Winds of change blowing?

If it’s true the new Financial Sustainability Regulations are being heavily introduced then that’s a milestone.
It should lead to sensibility across the league, and everyone can get on with things.
Well almost everyone, I’ve already read an article saying not handing GVB funds is criminal or indefensible or words to that effect.

 

We look set for a period of dominance and potentially solid 100m income for a long stretch.
Those that believe the club never gets too far ahead and don’t spend from strength have a point, and history shows this,
But the board saw what playing it safe and conservative led to, top tiers closed and lower European competitions.

 

The smart businessperson should realize there’s more money to be made in becoming strong and staying strong, ahead of the pack domestically, to get the big bucks from the CL year after year.
I think the club have cottoned onto what we all cottoned onto.
Europe brings more money and a more satisfied customer base, who then reciprocate with their hard earned.
It’s a winning formula.

 

Should the board pause or halt progress to allow a competitive league or some other BS then it’s on the support to pull funds and pull them up.
They pulled the funds before hence 30k STs and closed stands under Ronnie.
It can’t be said the support will just show up and pay up no matter what’s being served up and that’s important.

 

 

Whether the Ibrox mob know it or not, the Celtic board have apparently saved the Old Firm (that club loves soo much it’s the only one that advertises it while our suits demanded it wasn’t used for the down under clash taking into account supporters feelings) by pushing for financial sanity or else you’ve lost your European place to Hearts, which is going down like a lead balloon over there because it’s now a battle with the Jambo’s for second on the cards rather than a battle for the title with the Bhoys.
This move in theory makes the league less competitive as we should clean up titles full stop, but it may just boost the league if the Cups are pretty open as our first team are Euro jaded, and a number of teams could battle for second and third spot.


 

Maybe after one death the board thought enough and this legislation is their way of stopping a second.
I like to think the fact that some supporters were pushing and had them bang to rights, like the Resolutioners, helped them form the decision to effectively neuter their rivals and go for league and Euro glory.
It’s a cake and eat it scenario, the support and players can’t get enough of the big Champions league nights which are season highlights, and they beat the blues.


 

All that’s left is to make amends with the support and there’s positive signs on that front. The board now communicates, I’ll give them that. Fan forums, man on man, Zoom calls, private interviews,,,and not only that not one response has been labeled bullshit. They haven’t broken their word since Dom was appointed, and now crucial legislation pushed by the club.
Add a very strong, very young squad into the mix and I feel like things have changed, its like a page has been turned in the boardroom.


 

One aside, the Monarchy banner and potential consequences. I think under Peter the club would have already issued a statement hitting the support.
I’m very curious to read the wording of our statement if/when it happens, stand closure is one rumour.
Because this one is different, it’s not your usual political statement. The monarchy being the target isn’t political, and given the current crunch on the ground, saying ‘that was wrong’ will go down like a lead balloon. This one has piqued my interest.


 

Is FSR just a breeze or rather a wind of change in Scottish football?
We shall soon find out.


 

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UEFA don’t like the word F&%K. That’s where the justification for the fine will come from, por cierto

16 roads

Ambiguous.

The swear word being the issue.

It matters little in the grand scheme of things.

Celtic supporters displaying a banner, is the least of UEFA worries – the entire European Union is on the verge of collapse ,as we speak.

This is a beautiful time to be alive, embrace the moment & BE NOT AFRAID!

Psalms 46:10

KTF. 🙂🍀

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16 ROADS

Keep the political stuff for elsewhere,please.

PORCIERTO

I respectively suggest we use the word Fork. That’ll mess with everyone’s heads.

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TWISTY

Can I pick a non-runner for next week in advance,please?

CFC

The banner stated “f*ck the crown”. For crown read monarchy.
It’s a political statement.
The British Monarchy is known as a constitutional monarchy. This means that, while The Sovereign is Head of State, the ability to make and pass legislation resides with an elected Parliament.

The one about M Fagan was just crass and classless.

Bigrailroadblues

Good morning all from Govanhill.

