3rd August – If you know your history

130 years ago… We are back in 1892, and On this Day (Wednesday) preparations are beginning for the start of a season, pivotal in the Annals of Celtic.

There is so much going on…. Reigning Scottish Champions … virtue of being the Scottish Cup Holders, in a period when that was the Premier trophy ( Dumbarton had won the league for 2nd time in succession).

Much Excitement growing within the club as Volunteer Workers are finalising tasks and scouring snagging lists prior to the opening of the new Stadium at Janefield Street. As it’s not quite ready, the team are effectively ‘homeless’, and hit the road to sharpen their skills.

At the start of 1892/93 season it was two ‘friendly’ ties in one day.

Has there been another time when Celts have played two teams in one day (Craig76/Magua)… fairly sure it did happen in the 1930’s in official league matches?

Not much information available on the trip to Dundee Harp, but the PTFC game is well documented ( probably because we got severely gubbed):

1892-08-06: Dundee Harp 2-5 Celtic, Friendly

Played at Dundee, and resulted in favour of Celtic by five goals to two.

1892-08-06: Partick Thistle 5-2 Celtic, Friendly

These were scratch elevens played on Inchview Park*, Whiteinch, a short ferry trip from McCaff’s old bit …but he’s away across at the East End, scouring his snagging list… scratching his heid…a neighbour refereeing?!

Played Before 2,000 spectators.

The Partick Thistle had their ground opened for the season by the Celtic, who journeyed thither to favour them with their presence. The sun shone brightly.
The Celtic kicked off against a stiff breeze. the game was evenly contested for some time. Having scored the first goal for the Thistle ten minutes after the start, Cunningham equalised with a good shot. Kyle added a second goal for the Celts.
Half-time result – Celtic, 2 goals; Partick Thistle, 1 goal.
The second half was mostly in favour of the Thistle, who, although playing against the wind, had the best of the game. Ingram equalised. Murray added a third point for the Thistle, and ere the close Bruce and Paul each added a goal to the total, while the Celtic failed to improve their position.
Final result – Partick Thistle, 5 goals; Celtic, 2 goals.

Teams

Partick Thistle:-
Marshall, Hutchison, Harper, Robertson, harvey, Smith, Murray, Bruce, Paul, Ingram, Kennedy.

Goals:- Cunningham og 10, Ingram, Murray, Bruce, Paul.

Celtic:- McArthur, Curran, J McLaughlin, Collins, Connor, Dolan Cunningham, Johnstone, McCann, Reilly, Kyle.

Goals:- Cunningham, Kyle.

Att:- 2,000.

Ref:- Mr Mirks, Linthouse FC.

*Inchview Park: Patrick Thistle’s stadium in 1892

In other news…

Dundee Harp have an interesting story and at one time the biggest team in Dundee with Arbroath as their serious ‘Tayside’ rivals. An excellent item by The Shamrock is really worth a look:

1909 – Dundee Hibernian’s inaugural match against Hibernian of Edinburgh

Now this…

Aye!

General stuff… (y’all):

August 3

1492 – Christopher Columbus left Palos, Spain with three ships. The voyage led him to what is now known as the Americas. He reached the Bahamas on October 12.

1750 – Christopher Dock completed the first book of teaching methods. It was titled “A Simple and Thoroughly Prepared School Management.”

1777 – During the Siege of Fort Stanwix the first U.S. flag was officially flown during battle.

1852 Harvard wins the first Boat Race between Yale and Harvard. The race is also known as the first ever American intercollegiate athletic event.

1880 – The American Canoe Association was formed at Lake George, New York.

1900 – Firestone Tire (sic) & Rubber Co. was founded.

James Hetfield by John McMurtrie.

1963 – Metallica’s James Hetfield (age 59 years), born Downey, California USA

Note: The excellent Celtic Wiki site is the font of all knowledge on things Celtic. Most of the Celtic stuffabove is from that site. The guys who set it up and painstakingly keep it updated, deserve no end of credit, praise and thanks. A treasure trove for Celtic fans young and old – and new- and free to view.

Respect Bhoys !

http://www.thecelticwiki.com/m/

Guest article by SeS

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NanaMouskouri C.sc
August 3, 2022 7:51 pm

Twisty only jarring your horsey knowledge is far superior than anyone else on here. Now that is a backhanded compliment. I remember when I used to have a punt Paddy Power sent me a diary one New Year. I sat down and had a look at what I lost that year that diary cost me 3k lol stopped soon after that

SeS
August 3, 2022 7:59 pm

BAD

Ouch! Feel your pain on that buddy, but needs must.

tbh the prices generally still average £5-10 for normal EC games.

