The Late, Late show

Footballing wise it was a pleasant weekend. I thought our fixture would be a routine victory by a couple of goals, instead we were treated to a six goal thriller with extra late drama.
Then results elsewhere went our way allowing a seven point cushion with roughly two thirds of the season remaining.

 

Firstly Im happy the top two teams in the league were given genuine competition. No one should want the league to turn into a straight forward romp, it’s good for the players to have genuine obstacles to overcome, or not. The weekends football was a great example that any sort of performance is enough domestically, it’s a falsehood that we are only challenged in Europe.

 

Hence the need for late goals, lots of them. They happen too often to be luck, thats clear now. I like to think the overwhelming reason is our second wave of attackers, the fresh legs prove too much for mentally and physically tired opponents. Thus I hand credit to the manager who continually calls for those switches rather than simply putting total faith in the starting eleven to pull out the victory. He helps the team achieve these late goals that crush hope elsewhere. Like I say, they are no accident.

 

Why we need plenty of late goals is an altogether different question.
To these eyes there’s a multitude of reasons.
Top two are the referee and the physical battle. It’s not a level playing field when almost weekly opponents can leave the boot in, rough you up and disrupt your gameplan, and receive protection out on the park while doing it.

 

We are up against it before we even take the field, and unfortunately there’s a battle to be won, not just a game of football.
Ten men behind the ball clogging the penalty box up doesn’t help our cause, and of course the Tangerines weren’t facing the best team in Europe during the week to fully sap the energy.
Not having a settled midfield might be another reason there’s so many late, late shows.

 

Scoring lots of goals at the death isn’t neccessarily a bad thing. Time and time again Man United won the match in Fergie time, and the cry wasn’t we should have the points already wrapped up and shouldn’t need those late goals. The cry was Hoorah.
Becoming the match winning hero must be one sweet emotion, scoring a fantastic solo effort just before the whistle should leave young Abada on cloud nine with a bit more confidence in his own ability to finish raised a notch. He really needed to net, as Maeda was open for the tap-in to his left, it would have looked terrible to fluff that opportunity. Instead he made it look easy with the dink which always sends supporters into rapture, especially on Saturday.

 

There’s extenuating circumstances for the necessity of late goals, which can’t be fully laid at the managers door. The players themselves are scoring more than ever, 19 in our last five league games, and we are ten points better off than this time last season. Thats clear progress, delightful.

 

However, despite all the positives, a small undercurrent of uncertainty lingers. It’s my belief many can see the potential of the club right now, and every time the team doesn’t reach the next level the uncertainty builds. Our midfield was woeful at the weekend, perhaps unsurprising as they were newly assembled and Hatate never gets a break. Ange was consistently selecting a defensive midfielder and we had an uptick, the day he doesn’t the midfield looks disjointed and it almost cost points.
The defense wasn’t inspiring and quite a few would drop Jenz for Starfelt. Central defense is still in transition, a work in progress, and not the finished article.
The same might be said of the right back slot, JJ seems the top candidate to be moved on and replaced. I believe a substantial number of supporters would be happy at Seigrist between the sticks, age alone says there’s a chance this is Big Joe’s last hoorah as first choice, more transition.
Calmac, Kobayashi, even Abildgaard all need game time.
It seems like we are always in transition, going somewhere but where exactly is hard to tell right now.

 

There’s a feeling we could be on the cusp of something special under this manager, there’s a ten out of ten performance just around the corner where everything gels perfectly, but yet it eludes us for whatever reason.
We wish for the club to explode onto the European scene now there’s a clear route and we have some quality. It’s proving a bridge too far, even when we are relatively strong, which puts a dampener on those ambitions. And of course many don’t consider the league enough, there’s your conundrum.

 

When pressed on this Ange stated the answer is to keep building, every sale should allow a better standard of player to be recruited. Keep moving the bar higher and higher basically. Being ‘agile’ in the transfer market would help he stated.
That’s all fine and well but the fact remains we have a wage ceiling and English Championship clubs can offer a better pay packet plus a route to the biggest league in the world.
It’s clear everyone wants the club to move to the next level, but it’s a lot easier said than done and might need a new financial model, not something the board would entertain I imagine.
I suppose becoming traders so to speak could raise substantial funds to bankroll the move to the next level, but that’s just not us at the moment. It’s also risky, the bottom could fall out of the market, players themselves like being a free transfer so we get zilch for a star, Ange won’t always be around to spot a bargain and the PLC weren’t great purchasers when they held the biscuit tin.

