by them as something else we might get somewhere.

Gordon64

Auldheid Working people are becoming ever more disenfranchised whilst the elites are growing richer and more powerful. Its bread and circuses. I would happily see the whole lot come tumbling down and start again HH

Craig76

Sat in the back garden with a cold beer and the chiminia roaring away listening to it kick off in the main street, what a night 🤣

Gordon64

Auldheid The accepting attitude of people as we hurtle towards a neo fascist state is very scary and Celtic supporters are not excluded in that 😱

Auldheid

I met John Hughes in Wimbledon CSC on his book launch.

I encountered BMCUW there too btw.

Had chance to tell Yogi I was at his 1st game at CP in 1960 when he scored from a header v Third Lanark & follow up game at Cathkin when he ran over their CB to score a cracker.

Loved h im ever since – a Celtic great to my dad & I

16 Roads

Decent looking Requestabet for tomorrow – Celtic to score 3+goals, Celtic to take 8+corners & Aberdeen 3+booking points @ 7/1 with Skybet.

A lot depends on how Jim Goodwin sets the Sheep up.
If they attempt to attack Celtic – they will be like lambs to the slaughter.

We should be able to break them down, regardless.
Booking points for any opposition always a problem due to the MIB tolerance of the inevitable assaults on Celtic players.

Looking forward to it.

HH. 🍀🏆

Auldheid

Gordon 64

Auldheid The accepting attitude of people as we hurtle towards a neo fascist state is very scary and Celtic supporters are not excluded in that 😱

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Indeed but for evil to succeed good men do nothing. As a club founded on doing good we need to stand against the current direction of travel to hell in a hand cart.

Gordon64

I have a feint hope that our support will become even more politicised and forget the daft irrelevant songs about the bhuns. But who knows 🤔 Maybe when everyone gets their fuel bills in October they will realise that we are all getting absolutely shafted HH

jimthetim53

I’d settle for a director who could sing along to this wee song!

Gordon64

Craig76

Glen Daly – I belong to Glasgow (photo video) / Charlie Duran