Round three of six in The Champions League group stages beckons,an away tie against RB Leipzig. This is a rather interesting tie in many respects,but here’s one which might not have occurred to many of you. 

Most of Germany will be supporting Celtic,while most of Scotland will be supporting Leipzig! The explanation in both cases is in the name-Celtic are associated with Ireland,and all the baggage that attracts from much of the rest of Scotland,while Leipzig are almost universally reviled in Germany after being effectively bought over by Red Bull and subverting the hallowed 50+1 ownership model.

But to the game. Is it really only three weeks and two matches ago since we gave Shakhtar a lesson on their “home” turf,a match where we totally dominated away from home against a quality side who seriously counted themselves lucky to escape with a draw on the night? And that after some inspiring displays against Dundee Utd,Real Madrid and Rangers? Could any of us have foreseen the shocking collapse in our fluency,our link-up play,the final ball and the finishing? 

Or worse,our defending?

Yes,we can explain the latter by simple means of missing both our recognised centre half pairing. But no side of our stature should ever be undone so dramatically by the absence of two players. Different,of course,if we field an eleven of whom at least two are struggling at best,or worse than a man short at times. (Don’t take that as a reference simply to our two centre backs,by the way. There is plenty of blame to go round!)

But I’m the type who says we should save our post-mortems till later. And as it happens,that particular later is already in the past. I fully expect that Ange will have identified the problems in much the same way that we have,the difference being that he is in the position to do something about it. And he has the clout with the players,and the skill set to get the message across,that these two recent domestic blips will be treated by us,the fans,with a mere shrug of the shoulders a couple of weeks down the line.

I’ll be expecting a strong line-up tomorrow,and especially so since there is a possibility of CCV returning. I’ll be expecting a strong mentality too. Most of all,I’ll be expecting a strong performance of the type that says that The Bhoys Are Back!

We cannot afford to let our standards slip,either at home or abroad. We can’t afford the opposition in either sphere the merest hint of the scent of blood. Mañana might be a mindset in some countries,but there is no place for it in football. Even if the game does take place mañana!

Get the job done,Celtic. And get the show back on the road. Remind certain others of their place in the game-and ours!

Above article by BMCUWP

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October 4, 2022 11:52 am

Celtic are holding a meeting this Friday 7th October, and want representatives from groups of fans, including Sentinel Celts, to input ideas.

Mahe & Bobby should have that eMail invite today, and we have a very short timescale to respond ( no idea why it’s so short… a good question was asked from the floor… but the Executive response wasn’t clear enough .. to me)


It would be great to get a Sentinel into that meeting – please consider it folks and pop your name along to the guys before lunchtime Paradise Time on Wednesday :


Jobo Baldie
October 3, 2022 11:17 pm

What do you mean ‘Morning,all’? Or did you press the publish button to early, Bobby?
Better read the article now, but before I do if I may be so bold……
This Thursday I’m going with my brother to see Gilbert O’Sullivan (again) at The Pavilion in Glasgow. He now has a spare ticket (face value £29.50, row 4 of the Circle I think) after a pal of his has gone AWOL! If embdy fancies seeing one of Ireland’s greatest singer songwriter for just £25 o.n.o. please let me know at 😁”

October 3, 2022 11:19 pm

JOBO POTY competition…

October 3, 2022 11:21 pm


Correct. I meant to “schedule” it in admin,to go up later. Not the first time I’ve done that.

Jobo Baldie
October 3, 2022 11:25 pm

The game against Leipzig will be a real test, Bobby. No-one should be fooled by the fact that they are currently on zero points. Their loss in their first game against Shakhtar was a complete fluke and they should really be sitting on 3 points. I’m pretty sure they’ll have set the same target as Celtic – 4 points from the head to head to have a decent chance of finishing 2nd.
I fully expect Real Madrid to win both of their head to head games against Shakhtar meaning they will have 12 points and Shakhtar will remain on 4. If we are somehow able to get the 4 points I mentioned we’d be in 2nd place on 5 points with a home game against Shakhtar to come. Leipzig would be out of it with just 1 point. Therefore, another draw on Wednesday should be regarded as a very good result and hopefully it was because we gave a very good performance.
2 more sleeps. Starting now….