 

Most clubs out there crave the next level, few ever achieve it without being bankrolled.
It might actually be the hardest thing in football without big funding,,, it takes luck and planning, spirit and strategy, and it never happens overnight but over the long term. There’s always a lot of bigger fish in the pond who don’t care about your plans. The refs themselves can help drive better players away, ala KT.
This collection might hit the next level, then again they might not, the uncertainty is part and parcel of the beautiful game.
Enjoy the ride is my advice.
And all these late, late shows.

 

By Mahe
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Mahe

*SENTINEL CELTS PLAYER OF THE YEAR 2022-23*
RESULTS FROM GAME #21 – CELTIC 4 DUNDEE UTD 2 (HAKSABANOVIC(2), KYOGO, ABADA)

Good evening, friends.
Firstly, whilst I sort of have your attention, can I say yet again that I wish I had time to personally reply to every email sent in. There are often some additional valid observations in the dozens of emails that come in and I do my best to respond to at least some of them. I do hope that my inability to respond to everyone doesn’t put you off from continuing to vote. I suppose more emails/votes and less replies is my continuing hope! Ramble over….
At 2-2 yesterday I immediately thought of our recent trip to Perth when St Johnstone equalised then we retook the lead a minute later. Today my thoughts also drifted to Perth as our weekend got even better. We. Never. Stop.
So, despite the ridiculous penalty award, the even more ridiculous booking, the lack of action for the dangerous foul on Big Gio we managed to win again and continue our quest for two in a row. Overall, not the best performance of the season but other than winning games by a barrowload, my own next favourite is a last minute winner to help me bounce all the way from the ground to the car.
thoughts to St Johnstone and today too!
A wee comment about Ange’s substitutions. Firstly, a wise decision to keep Bernabei off at half time given he was on a yellow card (but had performed very well). Then, for Kyogo to score the winner, Abada to seal the victory and Forrest to head off the bar – the substitutes certainly played their part. Even 88th minute Maeda was involved in the 4th goal but possibly wouldn’t have finished as Larssonesque as Liel did!
Celtic have now completed 21 competitive fixtures this season, winning 14, drawing 2 and losing 5. With 58 goals scored and 26 conceded.
Domestically (and this is the one I’ll update for all future matches) we have played 15, winning 14 and losing 1. We have scored 54 and conceded 11.
As for the voting, my thanks as always to the 69 who emailed me with their 3 personal superstars. The total votes cast for each CELTIC player with my own choices asterisked are as follows –
Hart: 0
Ralston: 11
Carter-Vickers*: 16
Jenz: 0
Bernabei: 0
O’Riley: 43
Hatate*: 16
Turnbull: 10
Haksabanovic: 52
Giakoumakis: 3
Jota*: 37

Taylor: 8
Kyogo: 8
Abada: 2
Forrest: 0
Maeda: 1

And so the players receiving POINTS for the game against Dundee United are –
Haksabanovic – 5 pts
O’Riley – 4 pts
Jota – 3 pts
Carter-Vickers and Hatate – 2 pts each

And so, after 21 games the overall standings are as follows –
47 points – Hatate
34 points – Jota and Taylor
26 points – Carter-Vickers
22 points – Jenz
20 points – O’Riley
19 points – McGregor
14 points – Abada and Mooy
13 points – Giakoumakis and Kyogo
12 points – Juranovic and Haksabanovic
9 points – Welsh
8 points – Bernabei
6 points – Ralston
5 points – Forrest
4 points – Hart and Starfelt
3 points – Maeda
2 points – Turnbull
0 points – Abildgaard, McCarthy and Siegrist

Our next game is just 3 more sleeps away when we visit Motherwell in the league. At the same time, our closest rivals host their closest cousins, Hearts, at Ibrox. Its 7.45 kick off’s on Wednesday night and heavy reliance on a reliable stream! Understandably voting might be lower than of late so if you are one of the ones lucky enough to see the game, please do vote.
Hail Hail!