A wee correction: it was the EC Home Q/F defeat to AC Milan in March 69 (with no red colour & Jinky signed) can’t find a price but reckon it would sell for £20

See the Lisbon programme is offered on eBay between £150-190. Hasn’t moved much in 10 years.

NanaMouskouri C.sc
August 3, 2022 8:12 pm

SES/BAD I used to have some cracking programmes myself and regrettably sold some of them especially tour programmes which are hard to find now. How much is the pirate 70 cup final worth?

Bada Bing
August 3, 2022 8:16 pm

I think clubs have stopped doing PPV ,SPFL Games now….

Craig 76
August 3, 2022 8:24 pm
jimthetim53
August 3, 2022 8:26 pm

I always remember going to high school. It was a brand new school and there were only about a dozen of us boys went in the initial year from our primary school in the village. Because of this we all hung about together. At least for the first few months. Nobody bullied us. Not one of us. There were some tough young lads in our gang. I wasn’t but was I was protected. I hate to read about kids getting bullied.

SeS
August 3, 2022 8:29 pm

Nana

The ’70 Final was numbered ( 1-70) paid £20 about 15 years ago. Don’t see it on any selling sites.

TBH the guy did a great job considering it wasn’t from a professional printer ( I think)

Twisty
August 3, 2022 8:31 pm

Nana
Definitely a loss making hobby. I’ve always said that when the fun stops I’d stop too. I’ve said that long before it became a catchphrase for the betting sites.

The racing game is still rife with rigged races at the lower levels. You won’t get a rigged Derby, or 1000 Guineas, but you’ll still get a few fixed at the lower levels, your class 6 races and the like.

As recently as today I got a call, two calls actually, from an owner I’d messaged this morning to ask his horse’s chances today. He told me it won’t be winning, and he’d call me post race. It ran, lost.
Owner phoned me within 10 mins of race finishing. He was delighted with result. It’s coming out again very soon, but will lose again.
So there’s a plot in the offing which I’ll be hoping to cash in on, but for anyone who put a shilling on today, they’d have been better throwing their shilling down the drain.

The BHA have a designated department to address any suspicious activity. It’s pretty much a toothless tiger though.
You pull a trainer in to ask him to explain the reason for the sudden improvement and he’ll rhyme off any one of a dozen reasons. Application of blinkers, removal of blinkers, ground, draw, pace, didn’t eat up after last race, and it’s practically impossible to prove otherwise.
Betting patterns will spark some inquiry but very difficult to find concrete evidence.
A jockey once showed me a simple way to ‘pull’ a horse at the same time as he’s whipping it. Looks like he’s trying but you can spot the fake a mile off once you know what to look for.

I’ll tell you a story that should’ve put me off gambling for life. A prominent Scottish trainer told me himself. When he was first getting into training, a newcomer, he had a horse running at a Scottish track. He gave the jockey instructions in the parade ring pre race, and the jockey told him “ oh you won’t be winning tonight- x is winning this”
Honestly that’s true. The race was carved up in the changing room pre race.

I’m pretty sure that won’t happen now but it was rife before the advent of a hundred different camera angles and much enhanced communication channels.
There does obvious remain the rule which you’ll see broken every single day in life. A horse must be ridden to gain the best possible finish.

Aye right. Trainers still tell the jockey yet, “ if you’re beaten don’t give it a hard race”

2lb less next time instead of 2lb more.

A thing of beauty
August 3, 2022 8:42 pm

Some lovely stories on here today. You are all a good bunch. Well done to Eilish McColgan winning the 10k at the commonwealth games. Brilliant run. Wasn’t sure she had it in her. Delighted to be proved wrong.
BB,
It’s incredible we won’t have the game on the telly on Saturday. It’s a long long time since we’ve not seen Celtic live.

JimmynotPaul
August 3, 2022 8:50 pm

ATOB. 8.42.
Yes, very frustrating and as Bada said PPV from home club, no longer an option.
I used to love going to Dingwall, my favourite away ground, in top division.
Never seen any bother anytime I was there, well apart from over zealous plods, searching you and filming you, as you go in.
A long journey home, when you don’t win, though.😕😕

SeS
August 3, 2022 8:52 pm

Craig76
SES
Another great read 👍

On one occasion in 1916, during their 62 match unbeaten run, Celtic had to play two matches on the same day against Raith Rovers and Motherwell, and won both 6–0 and 3–1 respectively.
(Courtesy of Wiki)

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Cheers buddy – I knew one of you guys would remember.