October 3, 2022 11:33 pm

Going to be tougher to get podiums on here.

October 3, 2022 11:33 pm

Folks a short update on Celtic Fans’ Forum #24 tonight:

There is more to follow – Mahe and Bobby will receive an email tomorrow from Celtic inviting one of our SC’s to attend a meeting this Friday, to consult/discuss on the forthcoming Celtic Census ( a collaboration with Strathclyde University Business School)

The timeline to engage is unbelievably tight, so I’m getting slightly ahead on this, by calling on one of our SC’s to offer to go ( I’d do it, but I’m in Dublin all weekend).


Sorry for the short notice folks, but I only found out about this planned event tonight.

Note: for tonight’s Forum we had sent in a question/proposal on Refereeing Standards in Scotland – hoping it would make the formal Agenda. Sadly, it didn’t make the Agenda ( despite giving 6 full days written notice).

THATS OK – was confident we can get it asked on AoB -time published on Agenda. However, the Chair ended the meeting without offering AoB.

Never fear !! Definitely next time!!

16 roads
October 3, 2022 11:49 pm

Good read Bobby M, plenty enough to ponder over.

Looking forward to Wednesday’s game with nervous anticipation.

Impossible to make a prediction, not just for the Celtic game but the entire competition because anything can happen as we’ve already seen so far.

There doesn’t seem to be any kind of consistency, pointless even looking at the form – the zombie club being the one notable exception,as they have been consistently pash!

Stating the obvious perhaps, but we simply cannot afford to make too many mistakes because Leipzig will punish any errors.

We are more than capable of getting a result in Deutschland, providing the team performs to the best of their ability.

I’ll be supporting Lpool tomorrow night for the first time ever, same as Ajax when they played the monkey club – lesser of two evils and all that there and all.

God bless the Celtic of Glasgow. 🍀

Call me Gerry
October 4, 2022 12:05 am

Repost, since Bobby jumped in early with his new article…lol
“Wow!”…having read Mahe’s “Talking Points” article…that was my initial reaction.

An apt title for the article, Mahe. I’ll give you that. But, like some have already said, there’s a lot to disagree with in your leading article.

Firstly, Mahe, you questioned Ange’s team selection. Barring perhaps Maeda’s inclusion ahead of Abada/Haksabanovic, most would agree that we started with arguably our best available eleven.

You questioned Juranovic’s inclusion in the starting XI; ditto Calmac’s inclusion; ditto Hatate’s inclusion.
3 of our better performing players according to those who voted them 1st, 2nd & 4th best in Jobo’s MOTM voting! Yet you question their selection?
I think it’s safe to say you are in a very small minority on this, imo.

You wanted to see numerous changes to the starting eleven. Didn’t you see our last match v St Mirren?

You say you “cringed at the midfielders selected to begin, we have watched that same trio labour before…”.
Really, Mahe? Did you really cringe at the selection of the same 3 midfielders that tore Sevco apart a few weeks ago? The same 3 that gave Real Madrid a helluva game a few days later. Did you really cringe at their selection, Mahe?
That line alone made me LOL.

All I’ll add is that I’m mighty glad that Ange is in charge of team selection, and not your good self…lol.

No offence intended Mahe, but you’re one crazy Bhoy at times…👍😁


Ps now to read Bobby’s premature leader, before I hit the sack for work in the morning. 😁

Mike in Toronto
October 4, 2022 12:06 am


Nice to see you on here. I was going to say it is like we are getting the band back together…. was going to make a Blues Brothers joke… but then thought about where I am posting, and thought wiser (a first time for everything)

Call me Gerry
October 4, 2022 12:20 am

Bobby – good leader, though I’m not sure I’d agree that we totally dominated our game against Shaktar. We played well, yes, and could’ve won. We finished the stronger side. But it was a game we could’ve lost also, imo. At HT I remember thinking the game was 50/50 at that stage. I felt the game was there to be won; but we could also lose it.