16 roads

Powerful Mahe, absolutely brilliant!! 👏😎

Reality is reality.

Irrespective of how Celtic have been fairing – Scottish football has been very decent this weekend, Irish league also, believe it or not.

We’ll cross the corrupt UEFA bridge next season, again.

Celtic will be one of the last clubs standing – original, unbroken & unbowed since 1888..

KTF.🍀

16 roads

Most probably been posted already..ah well sure why not?

https://youtu.be/ZsojzlFtjb8

HH 🍀

16 roads

That noise when wee Kyogo scored @ 4:07 is something different, unique.. ye only get it at Celtic Park irrespective if there’s 25k during the 90’s or 55k Saturday in Paradise.. we’ve all been there.

Oiche mhaith. 🍀

CFC

Morning

A couple of points raised in the leader require a bit of clarification:

Are you suggesting that talk of clubs being “bankrolled” is now a misnomer, given the requirements of FSR and max investment in the squad and coaching recruitment as a fixed % of revenues? I understand the intention of this new regulatory approach is to close off the dubious funding practices loophole. A variable open to abuse in the past, most significantly by EBT FC.

What will restrict our ambitions is the limitation of significant revenue creation in a third/ fourth tier market. Continued access to the CL is a fundamental

Also partially overcome perhaps by revenue generating initiatives such as hotel development, and other on site infrastructure improvements ( museum, bars) improving the supporter experience?

I doubt tiredness from midweek can be offered as a genuine excuse on Saturday- Ange rested half the team that started v RM.
I take your point re the unsettled midfield. A work in progress.

Haven’t we already had 10 of 10 performance(s) in the 0-9 demolition of DU away from home in August, followed by a 4-0 v the Huns?
A subjective judgment, I guess.

Kobayashi?

The better players, like KT, will be driven by ambition to prove themselves at a greater technical level.
They will always move on, even those with more modest talent, but a healthy conceit, would be best advised to move on to maximise their potential.

SteveNaive

“Our midfield was woeful…” !
A misreading of what was happening on the pitch
For large parts of the game Fletcher was their furthest forward fifteen yards ahead of his own D.
Watch O’Reilly win the ball to set up the first and his pass for the last. Turnbull incessantly switch position to accommodate Tony Ralston and Hatate constantly looking to pass and play.
You welcome the challenge ? Would that include free penalties against, no even yellows when ref and blowing for fouls against when opponents fall down ? Nine fouls each ! Just blatant cheating.
Woeful indeed.

Frodshambhoy

CFC
They will always move on, even those with more modest talent, but a healthy conceit, would be best advised to move on to maximise their potential.

You’re not Ryan Christie’s agent are you.

CFC

Frodshambhoy

Funnily enough RC popped into my head as I wrote that!
He couldn’t wait to leave, he even joined a Championship team ( albeit one in the promotion hunt) to get away.

Very few aren’t mercenaries.

If I was his agent I’d find it difficult to advise him to turn down a significant increase (treble/quadruple ?) in wages.
No idea what he is earning now, but a list showing players salaries from a few years ago had him on something like £7,000 per week at Celtic.

GER57

I’ve said it often on here before that we now don’t have a 1st XI, we have a first team squad. We won’t have a “settled midfield,” we have a style of play that the whole squad has bought into and squad rotation gives everyone in it the opportunity to contribute.
We have been without our captain, our first pick midfielder, for several games, and the squad has responded to the challenge. We have missed Carl Starfelt all season, and both Moritz Jentz and Stephen Welsh have covered admirably when required. We rotate both full back positions and there’s definitely a debate as to who is the better right back. Incidentally, Bernabei was having a great game until the ref booked him for nothing and he got rattled.
We have variety up front, and defences must dread our regular 60th minute 3 subs. So, James Forrest or big GG, or Abada or Maeda come on with fresh legs and a point to prove, and terrorise them for another half hour. Our domestic opponents are done in by 90 minutes, hence they concede late, late goals.
Ange has said it’s a sign of our success if players move on. He embraces the challenge of bringing in better when that does happen. He also seems to get his business done quickly, not allowing transfer sagas to develop. e.g., the guy that chose Middlesbrough. We then signed Matt O’Riley.
Ange seems to be confident in his ability to source players, and when you look at his forays into Japan and English League 1, his confidence is not misplaced.
The big issue for us is keeping Ange in post, so no Lawwllesque penny pinching. If we get a progressive new chair of the board, I think we have a good chance of keeping Ange for a few years. He has a young family and he seems to like Glasgow so why not settle here? If a big English or European club comes for him, he would want to challenge himself at that level, and we’ll need to say a big thanks and wish him well, and hope for a smooth transition to the next manager. That’s where we’re at.
Not so long ago, we were moaning at Nir Bitton covering at centre back. We have made mighty progress in 18 months and it looks like Ange has plans to progress further. He at least realises that lying back on our laurels isn’t an option. We either progress or regress. Ask Neil Lennon.
I’m thrilled at my team just now and enjoying the ride.

