Beat in the heat

So the Big Cup tournament went well. What a spectacle, a joy to behold, jubilant supporters everywhere, beer galore and songs aplenty in the sun. No, not that Qatari fiasco, rather the Sydney Super Cup festival of football which obviously outshone it’s more expensive counterpart.
 
The contrast could not have been clearer. One match had the lucky attendees mesmerized until the very end, the other produced an empty stadium by the 70th minute.
In the Middle East the chant was ‘we want beer’, Down Under the chant was Hail Hail, The Celts Are Here.
 
Now of course we didn’t win the bloody thing, but we should have. Sloppy finishing prevented that, and as ATOB already explained jetlag will have played a part, it can take up to a week to fully adjust to the new time zone. Not an excuse, just a simple fact.
 
However in many ways the Down Under Tims actually won. In scenes that would make a dead man weep, they came out in their thousands to create a green and white army unrivaled by the native soccer teams, an army that was always going to party the weekend away in style no matter what occured on the park. And so it proved. They got their long awaited top-up if not silverware, and made us all proud whilst doing so.
 
Put yourself in our players shoes for a moment. They all know by now we are a giant club but after crossing the globe discovered fresh legions of fans who just can’t get enough. Such events tell you the true size and scale of the famous Glasgow Celtic. It was basically a home match some six thousand miles away, and there’s few if any could honestly stake that claim.
The players must have been impressed, I sure was.
 
Then put yourself in the Everton players and even supporters shoes. The representatives of the globes biggest league fully outshone on the occasion, shove your millions there’s only one massive club here. And just to rub it in they were outplayed on the day, emerging lucky victors this time but had the occasion truly mattered (for instance had this been a Champions League clash) I for one feel they wouldn’t be taking that trophy home. We would have raised it another level, a level they were incapable of finding to put us away. If the Toffees hadn’t realized it then, they will now, that despite their extra millions and Premiership status, they were second best in almost every department. I wouldn’t be surprised if our club won a few admirers in that squad, and likewise I wouldn’t be surprised if some of our players gained some new admirers from that league.
Everton themselves might now put Ange at the top of their wishlist, after all he almost bettered them on a fraction of their budget and clearly has more to offer than their under pressure rookie in charge.
 
I my humble opinion the tournament will serve everyone well,,, sunshine and some R&R is always welcome, the size and scope of the worldwide support has been reinforced to everyone involved, Ange gets to see the old friends/sights/family which is always nice, and at the end of the day we proved more than a match for an EPL club which makes me happy. Given the money and hype involved they can be arrogant at facing perceived lesser opponents, yet we somehow tend to emerge with our head held high when we do clash.
 
Finally an apology.
A while back I questioned the hiring and role of a certain Australian, Mr Harry Kewell. This was during a low scoring period for the team, which seemed to end when our Captain (of course he went on the tour injured or not) was sidelined.
That is why it was so very heartening to read Daizen Maeda singing his praises and learning how he is impacting the players.

That comment is music to my ears.
Sorry Harry, keep it up son.

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Chairbhoy

Good Morning Celts,

Grand upbeat lead Mahe, watching the Celtic support enjoying the occasion made the event worthwhile, great turnout – not one to have a moan but it lays the lie that Celtic need the Green brigade and their version of the song book – for me the bhoys and ghirls in Sydney showed what the Celtic support are all about.

Fabulous reading Meada’s comments regarding Harry Kewell – if we are going to attract players from around the globe, this is just the kind of support we need to be giving them.

Embdee watching any of the games today?

At the moment I’m saying no, I’ll keep an eye on the scores – if CCV is picked I’ll certainly take in the Wales match.

Should we be supporting Wales? After all, the only Celtic nation at this world cup.

My picks…

Monday 21st Nov.

Group B: England v Iran (13:00) ~ 2-2

Group A: Senegal v Netherlands (16:00) ~ 2-2

Group B: USA v Wales (19:00) ~ 3-2

Hail Hail

Jobo Baldie

Good morning, friends.
Thanks Mahe and you’re quite right to highlight something that none of us were really surprised by – the level of our support at those 2 games. Last night, I watched the game against Everton and despite knowing the score I still thoroughly enjoyed it. We should have won, and convincingly at that. Everton were honking!
Chalmersbhoy – your competition should certainly create more interest than there otherwise would have been. I’ll catch the first half of ENG v IRA and also plan to watch USA v Wales. The 4pm game might need to play 2nd fiddle tonbabysitting duties.
Happy Monday y’all.

