3rd August – If you know your history
130 years ago… We are back in 1892, and On this Day (Wednesday) preparations are beginning for the start of a season, pivotal in the Annals of Celtic.
There is so much going on…. Reigning Scottish Champions … virtue of being the Scottish Cup Holders, in a period when that was the Premier trophy ( Dumbarton had won the league for 2nd time in succession).
Much Excitement growing within the club as Volunteer Workers are finalising tasks and scouring snagging lists prior to the opening of the new Stadium at Janefield Street. As it’s not quite ready, the team are effectively ‘homeless’, and hit the road to sharpen their skills.
At the start of 1892/93 season it was two ‘friendly’ ties in one day.
Has there been another time when Celts have played two teams in one day (Craig76/Magua)… fairly sure it did happen in the 1930’s in official league matches?
Not much information available on the trip to Dundee Harp, but the PTFC game is well documented ( probably because we got severely gubbed):
1892-08-06: Dundee Harp 2-5 Celtic, Friendly
Played at Dundee, and resulted in favour of Celtic by five goals to two.
1892-08-06: Partick Thistle 5-2 Celtic, Friendly
These were scratch elevens played on Inchview Park*, Whiteinch, a short ferry trip from McCaff’s old bit …but he’s away across at the East End, scouring his snagging list… scratching his heid…a neighbour refereeing?!
Played Before 2,000 spectators.
The Partick Thistle had their ground opened for the season by the Celtic, who journeyed thither to favour them with their presence. The sun shone brightly.
The Celtic kicked off against a stiff breeze. the game was evenly contested for some time. Having scored the first goal for the Thistle ten minutes after the start, Cunningham equalised with a good shot. Kyle added a second goal for the Celts.
Half-time result – Celtic, 2 goals; Partick Thistle, 1 goal.
The second half was mostly in favour of the Thistle, who, although playing against the wind, had the best of the game. Ingram equalised. Murray added a third point for the Thistle, and ere the close Bruce and Paul each added a goal to the total, while the Celtic failed to improve their position.
Final result – Partick Thistle, 5 goals; Celtic, 2 goals.
Teams
Partick Thistle:-
Marshall, Hutchison, Harper, Robertson, harvey, Smith, Murray, Bruce, Paul, Ingram, Kennedy.
Goals:- Cunningham og 10, Ingram, Murray, Bruce, Paul.
Celtic:- McArthur, Curran, J McLaughlin, Collins, Connor, Dolan Cunningham, Johnstone, McCann, Reilly, Kyle.
Goals:- Cunningham, Kyle.
Att:- 2,000.
Ref:- Mr Mirks, Linthouse FC.
*Inchview Park: Patrick Thistle’s stadium in 1892
In other news…
Dundee Harp have an interesting story and at one time the biggest team in Dundee with Arbroath as their serious ‘Tayside’ rivals. An excellent item by The Shamrock is really worth a look:
1909 – Dundee Hibernian’s inaugural match against Hibernian of Edinburgh
Now this…
Aye!
General stuff… (y’all):
August 3
1492 – Christopher Columbus left Palos, Spain with three ships. The voyage led him to what is now known as the Americas. He reached the Bahamas on October 12.
1750 – Christopher Dock completed the first book of teaching methods. It was titled “A Simple and Thoroughly Prepared School Management.”
1777 – During the Siege of Fort Stanwix the first U.S. flag was officially flown during battle.
1852 Harvard wins the first Boat Race between Yale and Harvard. The race is also known as the first ever American intercollegiate athletic event.
1880 – The American Canoe Association was formed at Lake George, New York.
1900 – Firestone Tire (sic) & Rubber Co. was founded.
James Hetfield by John McMurtrie.
1963 – Metallica’s James Hetfield (age 59 years), born Downey, California USA
Note: The excellent Celtic Wiki site is the font of all knowledge on things Celtic. Most of the Celtic stuffabove is from that site. The guys who set it up and painstakingly keep it updated, deserve no end of credit, praise and thanks. A treasure trove for Celtic fans young and old – and new- and free to view.