CFC

GER57

The point to be made is that in midfield particularly we are yet to find a settled group, and this area is where outgoings/ incomings will be most keenly felt.

CFC

GER57

Our current go to mids are Calmac, Reo, Matt, AM, DT who are rotated- we have three others who contribute next to nothing OA, JMcC and Guchi.

Contract issues aside the last three mentioned, with possibly DT too, would be my choices as outgoings and better squad replacements sought to improve our midfield options.

CFC

Ps
If context is needed in terms of Scottish competition, It could be worse our midfield options could be:

Jack, Davis, Lundstrum, Kamara, Arfield, Tillman, Lawrence.

An illustration of limited abilities – a mixture of crocks, want aways or past their sell by date duds.

Pity we’re not playing them for two months.

GER57

CFC
OA, JMcC and Gucchi have hardly played, I think, because they are not yet up to speed with Ange’s requirements. Both OA and Gucci were Ange signings and he must rate them. Either Ange has misjudged them or they will come good and I’m content to give them time to adjust and improve. JMcC was a strange signing, on a 4 year deal. Ange must see something or he wouldn’t be in the squad and he has made a few brief contributions from the bench. I’ve no doubt that there will be ins and outs in the next couple of windows. There will never be a “settled midfield.” I also think there will always be a few “fringe players” who will fill in when injuries and suspensions kick in, like McCarthy. Obviously, if we can offload a fringe player, and replace with a more regular starter, at reasonable cost, that deal will be done. I can see McC move to a smaller club in a part exchange for a younger, more progressive sort.
Managing change/ flux is the challenge of our times. A settled side doesn’t figure in such a climate because now we either embrace change/ flux, or perish.

CFC

GER57

Perhaps you are right to hold out hope for OA( he’s on loan?) and Guchi (rarely makes the squad now).
Time will tell.

Managing change indeed.
Successful teams have suitors who can offer financial/ trophy success in better environments.
Those fortunate enough to attract attention will leave with my best wishes. They are part of the ongoing process.
We have the perfect Manager for the job of managing inevitable change.
Ange never stops.

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I reckon that Ange is aware that some of his players are looking to move on as it is a short career,and they want to optimise their earnings. I’ve not really got a problem with that,occupational hazard really.

Others,it will likely be Ange himself who wants them to move. Either deemed not up to scratch,or maybe not willing to play the system as required. One or two might even be fed up with getting kicked to buggery and back,and just want out.

The point is that Ange didn’t actually state anything we didn’t already know,at least not in that regard. Players leaving has always happened. But it makes a very pleasant change for a manager to state the case quite clearly,and to let the fans-and the board?-know that he is actively looking at replacements already,and that he expects any such to be an improvement.

On which,Kobayashi is already lined up and apparently all but signed sealed and delivered. With the added bonus that he is available for free.

Morning

I did not see whole game on Saturday but what I did see we were not that great. However hard the coach shakes things up and warns against complacency if you are playing a team you beat 9 -0 10 weeks previously the players might not have been at their sharpest. Quite a few of the teams that played in the Champions League during the week seem to have produced rather laboured performances against weaker teams so we were not alone. Conceding a ludicrous penalty so early on might have affected us too.

Central defence and midfield do need bolstering. Neither Jenz not Starfelt convinces me completely. Welsh does not strike me as being that far behind but he does seem nearer to Lex Baillie than George Connelly in quality.