As far as Wednesday goes, a fit CCV’s inclusion would be a massive boost. Welsh is definitely our 4th choice CH. No team wants to play a CL match with their 4th choice CH starting (especially an away CL game). More so when his partner is arguably our 3rd choice (though Jenz is on a par with Starfelt imo).

If CCV isn’t fit, and Welsh starts, we MUST start the experienced Juranovic at his right hand side. I fear Ralston and Welsh on our RHS of defence would get tore apart.

To get anything from Wednesday, we will need a top TEAM performance. Anything less, and we’ll struggle, imo.


Anyway, bed beckons. Will catch up on my break at work tomorrow.

October 4, 2022 5:27 am

Sorry to read of the sad passing of Neustadt Braw, he was not only a wonderful upbeat contributor to CQN, his comments were very often well observed.

He did mention his illness a while back and a sombre prognosis but after an absence he bounced back and was his old self, that was great to see yet he knew what was to come and seemed to face it with great dignity.

R.I.P. Braw Celt, thoughts and prayers are with you and yours.


Yes, interesting contrast between the games up to Shakhtar and the games since, I’ll keep my counsel on that for now.

The opTIMist in me says that CCV will be there, there is a rule I believe that if a player can’t make their NT, that they can’t play the first game back for their Club.

It was just “a niggle” after all, think (hope) Ange’s playing this one cute.

We tend to say this a lot this time of the season but yes, this could really be a season defining game.

Hope we win it!!

Hail Hail

A thing of beauty
October 4, 2022 6:46 am

Call Me Gerry,
Two good posts. 👏👏
A warm welcome to the blog.
RIP Newstadt Braw. I always noticed his name of CQN.

October 4, 2022 7:07 am

RIP Neustadt Braw
I enjoyed his unique style of posting. It really was braw.

October 4, 2022 7:14 am

A draw tomorrow and it’s two points from three games. On the face of it not great, but a significant return allowing for the scheduling of games.
Giving us a fighting chance at second in the group, and real hope of progression via third place.
However, we are down to the bare bones in CD, and the squad limitations are clear.
I don’t believe we have the strength in depth others claim. I’d say we have a decent 16 man squad when all are fit.
Ange has a trusted starting 11 and 5/6 replacements. ( Abada/ Maeda, GG, DT, SH, AM). AR gets an honourable mention.

The rest barely get any game time and as a result contribute very little.

The spine of the team is the weakest – less resolute without CCV( another quality CH required, although MJ is a better performer with CCV alongside), imbalanced in midfield ( a creative mid short) and jaded up top ( a third striker required to provide competition.)
Last couple of games we have been ineffective and pedestrian.

Happy to be proved wrong, of course, but the team as a whole has to rediscover the zip n venom it had before the International break.


Agree with both your assessments, but whilst I certainly don’t cringe at our midfield performances, Mahe has a point- they are lacking fluidity and penetration just now- RH aside.
The timely intervention of a royal funeral had an impact I believe. We were flying after the 4-0, then had the weekend cancellation.
We also have suffered a sort of psychological hangover from SD game – 16 shots, 6 on target.
A game we should’ve, could’ve.
The reaction from the players said it all at the time- very restrained, almost apologetic response to the support.

Hopefully the CL anthem fires them up again.

16 roads
October 4, 2022 7:17 am

Call me Gerry @ 12:20 – Shakhtar controlled the game for a 15-20 minute spell in the first half – the other 70 + minutes belonged to Celtic.

We were desperately unlucky not to win that game,a repeat performance against Leipzig should be enough to get a result there.

I don’t think we can afford to lose this one though.

HH. 🍀

October 4, 2022 7:20 am

Jobo, I had tickets for Bon Iver in Manchester on 24 October. Due to changing flights to Tenerife several times as a result of my mum’s health problems I won’t be here on the night. I gave the tickets away to a mate. Yesterday I got an email from ticketmaster inviting me to sell them on. Don’t know if that is an option for your brother if you can’t find a taker on here.

big packy
October 4, 2022 7:57 am

MORNING ALL and JIM, used to love Neustadt Braws posts on cqn, RIP

October 4, 2022 8:54 am


Seems that Scottish referees learned about game management through observation of a Celtic Fans Forum. Avoid contentious issues,even if there is a written request to include it on the agenda. And then avoid Any Other Business by simple expedient of timing out the meeting. (No added time-sound familiar?)