’76?

1876?

both games played on your 40th Birthday …😁

Twisty
August 3, 2022 8:55 pm

Jim
There were over 1000 pupils in my secondary school when I was there. As the only Catholic school on the area prior to St Kent’s opening, it was the catchment area for all of West Lothian and from as far afield as queensferry, Linlithgow Bo’ness. Looking for your bus to take you home had you walking along rows of them.

Given I’d came from a primary which I think had 91 pupils in the entire school it was a huge change. Yet, like your own experience, I was part of a crowd who I guess would be seen as the “in crowd”. Never had a bad experience. Couple of battles I recall but nothing you don’t get outside of school.
I left and hadn’t a bad word to say about it. However many years later I met with people who were there at the same time as me, and related stories to me that shocked me. Bullying. I honestly never seen it but apparently it was fairly rife. I actually worked with one lad who told me he dreaded going into that school every day in life. He remembered me but I didn’t remember him. I said I hadn’t seen any of that behaviour and he said “ no, you hung around with the crowd, I’d no friends”

He said he used to head away at lunchtime to a quiet spot outside the school to eat his lunch to avoid being targeted.

Very sad.

Finally, only a month ago my late brothers son, my nephew got hauled into St Kent’s as his own son had thumped some guy who attempted to bully him. My nephew said the school handled it brilliantly, and indeed his son had been bullied and decided enough was enough. The incident in itself isn’t unusual I guess, but what shocked me was, he was telling me there is now full time police officers deployed in the school. I don’t know if that’s the case across all schools? Full time police? Crazy times. I’m not sure it’s a good thing but others may disagree.

NanaMouskouri C.sc
August 3, 2022 8:57 pm

SES I remember reading a article with David Sullivan the West Ham owner and porn mag baron about he got started in business. He said it was selling football programmes. What he would do was go around all the clubs and take all the programmes they didn’t sell and then he would sell them in bundles of 20 mixed programmes for £1 or £2. When he mentioned that I recalled that I had bought stuff of him myself although I never bought any of his future adult publications

Twisty
August 3, 2022 8:58 pm

ATOB
I’ve been watching out for your match review. Did I miss it or didn’t you do one for Sunday?

Awe Naw
August 3, 2022 9:06 pm

Just watched Dynamo Kiev V Strum Graz 1.0 two good teams. We got a big jump to make yet if we want to make inroads in first the CL and then the EL. This is why Ange was hardly a picture of happiness after the game.

A thing of beauty
August 3, 2022 9:09 pm

JNP,
I was in the highlands for a wee break last summer. There’s nothing for me up there and that includes Dingwall. I couldn’t imagine the trip back if we got beat.
Twisty,
Plenty of more knowledgeable people than me to do the match report. It is some thing I think we should pass around though and should be a regular feature.

JimmynotPaul
August 3, 2022 9:19 pm

ATOB.
The last time, I was up, I was with Hamilton Tim and a couple of others, so good company.
I thought we were going to get jailed. A couple of the young team in the row and seats in front of us, let off smoke bombs when we scored and then done a runner.
Of course, when the smoke clears, plod and the stewards are pointing up at us.😂😂
Those smoke bombs aren’t have a hassle, when they go off beside you.

Twisty
August 3, 2022 9:24 pm

ATOB
I think many posters do vg match reports. I like to read them all. I do particularly enjoy your own reports. I find you’re views generally reflect my own. I think you should add your thoughts after all the matches assuming you can find the time. I’m sure it would be appreciated by many posters and lurkers, not just me.