JimmynotPaul

Por Cierto and 16 Roads are correct.
It’s the f word that is the issue.
The Green Brigade know this and tried to be clever with a previous banner, that said FCUK EUFA, Celtic were still fined.

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CFC

While I agree with your point about Michael Fagan,one of the large circulation tabloids-pretty sure it was The Daily Mail!-carried an interview with him about the incident just after the queen’s death.

JimmynotPaul

McCaff.
If you read back, in between betting big priced winners and partying.
Here’s last night’s show, from George.
https://t.co/fGIcpAavvk

CFC

On the other aspects raised by Mahe.
The Rangers structural benefit of 40,000 season ticket holders should see them survive comfortably in second, for a while.
This is currently more than double their nearest rivals but, of course, a sustained period of second places and their fabled disingenuous “55” being overtaken may well see their top tiers redundant.

The duopoly should turn into a monopoly, as a well policed FSR restricts the current laissez faire operations at Ibrox.

JimmynotPaul

Here’s the show, to save you, looking it up.
Some fab tunrs , last night.
The Band and Mavis Staples, being a particular fav of mine.

🎧 @gfpaterson’s Lost In Music Show.

https://t.co/vIb1bLJKsH https://t.co/hIOogetApv

Jobo Baldie

Good morning, friends.
Just 1/5 more sleep(s) depending on whether international football floats your boat. And with Hearts facing Sevco before we entertain Motherwell it could be a happy Saturday with the points table then reading
Celtic 21
Hearts 16
Sevco 16
St Mirren 15
Which would be nice.

SeS

Mahe

Agree the introduction of FSR could sort out some of the crazy spending that ruins fitba for the majority.

A loooongggg, long way to go tho’ as time and again we’ve seen these initiatives/rules/regulations trampled underfoot. Loop holes ( built in, or otherwise)

Rules? … what rules? …we didn’t know guv…let us off…

Or, we will pull the lot of ye down with us.

Will need to see some more evidence, over a much longer period of time, that change is really happening. Any perceived turn in direction at Paradise that won’t quickly reverse, as it’s always done.

Always, always we have seen these peaks ‘n’ troughs.

Look at any 3 Season cycle. We are in 2nd Season now …Money taps ON ..followed by Money taps OFF

The same shareholders and the same people still … STILL… on the payroll!!!

Same leaders … same, same.

We surely require, or allow ourselves, a longer timeline to make any judgement that meaningful change has happened.

They are ALL In the building!

SeS

Auldheid

Mahe

You have reminded me of a subject aired on SC from time to time with lable ” Moral hazard”

The new FSR that limits player spend to a %:of football income addresses that very issue.

Given it will take 3 years to reach 70% limit I thought it might not have an immediate impact , forgetting that the standard of player that can make a difference now is looking for a 3 to 4 year contract.

Filling yer boots with that quality is going to make it much more difficult to meet the 70% limit 3 years from now so is already a brake. It is for us too but with bigger stadium capacity and further market growth less of a constraint.

In respect of keeping a Rangers in Scottish football it should mean a weaker Rangers that reduces risks of not qualifying for CL regularly.

Scottish football has survived years of dominance by us or them and as St Mirren showed nothing can be taken for granted.

Lessons have obviously been learned since 2013 and hopefully a new era of trust will let Glasgow Celtic flourish.

Frodshambhoy

https://videocelts.com/2022/09/blogs/latest-news/celtic-midfielder-is-battling-the-fear-of-world-cup-rejection/

I think Hatate is a terrific player. What does that tell us about Japanese football.
If it’s true Ange should be checking out whoever is keeping him out.

Auldheid

SES

The thinking is not the same same same.

That is what matters.

Life is a series of opportunities to change our thinking.and it is the consequences of our thinking that drive change if the fruits of it are bitter.

There is not as much bitterness around partly as result of putting football and not the balance sheet first and as a result of attempts at achieving a better relationship between The Board and the support.