We miss peak Broony- 2016-2019 and the dazzling moments of Rogic too . Nir Bitton was a handier backup than Mooy or McCarthy (although I’ve thought McCarthy has looked better in his limited appearances this season). David Turnbull looked a better player for Motherwell before he got injured and since last December’s injury has not looked anything like good enough to get back in as a regular starter. Oliver Abdilgaard has made no impression in the games he has come on. Hatate is superb- with Calmac and Jota he is one of our special players. O’Riley is good too but I am less taken by him than I thought I would be at this stage after his terrific early displays. For a Celtic midfield it gets fewer goals than I’d expect.

I think we are making progress though. The fighting spirit is terrific and the football often a thing of beauty. Best of all the manager is a thinker who whilst happy with his strategy does not seem to think it is unviolable and himself omniscient.

Bumps in the road ahead no doubt but I am quite confident.

Jimbo

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Hassenhuttl gone from Southampton. GVB sending his CV as I type this.

(Truth be told,it’s the Rangers board who have sent it!)

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JIMBO67

Blinkin’ flip,VVD was nearer to Lex Baillie than George Connelly!

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GER57

BMCUWP
Ah, George Connelly.
I was at the Dynamo Kiev match in 1966, when George gave his half time keepy up display, aged 15. By 1970, he had become a full squad member, no longer a kid. Jock must have thought he would build a team round him , David Hay, KD and Danny. This was just after Lisbon. He was looking at building a side to compete with Cruyff’s Ajax.
George had more fitba’ in his wee toe than VVD or any modern CB.
It is one of my biggest regrets not seeing George reach his full potential as a footballer, but he gave this young Tim a few great memories.
Nobody my age will forget “…And Connelly makes it three.”

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GER57

Although I had been going to games regularly since I was a 4yo,I was probably about 7 or 8yo before I really began to understand the game and what I was watching. I don’t think that’s an embarrassing admission,just a fact!

And so it was that from 1970 onwards,I saw Jock’s rebuild of the great Lisbon Lions into something which was potentially even better. Sadly,by 1977,I think only Danny was left. What a bloody shame when you think of what might have been.

“For all sad words of tongue and pen, The saddest are these, ‘It might have been’.”

CFC

BMCUW

The better players, like KT, will be driven by ambition to prove themselves at a greater technical level.

Yip, it started started with LM, DH, KD in the early/late 70’s. The lure of England.
The beginning of Scottish football parochialism.

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The Quality Street Gang,fromthe peerless CELTICWIKI

https://www.thecelticwiki.com/players/the-playing-legends/quality-street-gang/

There’s a photo further down in the article,of that “Gang” before an international tournament. The last-mentioned,front row to the right,suffered a horrendous leg break and had to retire from the game. Believe it or not,he taught me music at secondary school!

Of some of the others who didn’t make it in the same way as George,Danny,Lou,David and Kenny,etc,I am aware of the reasons for some of it,but sadly too many are hearsay and not for here. The one who didn’t make it,and which hurt Jock the most,was Brian McLaughlin.

I wasn’t there that fateful day at Clyde when the perennially thuggish McVey wrecked Brian’s knee. One of our members was though,and apparently everyone there that day knew how serious it could be-though few could have suspected quite how bad-but it seems Jock knew right away.

What a waste.

madmitch

Not quite buying the thrust of the article.

We are currently playing / operating well below our financial ability / capability after 18 years of gaslighting / excuse making by PL and his interweb pals.

We are a £150mill T/O club currently running at £120mill due to poor exec performance.

£150mill T/O needs regular CL football and it needs CL success.
£120mill T/O is CL for the first time in 5 years playing some great football in L plates.

We are making great progress to fill the gap and AP needs to take all the credit.
He is a man in a hurry and what a change that is from life in the slow lane.

At the moment we seem to have first team football wage bill — players / coaches / staff — somewhere around £50mill plus bonuses. To suggest that we are going to be outbid for talent by ECh teams is speculation too far in my opinion. It might be a case that our understanding of value is different and a team like Notts Forest might want to offer more for an effective but limited player like SMcK more money.

However that does not mean that we couldn’t afford SMcK as a stopper CB at that wage / fee — just a case that we might want to play a different way with different players who have a different skillset.

In contrast to that issue I do agree that the next stage in our journey with AP’s growth agenda is problematic in that it will ask questions we have not been asked before.