McCaff
August 3, 2022 9:27 pm

Twists et al…Twists, just re-read Aunty Smith’s letter for the fourth or fifth time, also let the missus read it – she said “Aw, that’s nice, isn’t it. She sounds sweet!” FFS!!
Re bullying; at St Gerard’s in Govan and living in Linthouse we had a bit of a walk home. Usually about 10 or 12 walked the route, including a couple of girls and my younger bro and a couple of his mates. We always walked the outside perimeter of Elder Park saying bye to various people on the way till there was just me and my bro to walk the last coupla hundred yards. For anyone who knows Govan at the Vogue cinema on Langlands Road the road curves dramatically. It was at this point every day we encountered a group of about 30 kids from Govan High who’d pin us against the fence, issue a few threats and a few slaps and punches, sometimes spot on you! There’s nothing you can do in the moment, nothing! You’re helpless, and worse I always felt I should be protecting my wee bro.
This went on for weeks. One of them was really scary, he was a year older than me and had a rep in Govan as a hardman, his da WAS a hardman that ran pubs. My bro was terrified every day and pleaded with me to go through the park rather than round it but I was so stubborn and determined I refused. We always walked through the park on the way to school but round it on the way home as there was a crowd of us.
Anyhoo, this particular morning as we were going to school, through the park, one of them was walking towards us – ” McCaff, I’m gonna do him!” “No, McCaff don’t touch him” “No McCaff,I’m gonna do him!” (My mum wasn’t really creative when she was naming us!) As he approached us, and we were on the same collision course, his head went down. As we passed each other I grabbed him by the throat and pinned him against the tree! “Are you Twisty?” I shouted angrily…sorry got waylaid there, different story! I grabbed him by the throat and pinned him against a tree, “I’m gonna do you!” He shat it! Denied he was involved, although he was a main instigator. I threatened him and told him if we ever got touched again I’d be getting him, no matter what! Believe it or not it never happened again, we still had to run the gauntlet every day but no one ever touched us…and the guy never walked through the park in the morning!! …a couple of weeks later Mum called me into the Drawing Room “McCaff #1, Mrs Smith came round today. Apparently, her nephew was bullied in the park a couple of weeks ago…”
To Be Continued….

CaltonTongues
August 3, 2022 9:28 pm

JimmynotPaul.

That wasn’t smoke bombs. That was HT opening his wallet.

😁😁

McCaff
August 3, 2022 9:29 pm

Sorry for the length of that last post but sometimes when I get started it’s hard to stop…scroll on, I won’t be bothered. I can easily amuse myself! 😁

jimthetim53
August 3, 2022 9:32 pm

Twisty I kept busy at school. I joined……..The School Band, The Camera Club, Volunteered in the Library at lunchtimes, The Stamp Collectors, The Verse Speaking Choir. But never played football!

You still speaking to me?

JimmynotPaul
August 3, 2022 9:32 pm

C.T. 9.28.
😂😂😂😱

McCaff
August 3, 2022 9:34 pm

Jim…I knew I knew you! You’re Horace from The Broons!! 🤣🤣🤣

BelmontBrian63
August 3, 2022 9:36 pm

Nite all.

MAGUA, just catching up on the past couple of days posts, cheers a chara. I’ll give you a bell ‘ra morra if that’s OK with your good self.

Brian

JimmynotPaul
August 3, 2022 9:41 pm

McCaff 9.34.
Lord Snooty and his wife, from The Beano lived beside you in Linthouse.
You would be Chips, from The Dandy, the one being bullied by Bully Beef. 😂

jimthetim53
August 3, 2022 9:45 pm

McCaff, LOL 🙂

Awe Naw
August 3, 2022 9:45 pm

The wife bullies me into submission every night. I suffer in silence well for about 10 minutes, or is it an hour ?

Awe Naw
August 3, 2022 9:49 pm

I´d love to see a big FO bully in The Hoops in the middle of the park. A Big Roy Aitken type

Twisty
August 3, 2022 9:53 pm

JNP
Sounds like he needed to be Billy Whizz, until he morphed into Bully Beef!

Jim
The camera club? What model were you using back then? Box brownie? 😁

McCaff – yer good lady sounds very similar to mine. I do wordle and octordle daily. I tend to swap my opening word around. When Ascot is on I’ll start with Ascot, when the open was on I’d use Drive or whatever. I said to her a few days ago :

Gimme a topical 5 letter word? She said Sunny. I said to her : apart from the fact I don’t like double letters to begin with, why is Sunny topical? ( It was pissing down).

She said “ well, the Bahamas and places like that? Topical climate?

I said “ that’s tropical ya bloody eejit”

Oh yeah. Ffs 😂

Not kidding btw.

McCaff
August 3, 2022 9:55 pm

JNP…Chips always got the upper hand – poor Bully Beef always came off worse in the end. Well played to Chips for having the ingenuity to use the garage door so effectively, although The Parky seems to be overreacting slightly. And Chips hanging about Beefy’s bathroom windae is a worry!! 🤣🤣🤣
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/britishcomics/images/3/36/Animate_7_053.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100929145049

Twisty
August 3, 2022 9:55 pm

JNP
Ya beat me to Bully Beef!!