Respect Bhoys !
http://www.thecelticwiki.com/m/
Guest article by SeS
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SeS
Wonderful review of our clubs early ventures in association football.Not surprised by the heightened focus on the hoops losing to Partick Thistle albeit in 1892.
2 games in one day and todays pampered footballers complain of the hardship of playing on a Saturday and Wednesday for relative fortunes.
Thanks SeS for a great reminder of our clubs beginnings and historical facts through the years.
Much appreciated
Billy Bhoy from last night
Sorry mate, had gone to the land of zzzz and didn’t see your question until this morning.
I said at the time, we should have had a penalty. Doesn’t matter that the ball was out of reach, the Aberdeen defender was tackling Hatate and brought him down.
We constantly hear this nonsense from commentators that “he wasn’t getting to the ball” as if that makes a difference. Trust me, it doesn’t. Suppose the keeper cleared the ball, and while it was in our half, took a snidey punch at Hatate. That would also be a penalty, even though the ball was 60 yards away.
SeS
Smashing read again.
I’m not sure how you decide on the articles given the depth of choice available to you. I tend to scan through the Celtic Wiki ( thanks to you) when the missus is watching some garbage on tv which has no interest to me, and was doing so yesterday, and chose the John Hughes era for obvious reasons.
May I respectfully ask you that when doing next weeks article you have a look at August 10 1970. The Glasgow Cup final. There’s some great reading re that final, in particular concerning Cattenach, Sean Fallon and Alex McDonald. (Yes, the AMcD from the dark side)
Don’t wanna go into any more detail as it’ll spoil the read next week. I suspect a number of bhoys on here, either of a certain vintage, or simply like yourself with great knowledge of our history, will already know what I’m referencing. I’d never read or heard the story before though and as I say, great read and a good laugh too.
( Reading this post back pre posting it, comes across as a bit of a liberty trying to dictate the subject matter for next week, but not my intention bud)
Ty
SES
Another great read 👍
On one occasion in 1916, during their 62 match unbeaten run, Celtic had to play two matches on the same day against Raith Rovers and Motherwell, and won both 6–0 and 3–1 respectively.
(Courtesy of Wiki)
SeS
Good breakfast read, what must also be noted about playing twice in one day, that football is heavy leather. Try kicking or heading that thing for three hours😱
PB…that’d be like trying to get my wee guy up for school! 😂😂😂
SES…an education as usual! An interesting link to Linthouse, and the place of my youth. Mirks is a very unusual surname, never heard of it before. But in the era you write about Linthouse was inhabited by shipyard managers and supervisors. There were tenements for ordinary punters but a lot of villas and houses at the Langlands Road end of Linthouse, bordering Drumoyne were terraced sandsone villas, my sister lives in one in St Kenneth’s Drive and we were brought up in a villa conversion on Drive Road. I’m assuming Mr Mirks would be a professional or suchlike from the yards! Very interesting.
Regarding our family home, we had moved up from a Govan tenement during the time of the slum clearances and Compulsory Purchase Orders. Our neighbours were an old couple, although probably only in their 50s at the time, Mr and Mrs Smith. Mr Smith was a Govan Burgh Councillor and was a tweed suit, waistcoat and tie no matter the circumstances kind of guy, with a military moustache. He was always extremely formal. Mrs Smith was a wee woman with grey permed hair who always had a full apron over her dress. We had a habit, of course, of booting the ba’ over the wa’ into their garden, you had to chap their door and politely ask Mrs Smith if you could go in and collect it. She would send you round the side entrance, never ever let you in the house. The house they lived in was a semi villa attached to our quarter villa, our house apparently was split round about 1905 but was still a large 5 apartment house, theirs must have been a 9 or 10 apartment house, fecking huge! It was a real throwback to different times, they had polished floors and banisters, no kids and the house was immaculate. Thinking back they must have shit themselves when my mum and dad and the four weans moved in, an absolute rabble. A 33 foot hall allowed my bro and me to play long kicks the length of it! Old Mrs Smith must have been demented with us at times!
Magic SES, just magic!
Good morning, friends and, as always, thanks for the article SES.
Still smiling about last nights result. Some performance to come back from 0-1 and then 1-2 to finally win 3-2 away to Broomhill. The early signs for EKFC are positive.