Hopefully the latter comes out at the Fans Forum especially if opportunity to chat one to one with CEO or Comp Sec arises.

jimthetim53

I appreciate what you are saying Auldheid but I would still like to see some new faces in the boardroom. And I especially do not want to see PL taking over from Bankier!

CFC

PL replacing the mute Bankier would have such negative repercussions that it would only be by design to create internecine strife.

Now who would do such a thing?

Auldheid

jimthetim53
I appreciate what you are saying Auldheid but I would still like to see some new faces in the boardroom. And I especially do not want to see PL taking over from Bankier!
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I think regular churn at Board Level is healthy and the optics of Peter Lawwell taking over from Bankier are just too bad to be contemplated.

Done properly the question should be what kind of person do we want to Chair Celtic and so be its voice in an environment that is growing ever hostile?

That got my memory going back to an AGM in 2008 where John Reid made a stand against The Famine Song.

Obviously, JR is too old to take up that role but I think someone with those characteristics and experience that can be observed from his statement are needed now.

John Reid was not a popular Chair but he knew how to pick a fight and there is an excellent record of his history on Celtic Wiki at https://www.thecelticwiki.com/about-celtic/celtic-board/celtic-board-present/john-reid/#:~:text=In%20Sep%202007%2C%20John%20Reid,division%2C%20and%20political%20division%20behind that with benefit of hindsight is quite balanced.

Here is John Reid’s Statement at Celtic AGM 2008 iro Famine Song.

“Why did you decide to speak out about ‘The Famine Song’ and is it important that the club make sure that our supporters protect the integrity of Celtic’s name?

I spoke out about it because this is a pretty vile song and I don’t think that any reasonable person who has read the words of this song can see it as anything other than a pretty vicious, racist song. It combines racism and sectarianism and goes beyond a lot of other things that we have seen in the past. That’s one of the reasons why I spoke out and I also come from Irish and Scottish descent myself, so that’s the main reason.

But there is a bigger and wider reason as well and that is, the nature of this club. We are proud of the fact that we have Scottish origins and Irish heritage and we are never going to deny that. We will defend that and that is not a cause for shame, it’s a cause for recognition and celebration. Indeed our very name ‘Celtic’ is about the unity of the Scottish and Irish people. It stands against those who would divide, discriminate and oppose those two entities. And because we start from that basis of the unity of peoples then we have always been open and inclusive as a club.

That’s why traditionally we have never discriminated. That’s why our board, our shareholders, our footballers and our footballing heroes come from all sorts of different backgrounds, religions, ethnic groups and do so internationally. That’s why I said last year that whatever differences we have when we come into this club we leave them at the door because we believe truly, in a Scotland that is one bit of many cultures and is way beyond now being Scots and Irish. That is our stance, therefore we have to speak out when we see racism or sectarianism being practised and of course, if we are going to do that we have to practise what we preach.

We have to be careful, from our own point of view and that’s why I am absolutely delighted that our fans in recent years have had accolades from the world football authorities, from the European football authorities and let me say when I point out that there may be a minority who are transgressing our own rules, that they are our own rules. I don’t know any Celtic fans who have been chanting racist slogans or anything of that nature, so I am not comparing like with like here. But I am saying that we have got to be whiter than white and that we have to explain to and educate everybody at this club, including that tiny minority which at away games sometimes leaves us exposed to those who would attempt to say that we are all the same. We aren’t all the same, but we have to make sure that that is evident to everybody. That’s the nature of Celtic Football Club.”

jimthetim53

Can you imagine Peter Lawwell coming out with a statement like that?
No chance.

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Testing

St tams

I don’t see that the board have done anything to improve the relationship with the fans and I include the invisible and mute CEO in that statement.
The board got very lucky with Ange. But the running of the whole football department should not be left to the manager.
What happens when he leaves. We need a proper footballing structure in place and I don’t see any evidence that we have that yet.

SeS

Mahe & Bobby you gave email – forward and Cc please

CFC

St Tams

Fair point. With Ange, Manager, head coach and de facto D o F we are a hostage to fortune.