The contentious issue in question is the one about the referees,and I consider it timely coming so soon after displays by Beaton and Robertson,but it seems that the club do not share our concerns on this matter.

More worryingly,I wonder how many other sites had disappointed representatives who also left with no attempt having been made to address their own particular issues?

I doubt we are alone on this one.

Por Cierto
October 4, 2022 9:19 am

Jobo Baldie
“This Thursday I’m going with my brother to see Gilbert O’Sullivan”
Me n the wife are going also.

We went to the Isle of Bute to be married and didn’t tell any of our families. On the morning of our wedding I put this Gilbert O’Sullivan video “Matrimony” on my Facebook page:

No one caught on, No wonder! :)) por cierto

Jobo Baldie
October 4, 2022 9:26 am

Good morning, friends from a very drookit and dreich EK!
Frodshambhoy – thanks for that advice. Maybe a bit too late in the day this time but something I’ll bear in mind.
Por Cierto – glad I’m not the only closet Gilbert fan on here. Hope you and Mrs Cierto enjoy the show.

October 4, 2022 9:49 am

Just going back to Saturday’s game, did anyone notice that Ange held off the substitutions at the hour mark.

Everything was ready to swap the bhoys around but we were having one of our best spells of the match – we were showing some real penetration, then the Jota corner and Reo thunderbolt and we were ahead.

As soon as the goal went in Ange gave Steve Woods the nod to get the subs on…

Reads the game well does our Ange…

Have A Grand Day Celts

Aff oot

Hail Hail

St tams
October 4, 2022 10:35 am

Subs should actually have been on long before that , as we were toiling.

October 4, 2022 11:15 am

I wonder if the huns away fans will get homesick tonight when they hear YNWA at Liverpool? 🙂

October 4, 2022 11:39 am

Fans’ Forum #24

Bobby 8:54

Absolutely see your points.. and analogy…agree managing time in a ‘public’ meeting… is an art.

To be fair, this was the 24th Fans’ Forum ( 6 years in this format). Maybe the subject of Referees has already been done to death. However, if so, where are the changes?

Our specific question on harmful impact of refereeing standards on the quality of our game, must have been on the Agenda in some form or other in the last 6 years? ( anyone?)

A quick scroll down the Topics Covered in 6 years does not show any specific reference to the subject.

There are currently no Sub Groups or ‘Open’ Action Points on the subject. The previous minutes #23 make no reference:

Can we reasonably conclude that any points raised on the subject in the Forum -in 23 previous meetings – have failed to gain enough traction to merit a working Group or Sub-Group?

The main positive takeaway. That folk interested in Celtic, are meeting together and having a structured and enduring dialogue. Changes are being made and it’s clear from the mood in the room that the Supporter’s Liaison Officer – John Paul Taylor and his team are doing great work behind the scenes sorting out individual issues for fans.

One valid comment made last night absolutely resonates:

‘This Forum is hardly representative of the wider fan base…’ (paraphrasing)

Looking around the 50 or so fans in the room brought a nod of agreement – just imagine a typical Hoot crowd… with a few exceptions.

Clearly the club recognise this ‘ we don’t really know how many are on blogs … is it 10% ?’ ( paraphrasing )

Which is why we should commend the club for their ‘Celtic Census’ initiative. In collaboration with the University of Strathclyde’s Business School, an online portal will open for 3 weeks during World Cup for All Celtic fans to give their personal input.

The results to be published in January 2023.

What questions will be asked?

Celtic are holding a meeting this Friday 7th October, and want representatives from groups of fans, including Sentinel Celts, to input ideas.

Mahe & Bobby should have that eMail invite today, and we have a very short timescale to respond ( no idea why it’s so short… a good question was asked from the floor… but the Executive response wasn’t clear enough .. to me)


It would be great to get a Sentinel into that meeting – please consider it folks and pop your name along to the guys before lunchtime Paradise Time on Wednesday :

When minutes from last nights’ meeting #24 are published, I’ll share the link here.