Oh and Triggers Broom FC escaped with a 2 nil loss. Tie not over yet, unfortunately.
Excellent as always SeS.
Does anyone know, in relation to the area just now where exactly Inchview Park is.
Can’t quite work it out from picture.
St Tam’s…I think it was maybe where the tunnel road runs now, alongside Viccy Park – can’t be sure but it would probably fit in with the fact that Whiteinch Primary school and Victoria Park are in close proximity. The Victorians had a strong belief in both education and leisure time.
Tremendous read yet again SeS 👏
HH
St Tam’s…if you did yer Chookie Embru you can work out exactly from the coordinates!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inchview
SALTIRES
Writing an article is no easy task,and you know that we all look forward to your weekly delve into all our yesterdays. As you have kinds hamstrung yourself with your chosen format,it must be really difficult to do a weekly article revolving around Celtic in the summer months!
Cap doffed for your efforts in keeping us entertained during these long weeks without football,old bean.
Trying to maintain the freshness of a football site during a fallow summer is very difficult,but it was worse for footballers themselves in the past. They saw their wages cut during the close season! And by quite a bit too. I was doing a bit of research on this recently,looking in particular for a certain anecdote about Tommy Docherty.
Doc is better known,perhaps,as a manager than as a player. But what a player he was! 25 caps,in the days of us only really playing Home Internationals? That’s a regular starter for nearly a decade. But he couldn’t get anywhere close to wage parity with his team’s star player. Tom Finney wasn’t only the top paid player at Preston,he was the top paid player in England.
Probably the best player in the country too,I should add.
Tommy made a wage demand to the board. Wage parity with Tom Finney. During the close season,at least.
But Tom’s a much better player than you,it was explained.
No’ during the close season,he isnae!
He didn’t quite get that parity,but he got his increase. And all the while,as a top player and leading manager,he credited one man for guiding him. One whose time with us is largely overlooked,and might have been shabbily treated by our players at the time too. Yet one whose place in history is assured by his achievements overseas.
I didn’t find the anecdote I was looking for-but I found this.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2003/nov/22/sport.comment2
BMCUW
Did Jock not take in that England Hungary game?
This guy’s doing the ht entertainment at the next hun game.
Year’s from now SES will have a date on an article to remind us
Surprised only ATOB responded to this yesterday
As way of explanation his parents run the chinese take away in Whitburn. He however was born in East Whitburn.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IvrpuaM8gh7Ne1-f17XMZu03U-x8o2TN/view?usp=drivesdk
CFC
At the back of my mind,I think Bob Kelly took the whole Celtic squad down to that match. The common denominator of Jimmy Hogan maybe explains that.
AWENAW
Fuxake…
He must be a star turn in the restaurant at chopping onions!
In 1966,England won an international trophy. This week,they repeated that feat. Congratulations.
In 1966,Union St Gilloise scored in a European match. This week,they did it twice.
Spooky.
But is it a Progres moment,or a Gibraltar Imps moment? Tune in next week for the next instalment.
McCaff
👍
AWENAW,
This guy is an absolute genius 😜😜😜
Afternoon all,
Stop laughing at the back about result last night 😂😂😂
Still think the tie is in the balance, but come on yee Stella Bhoys 🙏
The most important game is our next game against Ross County. Let’s keep it focused Celtic.
We never Stop 💚💚💚
Small world Reference to Mr Minks and Linthouse sparked an old memory from my childhood. My aunt & uncle Mr and Mrs Smith were in residence in that very area. I’ve just dug out a letter I received from my dear aunt . It read
“ My dearest nephew Twisty how are you? Thank you for your letter and gift. It is a very thoughtful present. I’m so fond of sub Saharan African art, so thank you ever so much.
I was saddened to read of the troubles in your quaint little village which you inform us is being infiltrated by West End riff raff. If I may offer advice, I’d suggest you try to make contact with the head of the ‘ Annoni noo’ tribe to attempt some sort of agreement to forfend the little blighters entering your village. Do let me know how it transpires. It pains me to think of my angelic nephew being exposed to such people.