Awe Naw
Absolutely agree. We miss a midfielder to put the Huns’ kid on hard men in their place.

On that subject – hard midfielder – SES will touch on thst in next weeks article I’m sure!

JimmynotPaul
August 3, 2022 9:59 pm

McCaff.and Twisty, 9.53 9.55.
Brilliant, I’m laughing here and my wife is asking what I’m laughing at
Bully Beef and Chips, I said, I just got that look, again!!!!.
Night all.

Jobo Baldie
August 3, 2022 10:07 pm

Bobby at 7.23 – the ole CQN Corner is still going strong. I headed for just outside the Pools Office next to the Superstore on Sunday around 3.40 and was delighted to see a number of familiar faces that I became acquainted with through both CQN and Sentinel Celts. With the shared attendance I now just refer to it as The Corner!
JNP at 7.39 – aye, I think I made that point towards the end of my first results post. Maybe if folk don’t get a stream, they’ll vote based on their interpretation of the radio commentary! I’ll be disappointed if my own Firestick Stream doesn’t work so fingers crossed for everyone.

NanaMouskouri C.sc
August 3, 2022 10:07 pm

The Broons were a bunch of Huns they ran the Glebe Road Loyal bus down to Ibrox every other week it was reeking out them

McCaff
August 3, 2022 10:14 pm

Aye Nana, you’re absolutely right! A stauncher-looking bunch you’re unlikely to come across – even doon Kilwinning way!! Poor Horace, though, a proper Tim in the midst of all that Hunnery…or is it Rees Mogg in his pre-Parliament days! Come on Jim, only you know the truth!
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/8d/c8/05/8dc805ea66bc833c59b210e061bb091e.jpg

NanaMouskouri C.sc
August 3, 2022 10:16 pm

Hen Broon with his fecking bowler hat says it all I rest my case

McCaff
August 3, 2022 10:17 pm

Maggie was a bit of alright in her day but oor Daphne had a face like a bag o’ monkey nuts!! 😂
https://alchetron.com/cdn/the-broons-94d77d95-cbb3-4493-bb31-cd0c33d7934-resize-750.jpeg

Twisty
August 3, 2022 10:18 pm

Nana
I was an expert on both the Broons and Oor Wullie. The books alternated every Xmas and we’d every edition. Remember there used to be a header above each story?

It’d say

PC Murdoch is not too pleased…..

I’d be able to tell you exactly what the story was from the headline

I’d a pal who had gone a step further

He told me as we headed to school one morning he’d counted up every penny Wullie had made in the annual! He’d tallied it all up! Dedication 😁

If only we’d applied for Mastermind!

NanaMouskouri C.sc
August 3, 2022 10:18 pm

McCaff that will be you in your kilt at the funeral/wedding combo tomorrow

Twisty
August 3, 2022 10:19 pm

McCaff

Bag o monkey nuts 😂😂😂

McCaff
August 3, 2022 10:19 pm

Maw Broon had the same levels of creativity when she was naming her weans…the Twins, The Bairn, Hen!! 😂😂😂

NanaMouskouri C.sc
August 3, 2022 10:22 pm

Daphne has a fair set of lungs on her

McCaff
August 3, 2022 10:23 pm

Nana…check the length of Hen’s sporran!
SentencesYouNeverThoughtYou’dWrite CSC! 😂😂😂

NanaMouskouri C.sc
August 3, 2022 10:24 pm

Lol

NanaMouskouri C.sc
August 3, 2022 10:29 pm

That Joe Broon looks awfully handsy as well

Billy Bhoy
August 3, 2022 10:33 pm

I’ve just switched on the TV. Wow – when did Danny Boy become the National Anthem for Northern Ireland????

Jings, Crivvens and help ma boab said – either Oor Wullie or the wee Broon bairn!

NanaMouskouri C.sc
August 3, 2022 10:35 pm

I was actually reading a article about the comics in the paper a couple of weeks ago. It was saying they are all pc now. They have put Desperate Dan on a diet he is not allowed to eat cow pie anymore I think he might even be vegetarian he is also not allowed to have spurs on his boots. The Bash St KIds are not allowed to fight etc things like that

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
August 3, 2022 11:01 pm

You lot have had me in stitches today. Well done. Off to Cambridge via the multitude of roundabouts in Milton Keynes.