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SeS

GVB has been resigned …

madmitch

Mahe

Not sure I share your very positive view of our world down under.
File me under positive but not ecstatic — if experience is all then you are heading down the HG “showbiz” route.
I don’t want us to become a cartoon I want us to be a very good football team.

We have a global reach with our support that a lot of smaller clubs would love to have.
However in Aus a win or two would have helped especially given the hype of the AP return.

The issue for me is that the support — no matter where it is located — has been let down by a lazy board.
The progress we have seen over the past 17 months has come from the recruitment of a coach with desire.
He is the one who has found a much needed growth agenda and he is the one driving us forward.

The recent sniping from the “Cave” — P67 et al — shows how unsettled the board are becoming regarding his ambition.
Coming up to the 24 month itch which broke — in the end — both MON and BR.

So the spotlight is on the board to match the ambition of both the board and the support.
Starting with our player trading in Jan.

Finally the support we have globally has developed organically — the board have done next to nothing to encourage it.
Anything they have done in this area has been opportunistic / event driven — no plan / no ambition involved.

We need to work our way beyond an appeal to expats — we are bigger than that and a global economic migration in the face of a failing local economy is nothing to boast about — see the B/Bills in the NFL for confirmation of this. They have a big support just a case that they don’t live there any more.

Hopefully the events in Aus can move us forward on all fronts.
Just a case that the board need to awaken from their slumbers.

GVB vs NL2 — discuss.

madmitch

HK — his addition to the coaching team is looking to be a big positive.
DM — I fear he has been trying too hard to re-establish the natural order in G40.
If HK can get his confidence back / calm him down then we will have some player on our hands.

bournesouprecipe

Was it worth it?

Estimated Australian appearance money £6M but defeats to Sydney and a very lowly Everton didn’t impress anybody. Celtic have gone full circle from the side that scored nine in Tannadice .

Couldn’t buy a goal in a long grassed ,windy exchange we dominated possession but like the first game, broke down with poor finishing a feature of our play.

For weeks and weeks without our captain and now with VAR closing in back home, Celtic have struggled to put the ball in the net. Too much football at times, one pass too many and shot shy always.

GG , Kyogo as the main strikers have high ratios despite not always playing, Kyogo scores a goal for Celtic every 79 minutes and Giakoumakis scores every 96 minutes.

But Celtic’s goals are spread , Abada scores regularly but also misses on the same scale as Kyogo . We probably saw GG’s last ever Celtic penalty disappear somewhere close to the second tier, at least Hatate went close.

Haksabanovic is a tidy player we need his goals as with Jota, David Turnbull in the Aaron Mooy role looks good , but the rare production of goals is in line with our inability in front of goal.

Tony Ralston had another fine game and proves grittier than contract rebel Juranovic , who will despite rumours likely still be looking for a hooped jersey after the World Cup.

Celtic a better football team than Shaktar , Sydney and Everton but arguments like that get us where we are, somewhere down under. Nice work with the nine point league gap, but job not done.

MOM Tony Ralston

madmitch

Growth agenda and the search for local talent — the Iceland experiment vs East End.
Giving something back — something that the club and the foundation could work on?

Football halls — not the tiny L/town version that was worked to death.
But the full sized version in planning for B/field — should we help fund more in the East End?
Plus work on developing paid coaches with EUFA coaching badges?

What are the qualification levels of our various coaching staffs?
Boys / youths / U19 / B Team / First team?

Iceland had 400 coaches with EUFA B licenses in 2016 for a population of 365K.

If we were to try and copy this in the East End?
Would that be 100 coaches for a population of 100K?

Failing that I think that we should adopt a team in Iceland / re-visit our scouting network on the island.

2016 Grauniad story on Iceland.

.https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/08/iceland-stunning-rise-euro-2016-gylfi-sigurdsson-lars-lagerback

Well-worn link to people building indoor football halls.

https://www.rubbuk.com/rubb-market-sectors/sports-training-buildings/indoor-football-training-facilities/

CFC

Interesting decision by the Huns.
I assume a pricey redundancy package, and a promise to the next head honcho at Ayebroke that funds are available for a transfer splurge.