Auldheid

jimthetim53
Can you imagine Peter Lawwell coming out with a statement like that?
No chance.
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Exactly my point. If he is appointed, it would be hard to argue thinking has changed.

If he isn’t it will be equally hard to argue that thinking hasn’t’ changed but when has logic ever changed long held convictions?

We’ll see.

SeS

Auldheid 11:03

Yep – it might have changed.. will have a better view soon..

You have email (FYI)

HH

jimthetim53

Maybe Dermot’s son thinks differently. It wouldn’t be the fist time fathers and sons go in other directions!

Auldheid

SeS
Auldheid 11:03

Yep – it might have changed.. will have a better view soon..

You have email (FYI)

HH
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Brilliant. I’ve replied.

The Leopard’s Rimshot

As far as I’m aware the word ‘Fuck’ is NOT political so from where does UEFA think it has the right to censor language?

Lazio’s Nazi Ultras are allowed to run violent riot decade after decade yet the Green Brigade can’t put the word ‘Fuck’ on a banner?

It’s beyond ridiculous.

Oh, and for the record, there TWO crowns in Britain so UEFA should ask the lads which one they meant.

‘There are two operant Crowns in England, one being Queen Elizabeth II.

Although extremely wealthy, the Queen functions largely in a ceremonial capacity and serves to deflect attention away from the other Crown, who issues her marching orders through their control of the English Parliament.

This other Crown is comprised of a committee of 12 banks headed by the Bank of England (House of Rothschild).
They rule the world from the 677-acre, independent sovereign state known as The City of London, or simply ‘The City.’
The City is not a part of England, just as Washington D.C., is not a part of the USA.’

Nor is The Vatican part of Italy, the above being the only 3 truly sovereign states on Earth.

https://geopolitics.co/2014/12/23/the-top-of-the-pyramid/

Btw, this is NOT political, merely factual observations.

Auldheid

St tams
I don’t see that the board have done anything to improve the relationship with the fans and I include the invisible and mute CEO in that statement.
The board got very lucky with Ange. But the running of the whole football department should not be left to the manager.
What happens when he leaves. We need a proper footballing structure in place and I don’t see any evidence that we have that yet.
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The feedback from the next Fan’s Forum that I understand from conversations is that Celtic would like to improve further, might address your first point. There is a proposal for further improvement with them which would be a step in that direction if adopted.

I think there is a debate on what the correct football structure is. The change from transferring authority on football decisions from the CEO to the Manager is a step in the right direction based on results.

I’m not sure what part luck played in the decision to hire Ange. He couldn’t have arrived out of the blue on the back of a boomerang, but deciding to remove final decision from CEO to Football Manager for defining player needs must have been taken before his appointment.

Whilst Michael Nicholson was a surprise choice no way can I see him wanting to operate as his predecessor did. He is quite happy to do the contract negotiating part once the football decision has been taken within normal budgetary constraints.

Succession planning will be important, but Ange is setting the template for the type of skills, experience and personality needed when the boomerang whisks him away.

jimthetim53

There are calls for all the EPL clubs to pay the real Living Wage to all their employees, including catering & stewards etc. I should think so! I hope Celtic do?

The Leopard’s Rimshot

Shamefully,Jim, Sevco paid the Living Wage before Celtic did, with Peter Lawwell actually publicly speaking out AGAINST paying it and when they did finally relent it was because the Green Brigade dragged him to the table kicking and screaming against his will.

Absolutely disgraceful behaviour from both Lawwell & the board and yer anither reason why that toad should never be appointed Chairman when Rat Face goes.

Prestonpans bhoys

jimthetim53

They did eventually pay something like the living wage, if I recall correctly Bankier withdrew their discretionary yearly payment as a result😈

PS don’t know if he reinstated it the following year or scrapped it permanently

jimthetim53

Typical of that Board! An embarrassment to us.

jimthetim53

I bet the combined extra cost of paying the lowest paid workers a few bob more didn’t even come to a weeks wages for some of our highest paid employees.!

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JIMTHETIM53

Lawwell stated at the time that paying living wage would cost the club £500k pa. Mind,he also reckoned that the death of our rivals would cost us £10m pa.