Alas we too are experiencing horrendous issues. Our previously peace and tranquil existence has been thrown into chaos with the arrival of new neighbours. A new family has moved in next door, and whilst the parents seem respectful, the same cannot be said of two of the four urchins that make up the family. Constantly kicking a ball into our garden. I thought they showed at least a modicum of respect by knocking on the door and asking to retrieve said ball, however, our gardener informed me that I shouldn’t be fooled by this and it’s better known as “ casing the joint”.
I’m led to believe they are part of a relocation programme which I think is referred to as ‘scum clearances’
Heaven knows what your uncle and I did to have this thrust upon us. I thought I may be misjudging them as I heard one of them say to his brother they’d go for a game of ‘long shooting’, a term not known to us but clearly it’s some sort of gun sport, perhaps the game referred to being grouse or pheasant?
I do fear for them. The rather pasty looking one who keeps knocking my door and looking enviously at my polished floors causes me particular concern. Whatever will become of him I do not know, but by his manner, I suspect he destined for a terrible career, perhaps floor laying or the like.
Do remember the lad in your prayers my darling Twisty.
Toodle pip
Aunty Smith.
BMCUW
Could well have been. Instructive for Jock’s rise to immortality.
Elsewhere, apparently the Huns started well and it took Union 20 mins to get into the game.
The Belgians definitely finished the stronger.
Take out Tavpen, and without the Colombian outball, they don’t have a great deal.
Hope the young Belgian team aren’t too naive and prepared for what the Huns will throw at them, on and off the pitch, next week.
The horses aff the day, aye? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hilarious Twists! Pissing myself in the car and getting some strange looks! 🤣🤣🤣
McCaff
Sitting in Costa awaiting my eye appointment time. Bored – as you’ll have gathered 😂
Did you have to dictate it to a barista? 😁
Tears 😂😂😂😂 shudders are still shakin’
How old is Aunty Smith noo? She could never take her eyes off me. I still get a Valentine’s card from her every year btw
Good luck with the hair weave and penis implants today. Brave man but 2 for 1 who can argue
TWISTY
About 15 years ago,I went down to the Airsprung Beds factory shop in Trowbridge to get a new mattress. Cheap as chips,and end of line stuff. Obviously,I was driving my works van-Trowbridge is about forty miles away,and I doubt I could get the mattress on a bus!
I’d chosen mine and was finalising the payment,while the woman beside me was trying to finalise hers. Including the delivery address in Frome,just drop it off in an hour or two please.
Erm,we deliver to Frome on Tuesdays,ma’am. Oh,but my daughter is back from university tonight and we have been doing her room up. It must be delivered today,where else will she sleep?
This went back and forth,until I suggested following her home in my van. I would deliver it-and if she thought I was likely to steal it,my van was liveried up with the name of my employer,and Airsprung had just taken my credit card details for my own purchase!
I’m not sure that she was entirely convinced,but she realised that she had little choice.
Well,ten miles later,I drove up a long drive,with people working in the gardens-and I don’t think it was her husband and sons! And I don’t think it was her husband either who answered the door,or gave me a hand to transfer the bed and mattress upstairs and assemble it all.
Blinkin’ flip,I’m in the landed gentry here!
A couple of minutes later,job done,and I’m just about to leave. Oh,you have been so kind,thank you. Please accept this-and offered me £30. Ah,problem.
My boss allows me to use the van to help people out-he even gave me a disclaimer letter to that effect because some idiot complained about it,but it was strictly on the condition that I did not use it for financial gain.
So I thanked her politely,with a brief explanation,and suggested she put it in a charity bottle please. But wow,some place. The income from the orchards there would probably have kept a dozen families in Swindon going.
AWENAW
“Good luck with the hair weave and penis implants today.”
I hope they don’t get them mixed up. TWISTY could probably cope with hair implants,but I shudder to think of the other option.
I actually had to get a penis reduction, it was very hard on me.
☺ Truly sorry!
Shocking stuff,even if times have moved on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Bus_Boycott
R I P Roy.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1554616672262262784 😯😂
Bobby, ok to join the army and kill people for us, but driving a bus on the streets of Bristol too much to contemplate.
Just wow!