The PL moneyball angle was young talent for two years then punt — rinse and repeat.

We had some success with this approach but we kissed a lot of frogs and the list of exceptional items in the accounts gave notice of our failure and the trouble we had getting the dross out the door — 6 attempts at a new CF where they all failed to some sort of degree would suggest that we were not very good at this sort of thing.

AP in his efforts over 3 transfer windows has blown that poor performance out of the water.
He has found talent / he has found value.

But we still have the basic point that we do have to change.
Find young talent — but keep it happy for 4 years.
Find young talent and make hem captain / fixture in the side / build a team around them.
This will be new and this might involve a wage packet of £100K pw in time as they develop into a player / personality that we would want to keep around.

HL — how much would he be worth to us in time if he turned up at 26/27 today?

However as we grow towards our potential — 2030 T/O of £200mill would be my target — we need to be comfortable with situation that we are a football club not a hedge fund and that good football is the goal and not a swollen bank account.

No issue with calling it canny — spending last year’s profits rather than next year’s hope.
Plus we a have a main stand to rebuild — the only issue now is timing and will it be a £50mill job or a £100mill job?

No surprises what would be my view on the matter but we need to start making the most of the stadium — 300 person pop up bar is not going to cut it when we have crowds of 60K.

We have the start somewhere but I filled a 300 person bar with egg chasers 25 years ago,
It has taken a long time for our exec level to get with the programme.
Now we need more of it.

SeS

Mahe

Different challenges in SPFL … aye buddy, mainly avoiding career ending injuries or undeserved bookings/red cards.

Anyhoo…

I’m less than impressed with our performance on Saturday.

We need to learn to move the ball more quickly… and into space … players must always be seeking to move to the space. This doesn’t happen enough, and goals came from the few times we achieved that on Saturday.

Some players ( prefer not to name names in mid-season) will never have that in their game. No amount of practice or preparation will bring it on.

Feel all our future players must have a sufficiency of above in their game – simply because we shouldn’t be thinking ‘he’s ok for SPFL but, not for Europe’ we must be honing our European game in EVERY game we play domestically.

Our midfield doesn’t impress enough – yes, I’m not easily pleased- but these guys can look like a standout against lower league standard players because they are given much more time or can make some time or space. They touch the ball far, far far too many times. Last week Jota scored a prime example of the goals we should be scoring. The players involved in that move understand the game and what we require.

Slightly Earlier in the same game certain players took far too many touches in precisely the same breakaway opportunity, but chose to dawdle in the ball … allowing their opponents to all filter back and ‘set’

We Watch these players in Europe trying the same and they have a look of frightened rabbits – ball is a hot potato and they seem afraid of it. Not showing into space standing behind opponents etc, etc. It’s raw fear that does that ….that’s not their fault … they were selected to play in a role they cannot fulfill.

Players over-stretching on tackles or chasing after a poor first touch – unaware of teammates who do run into space – thankfully we have a few that absolutely can do all of those things – but they are getting pissed off ( watch body language) and will soon stop making those runs, or choose to get outa Dodge

Ange – must bring in better quality if we are to progress. Half this team don’t have ‘it’. They don’t need huge transfer fees or massive salaries either. Just about every team we played last season had players with these attributes. The players are out there and available ( if we compare relative spending power of Celtic to the club that employs them now)

Surely Our new Recruitment guru got his feet under his desk now? A six-foot Japanese Central defender – does he have any bigger teammates – we need guys that can handle chaos ball and being shoved about by the big lumps we see in SPFL and they are in Europe too

If we don’t act sharpish in the market ( expect zilch from internal development ) we are doomed to repeat this season.