October 4, 2022 11:55 am


I’ve “pinned” the relevant part of your comment to the top of the page,so that anyone who wishes to attend will hopefully see it and get in touch.

October 4, 2022 12:04 pm

Bobby – good idea thanks

October 4, 2022 12:30 pm

🍀No Cameron Carter-Vickers at Celtic’s training session ahead of their #UCL clash away to RB Leipzig⬇️

October 4, 2022 12:38 pm


Not a good sign…

October 4, 2022 12:51 pm

StTams @ 10:35 am

Well yes, that’s undoubtedly a good point, there were a lot of tired legs out there but our subs aren’t having the impact they were having a month ago.

The players were ready to come on at the hour mark and Ange held off for five minutes, for me the goal was coming. The Manager, after the St Mirren defeat and getting pegged back by Motherwell could have stuck to the script, yet he trusted his instincts and it paid off.

Of course, as I intimated in my earlier comment this morning, Celtic are outside my comfort level at the moment – I’d like to see what happens in Leipzig to see if it’s a blip or is something fundamental going down.

Hail Hail

Call me Gerry
October 4, 2022 1:41 pm

ATOB @ 6:46
Cheers for the reply. Your post on the previous thread was one of the ones I agreed with, which I alluded to in my post. 👍

CFC @ 7:14
I would agree that we lack fluidity right now. Though, in reality, we are talking about our last 2 games, are we not?
Prior to that we looked great v Sevco, excellent for 45 mins v the European Champions, and came away from our CL away game v Shaktar having been the better team.
We looked terrible in our next game v StMirren, with a much changed starting line-up that excluded Hatate & O’Riley (please don’t rest both at the same time again, Ange).

By all accounts our midfield 3 of Calmac, Hatate & O’Riley were not great on Saturday (I only caught the highlights as I was working) though Hatate was arguably MOTM. One poor game in the last 4 that they’ve started together. It’s a bit harsh of Mahe to say he cringed at their selection on Saturday, imo.

After the poor display against StMirren in our previous match (with Mooy, Calmac & Turnbull starting in midfield) I think the overwhelming majority of fans were delighted to see Calmac, Hatate & O’Riley restored to the starting line up.

Perhaps were relying too much on Hatate & O’Riley to both be on top form? When they ARE on form, we look a great team. However, O’Riley may turn out to be a younger version of Rogic. ie blows hot & cold, formwise. Maybe we expect too much of our players. If they were as good as we would like – week after week – they wouldn’t be playing in the SPFL for long.

I agree that the cancellation of the Livi game might have killed our momentum somewhat.

16 Roads @ 7:17

I agree that Shaktar had a spell of 15-20 mins were they were the better team. I would disagree that Celtic were the better team for the other 70 mins. I think we had good spells were we were the better team. But there were spells were it was 50/50 imo. We were indeed unlucky not to win.
Hopefully, a similar or better performance tomorrow will see us take at least 1 pt.

Break over. Back to work now. Catch up reading later.


October 4, 2022 1:42 pm

RIP Neustadt Braw. You discovered a positive theme and played it well.


October 4, 2022 2:03 pm


Good leader. I think it was ATOB who pointed out, that in the last two games, the inverted FB system has been posted missing. We should get back to this system ASAP. If nothing else, this will keep the ba away from the defence for large parts of the game. At the moment, that would be a definite bonus. Our midfield performs better under this system, thereby supplying more ammunition for the forwards.

Hail Hail.