BIGAUDIODYNAMITE
About 15 years ago,on a wee dayoooot in Bristol,I was talking to a fine gentleman of West Indian origin. He’s gone now,but we used to meet up for a drink whenever I went over.
He lived in Brislington,one of the suburbs beside the city. It was John who told me about the boycott.
Honestly,I was shocked. I am not naive,and I know that racism exists,still to this day. But to have it enforced by both the council and the union,I thought,still do,that was really disgraceful.
Bobby, when you consider Britain and her empire building, it makes it even more gut-wrenching.
One of my daily walks with the 🐶 is down at Longniddry beach. I sit on a bench and people watch before driving back to the Pans.
At this time of the year it’s mostly weggies from Seton Sands holiday park, never fails to amaze me how some get a carry oot on the beach. These guys a few hundred yards away via a pram 👍😂😂
BIGAUDIODYNAMITE
There’s a comment from the mayor in that article. He basically said that London will take blacks,but Bristol won’t.
That’s what Roy Hackett and my friend John were up against.
Enjoyed the article as always. Thanks SeS. Thought Twisty was brilliantly this am also. Really funny and quick!
BAD: I think the dying for us would be worse. And you can’t work in Bristol buses either unless you want to clean them. Enough to make you greet! Mind you, I was ‘attached’ to RAF Germany at that time and saw lower ranks treated just as shabbily. And not the ones on ‘jankers’ only. Was talking to an airman in the Met. Office there to collect forecast when the officer in control tower ‘squawked’ Tell Aircraftsman Robertson to hurry up as I’ve spilt my tea and I need him to wipe it up’! Unbelievable.
COSYCORNERBHOY
I was talking to a young lad in the pub at the weekend,whose grandparents originate in Buckie. Obviously that clicked a memory,but I just could not get the name.
Ah,George McKay,I ventured. Jee-zoh,forty years since I last saw him in Brig O’Don just before the match.
Awe Naw,
2 for 1 penis transplant 🤔😂
The mind boggles 😱
Why does “ ya couple ah fannies “ spring to mind 🤪
Twisty- brilliant 🤩
McCaff -“ Pissing myself in the car and getting some strange looks! “
Whit’s new🤔 thought folks would be used tae ye pissing yersel. Pasty Urchin 🤪
McCaff in his car 🚘
Velour seats. Very absorbent. Just let it go. 😱🤪
https://m.facebook.com/stillgamememe/videos/jack-and-victor-in-a-car-desperate-for-the-toilet/861875037209115/
‘CAROUSEL’ is on BBC2. Guess which Celtic anthem comes from it?
Ironic it’s on whilst we are mourning big Yogi.
YNWA
Jim The Tim 🍀
Here you go , pal.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=24R7GIS-glc
Enjoy the film 🎥 💚
Sol Kitts
Thanks for your reply to my query.
They should have had you on Premier Sports last night. Back to the studio after the game….
Kenny Miller ” now, I’m no’ gonny sit here and tell you that I know the current rule but THAT is a ridiculous penalty decision!
Me: WTF!!!
Alan Hutton concurred. BOTH to admitting that it was ridiculous and that he didn’t know the rules either.
As Dire Straits sang…Money For Nothing!!!! 🙄
The Real McCoy 👍
Awe Naw
Everything went to plan with my tests and fitting. I’ve been advised to try it all out over a few weeks and report back with my opinion 😉
Bobby
I appreciate you weren’t allowed to take cash but was there any clause prohibiting payment ‘ in kind’? I’m sure there’s something you could’ve been given in return for your kindness? 😉 😉
McCaff glad to have brought a wee smile to you as you go about yer day. I see it as a small recompense to you for all the smiles you bring to the blog with your razor wit and repartee. ( music taste is questionable but I was admittedly spoiled being brought up in the Leo era)
Wonder how many years before the SFA introduce this
https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1554837365847257088?s=20&t=Vt-ACtCoX9wiX5XgrIiHcw
Bobby, CCB
Never thought I’d ever be surprised by how Britain treated people, given their track record, but I was wrong!
As with most things the government do though, there is always another agenda going on, and it mostly involves setting one group against another.
They have been using these tactics for a very long time now.