I wonder why he gave up that accounting lark?

jimthetim53

£500k, pa – that’s the equivalent of a player on c£9 or 10k pw. Buttons.

Prestonpans bhoys

Good old Lawwell £500k pa😵. Lets do a fag packet calculation without tax complications etc. That’s £41,666 extra running costs per month, call the living wage an extra £1 per hour on a 37 hour week gives £148 per month, per full time employee.

Divide £41,666 by 148 gives you 281 fully employed individuals. Does Celtic have that number of fully employed on the previous low wage. Most will work a shift on match day, utter pish from him😕

big packy

dont know lawells son ,but if he is anything like peter id want him nowhere near parkhead, charlatan of the highest order,,another true story👍

jimthetim53

Packy, if he’s a chip off the old block – I agree!

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PRESTONPANSBHOY

Yip. But when he made both of those comments,there was no-one with the figures available to challenge him.

The £10m pa one was a bigger porkie,but it gave him some justification for his next move.

Keeping the huns alive.

16 roads

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16 ROADS

Keep the political stuff for elsewhere,please.

———————————-

No politics,no opinion .

Merely stating a fact & more importantly trying to put people’s minds at ease by asking them not to worry about anything.

It’s a beautiful time to be alive, irrespective of what’s happening with the EU.

I sincerely apologise if my post has been misunderstood, because politics was the last thing on my mind.

HOPE.

That’s all.

CFC

Sound bites were his ( PL) thing. His Rory Bremner quip was cheap.

He played the game. A man of his time who is well past his sell by date.

I think it’s uncharitable that the sins of the father should be visited on the children. Give the lad a chance.

16 roads

Was listening to Fred Again when I posted – thinking the music is incredible, which would go some way to explaining the positive mind set at the time.

Bigrailroadblues

Good evening all from the Victoria Bar. Any casualties from Coatbridge on the 16th?

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Horse at today’s meeting at Hamilton,running over 12 furlongs. Beaten by 100 lengths in its last two races,65 and 35.

Wins at 125/1.

I hope TWISTY wasn’t there,he’d be strangling the connections.

Good leader, Mahe. You might be interested in an article on Videocelts today, about the 5WA.

I noticed a couple of comments recently, on other channels, regarding the pressing need for the PLC to increase the capacity of Paradise to over 70,000, by renovating the Main Stand. After mulling the matter over in the ould noggin, I’d like to offer a few arguments against this happening.

1. Games at Parkhead, at its present capacity, very rarely sell out, so why the need for a greater capacity?

2. The cost of such a venture would be astronomical. Would supporters be happy, to return to the RD days under Peter Lawwell, when the finances to support rebuilding of the team were reigned in, resulting in lower crowds. Not that Big Peter’s hefty bonus was affected in any way. We couldn’t be having that now, could we?

3. What happens to season ticket holders in the Main Stand, during any proposed renovations? There is simply no room to re-locate these fine Celts elsewhere else in the ground.

4. Any funds available, should be spent upgrading the ground, as it is.

On the other side of the argument, a bigger capacity may result in more season tickets being sold. That’s if you believe that there are 10,000 souls on the waiting-list. I do not now, and never have, believed that figure. One big plus would be that it would allow more supporters to pick and choose which games they attend. After all, for many supporters in the current climate, a season ticket would be looked upon as an unaffordable luxury.

Hail Hail.

big packy

JIM ,just had a young guy, well young to me and you 56🤩 stopped doing drum tuition now im too old these young drummers are better than me🤩 anyhow this chap apparently played drums in the army 30 years ago he remembered the drum tutor saying mama papa mama papa to help play a drum roll, ok i said but we say mammy daddy mammy daddy, but at the end of the day its LLRR ,ok lest hear what you can do, FFS thought he was building a shed after 4 bars🤩 listen i said you need to get on your snare drum and practice 24/7, mammy daddy mammy daddy LLRR until that double stroke becomes one continual note,,BEST OF LUCK,.another true story🤩

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