October 4, 2022 2:13 pm

Miniature Huns getting beat 3 nil by Miniature Scouser in youth league

October 4, 2022 2:25 pm

Craig 76
Ben Doak scored the 2nd

big packy
October 4, 2022 2:43 pm

just been into liverpool getting some dog food from the cash and carry, there are thoosans a them down by the albert dock singing if you hate the glasgow celtic clap your hands, plus a few other little ditties which i wont name🤩🤩

October 4, 2022 3:07 pm

Call me Gerry,
I did indeed cringe.
I want a proper defensive midfielder on the park at all times, there’s three in the squad and very rarely see any of them.
If we are just going to rotate Matt with DT occasionally, what was the point in buying the trio of defensive midfielders?
Reo-Calmac-Matt might have bested the blues but in Europe that’s not a winning formula.
I want it switched up, Mooy or Abildgaard first name on the team sheet please for more solidity.
I don’t want those three as our first choice midfield sorry.
Enjoy the rest of your day
Hail Hail

October 4, 2022 3:32 pm

4th October 1969 / Tweet Celtic

October 4, 2022 3:36 pm

C m G/ Mahe

Is the midfield conundrum the lack of proper depth?
Is DT good enough as a replacement? JMcC and Guchi would appear to be fringe players.

Should Calmac’s role be one where he is rotated with RH/Mo’R and either AM/OA ( who we’ve yet to see properly) play more?

The engine room needs subtlety, creativity and strength and we don’t seem to have that combination yet.

Perhaps another window or two are required.

October 4, 2022 3:45 pm

I actually forgot about Guchi. That’s four players who could be termed a defensive midfielder.
A lot of wages going nowhere if they aren’t of required quality or we won’t be playing with one.
We need to give each a run in the team.
Away to work, play nice everyone
Hail Hail

October 4, 2022 4:08 pm

Don’t think CCV trained today.

October 4, 2022 4:31 pm


IFB’s were in play versus both St. Mirren (less so) and Motherwell. Taylor played well in the role, linked up well and joined in with the attack when not feeding Jota. JJ is less accomplished in this preferring to bomb forward in a more traditional attacking full back role. Space at a premium even at home with teams flooding this area with bodies. What we are asking, in effect is a good defender who knows when to move into the middle, control and play in there, tackle in there if needed, link play to forwards and overlap to cross when the situation arises. If the opposition break, as on the halfway line on Saturday,(O’Reilly made a half arsed attempt at a tackle and a chance was on) just before the own goal from the parry from Hart, fans ask ‘where is… ?’
The progress of our full backs, especially Taylor, in this role is astonishing.

October 4, 2022 4:32 pm

Packy, were the wee dugs barking mad at the hun fans? 🙂

October 4, 2022 4:35 pm


Re Kenny Dalglish,

I’m sure I was at his first game for Celtic.

From memory, it was a League Cup game in 1968 against Hamilton Accies ( I stayed in Burnbank) and a local team.

I’m sure it was a 2 leg affair and Celtic won the first leg 10-0, I think possibly Lennox and Chalmers scored 5 each. !!!!!

Again not sure, but think Kenny was a second half sub against Accies at Douglas Park and they won 4-2.

Can’t be bothered googling and if above is crap, I apologise 🍀🍀


October 4, 2022 4:48 pm


I had never even heard of KD before the Frank Beattie testimonial,which was the first time I saw him play.

And a star is born!

October 4, 2022 4:51 pm

Loretta Lynn dead.

“She was only a coal-miner’s daughter” but…


Call me Gerry
October 4, 2022 4:53 pm

Mahe @ 3:07

Thank you for your reply.
We’ll need to agree to disagree on the cringeworthiness of playing Calmac-Hatate-O’Riley in midfield right now. 👍

All the best.


big packy
October 4, 2022 4:54 pm

JIM, they sure were,🤩

big packy
October 4, 2022 5:00 pm

JIM wee joan said to me who are you supporting tonight, the famous glesga rainjurs i replied, good scoattsh team will till you see the lion ramparnt flags and the st andrews flags, makes you proud to be scottish unlike you liverpudlians with your union jacks🤩🤩

October 4, 2022 5:05 pm

Packy, LOL 🙂

big packy
October 4, 2022 5:26 pm

JIM remember the last time they were down for a friendly against Everton? It was reported on BBC radio Merseyside that they had walked up to copperas hill where there is a convent and started shouting sectarian abuse at some of the young nuns, but the cowards would not go near Scotland Road which is a big catholic area, oh no they would rather shout sectarian abuse at the defenseless young nuns’ shower of orange bassas hope Liverpool put six past them tonight, another true story👍