Aye, Probably win a Treble tho’

Yet, risk achieving another low point in Europe

Magua/Craig76 – catching up/following chats on books – need to take more time to get hold of a few thanks for info Bhoys

GER57

BMCUWP
I’ve got to say, Bobby, that while I’ve enjoyed our domination since the turn of the century, and it has seen a massive trophy haul, with great players and cracking memories, the Stein era teams had a magical quality about them.
Maybe it’s just nostalgia but are we ever going to see again a player like Jinky, a wise guy like Bertie, or a colossus like Bobby Murdoch? Doubt it!
How did a team from dour Presbyterian Scotland produce a team that conquered Europe with such panache and bravado? Funnily enough, it was moulded by a coal face hardened Presbyterian miner.
Whilst the chairman of our Southside rivals did formally congratulate Celtic after Lisbon, the chief football writer for the Daily Record, a certain Andrew Fairgrieve, doubled down on the dour Presbyterianism by stating that no matter what, the Rangurs were still the pre-eminent team in Scotland. They tried to deny reality then and they’re at it again now with their “same club” shite.
For what it’s worth, I think Ange is our best manager since big Jock, and, if he stays, we could make a mark in Europe again.

Leggy

That’s some CL last 16 draw

RB Leipzig v Manchester City

Club Bruges v Benfica

Liverpool v Real Madrid

AC Milan v Tottenham

Eintracht Frankfurt v Napoli

Borussia Dortmund v Chelsea

Inter Milan v Porto

PSG v Bayern Munich

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LEGGY

Some great ties,but PSG will be regretting not scoring a goal or two extra. Bayern too might be wishing that PSG had scored that extra goal too.

Meantime.AWE NAW will have the dubious pleasure of watching perhaps the most exciting team in Europe this season.

PS-stop scoring so highly in the Superbru competition please. It’s for your own good,as ATHINGOFBEAUTY will track you down…

madmitch

GC and his talent — I’ll put my hand up as the person who introduced him into CQN about 15 years ago as the great lost talent for my football life and how the stories then flowed.

However to denigrate a proven long term talent like VVD with all the negative chat is to do both a disservice.

One very sore point to me is 1970 — if GC plays in a MF 3 we win the EC again no matter the snash and bad feelings about the bonus row.

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Speaking of AWE NAW,if you are lurking.

Can you check your mail please,or mail me on

bmcuwp@gmail.com

Thanks.

Leggy

Bobby,

Your right, a few cracking ties in there !!

Regarding Superbru, I’m on a downward spiral so nothing for ATOB to worry about 😜😜

madmitch

SeS @ 12.00

This season our team / squad was scared fartless by the CL.
We started well in some games but eventually the fear got to us and the heads dropped.

DU on Saturday — after the VAR decision went against us heads dropped for 15 / 20 minutes until we managed to play ourselves back into the game.

We need more onfield leadership / intelligence / nous.

MO’R — huge talent — is playing like he is wearing his dad’s boots.
He is playing the game at DM/pivot based on what he has seen on the TV.
Not based on any real understanding of the position.
Harsh to pick him out but big reason for our poor play / lack of resilience.

Big Audio Dynamite

Wow, we are trying hard for a reaction this morning.

Here’s one.

Hahhahhaha

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Is that the same Matt O’Riley who has been nothing short of brilliant since he joined?

GER57

Madmitch
I disagree that Celtic were feart in the CL games. Quite simply, Leipzig and Madrid were better than us. Real modified their game in the second half at CP, pressed us a bit further up the pitch, and cashed in when our pass and move midfield faltered. I believe that first half was the best we’ve been for many years and had Calmac’s shot gone in off the post, we could have achieved a better result.
Leipzig’s passing and movement were way smoother than ours and they deserved their wins. We could have and should have beaten Donesk at least once.
We’ve only been playing this way for a season and a half. Rome wasn’t built in a day, and we are moving in the right direction.

Big Audio Dynamite

Scared fartless? Hahaha

Sound like a Celtic fan?

C’mon wakey wakey!

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MADMITCH

My comment about VVD was in no way intended to denigrate him. It was intended to point out just how great a talent and how great a loss George Connelly was. Which I thought was quite obvious.

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BIGAUDIODYNAMITE

Agreed. Matt has been our best player since he joined. And to do so in an unfamiliar role without complaint,and all the while adapting to that role at the tender age of 21yo,says that we have a diamond on our hands.

madmitch

G57 @ 12.41

I think that we have paid a heavy emotional price for playing in the CL.
Our performance levels dropped over the course of the six games.
We have learned a lot but it will be the new year before we get the benefits.

I fear that for some players — the demons are returning.
I fear for others — they have failed to play to their full potential in matches.
Left a lot of their game in the dressing room / team bus.

I don’t rate RBL — their team to me is split between quality and quantity.
Their defence looked shaky when put under pressure — just a case we didn’t do enough of it.
Interesting to see how they handle the Last 16 tie.

To me we left two or three points on the park against them.

Big Audio Dynamite

Bobby, a top player who’s adapted brilliantly to his new role.

To say anything else is just looking for a reaction …again.

SeS

BAD

I’d say some players displayed some fear in CL games.

It just a personal view and if you saw something else then that’s ok – I respect your view. Absolutely.

The manager watched the same games we did – let’s see if he was comfortable with reaction to the occasions – how he responds or requires his bosses to respond.

Let’s keep it nice n friendly buddy.

Peace & Love Man

HH

Big Audio Dynamite

SeS, I value – greatly- the harmony between us.

A troll wants to fuck that up.

I have a terrible habit of calling it as I see it.

Almost every poster on CQN wrong?

That would be a stretch, my friend.

SeS

BAD likewise buddy

HH

Prestonpans bhoys

Like in 1988, we are scoring late goals and its not down to luck as the hun support suggest. More like 100% determination and effort moreover a belief that we can do it, we never stop!

When that daft penalty was given you could see the heads went down for 20 minutes and no wonder, the players must have thought what kind of league are they in😕. However they buckled down and roared back👍

I’ve still got a sore neck from the six foot + bhoy beside me, who picked me up off the ground when that third goal went in😂

madmitch

BMCUW @ 12.50’ish

To my callow eyes — the issue with GC is when did the decline start?
I grew up with the tales of the half time ball juggling act and the 1969 SCF heroics.
JS’s wild card inclusion into the team @ MF and how it paid off.
You then have his efforts vs LU in the 70 EC SFs.
We missed him in the final.

However for someone who’s first game was Clyde in 71 / LL’s last hurrah — he was always an enigma.

DH was getting more game time than him.
Kiltoon angle — “Fat Pat” aka PMcL starts to get the sweeper gig in 72.
DMcG is soon seen as the premier defensive talent in the squad.
LM and KD get the plaudits for their goal scoring.

So I am struggling to remember the big games that he played in — possibly a grey moment.
I do know that others raved about his talent / ability and to my young eyes he played with authority.
Just a case that for me the walk outs are more memorable.

I saw and recognised the huge talent in VVD.
I was told about and saw some of the talent that was in GC.

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Afternoon

George Connelly was from the last few weeks of the 70-71 season until the end of the 72/73 one of the best players I have ever seen. For anybody. Very promising up to then and who knows how differently the Milan final would have gone had he started. I think that even before the leg break against Basle he had declined. We’ll always wish we got more but we got plenty from him. As with Bobby Murdoch and even more so Danny McGrain he was somebody you just had to watch playing to appreciate how good he was at his best. There just isn’t enough archive footage out there

Did not think we looked feart in CL games and I didn’t think that – as was the case with Rodgers at the helm- we looked as though our players had reverted to the standard I played at either. Just not as good as Real or Red Bull but we should have beaten Shakthar – fair to say I’ll be far less forgiving if our next CL campaign is a rehash og this one

Jimbo

Big Audio Dynamite

Btw, Matt O’Riley made, or had a hand in, every goal we scored at the weekend.

Just saying.

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You know that MAHE and I try to keep a civilised house, so to speak, and that we are grateful that the vast majority of our posters over the last few years have not only abided by that, but bought into it too.

The site is much the more pleasant and enjoyable for it, I reckon-yet it is not exactly a love-in. Nor should it be, posters frequently disagree with each other, but respectfully while explaining their positions on the subject in hand.

I am well aware of MM’s (couldn’t resist that one!) previous on CQN, but so far he has only posted occasionally contentious opinions. We do delete comments, as everyone knows, and we certainly ban posters for obvious reasons.

This isn’t a site for being deliberately provocative. If MM is looking for one that is ,or looking for an argument simply for the hell of it, then he will be well served elsewhere. If he is looking for an enjoyable Celtic site, where we can discuss all aspects historical or current, he has found one.

It is up to him to adapt to it, and soon.

Bigrailroadblues

Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen from Shawlands. Another week of fun and Celtic starts now. 👍

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MADMITCH

George had huge personal issues. I’ll leave it at that.

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