Going for broke again. CL direct entry a must. I hope we are ready to combat the impact of the Hun distress call.

CFC

Chairbhoy

I will be tuning in to Engerlund v Iran, having learnt they are seeded around 20 in the world gives me hope they may inflict a bit of damage on the “ it’s coming home brigade”.

Coached by Carlos Queiroz should mean they will be a lot savvier than Qatar.

bada bing1

Muskat for Sevco

CFC

The Gallant Musketeers?

bada bing1

Muskat for Sevco 8/1

Chairbhoy

Yes BMCUWPS @ 9:26 am, believe I’m in…

BSR @ 10:57 am,

Good summary, and Tony as MOM, wonder what Frank Lampard made of him…

CFC @ 11:32 am,

Yes, Iran are no mugs and although I’m totally out of touch with this England team, would only know about half a dozen and dont know if they’ll start.

England tend to start slowly with not a great run up they are not red hot favourites – they might click and win easily but they are poorer than the sum of their parts and I’m still not convinced they have the right manager – agree that Iran will be better in that department

Going to have one eye on the screen

So we’ll see.

Hail Hail

bournesouprecipe

VAR Check: Possible Pen………………………..
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Decision: Penalty Rainjurz

bada bing1

A restaurant in Doha doing a special offer, 5 pints and a curry, £80

bada bing1

A restaurant in Doha doing a special offer, 5 pints and a curry, £80….

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Does the curry repeat on ye?

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England 1 up,Bellingham

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IniquitousIV

I was hoping for an Englandshire result akin to ours against Iran in Argentina in 1978. Never going to happen. Sassenachs utterly dominant. Now 3-0. Burns me up that the charlatans with sinecures at the SFA have so neglected the development of the game in Scotland that we are now forever condemned to be the poor relation looking in from the outside at World Cup finals.

Chairbhoy

England good value for their three goal lead, looking impressive, Iran struggling to get into the game.

We talk a lot about defending, the fact is that Iran have a good reputation as a quality defensive unit, but you can’t take points of a quality attacking side by defending.

Hail Hail

ABE Kitts

Just read that Neil Lennon has appeared in the betting for next hun manager at 33-1. Clearly some mischievous betting going on 😂. We all know how the new manager betting markets are easily manipulated, so I reckon if every Celtic fan put £1 on, it would make the bookies slash the odds and maybe even make him favourite in the betting. Imagine the meltdown on the soo’side……😂😂😎

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ABEKITTS

That bad bit’s still in you at times!

Chairbhoy

England 4-1 Iran

England – All very good goals but you can see why Iran and CQ tried for ten minutes to keep their first choice keeper on….

Hail Hail

Rebus67

As if it isn’t enough that extremism is taking over politics in countries that I cherish. As if it isn’t enough that people with really important jobs(Health Care and Education etc) earn a pittance compared to those in Admin in Local Housing, Westminster and Entertainment. As if it isn’t enough that my ability to see my sons has been restricted because of a global pandemic. As if it isn’t enough that I have to put up with another glorious failure of Celtic abroad. Now, I have to tolerate weeks of the worst effects of the corporate influence on football played in a State that has aspects of its Culture that should be globally condemned rather than accepted.

Yes, I did watch the opening game. Call it gathering evidence! I watched, principally, because I was intrigued to see if money could overcome the disadvantages of a small population(300,000 citizens) and produce a globally competitive team. The answer was stark. No, it cannot. At least, that is something positive to come out of this fiasco.

What was more revealing was how strongly the locals supported their team as it was shredded on the park. En masse, they walked out! This is not a sporting event, it is a series of out of touch political statements.

Pushing aside these less important issues, and arriving at what really matters, what does it mean for Celtic? What can we learn from a small nation like Qatar?

Firstly, wealth can only take you so far. Any success that is achieved will be both limited and not long term. Secondly, experience matters at this level of football. Qataris had no experience of playing in a WC. They had a system of playing, a competent coach, a player development system, but no experience of playing in a top level tournament. As a consequence, individual players consistently lost their one on one battles. Ecuador, whose players had the experience of playing in top leagues, were physically stronger and more technical than their opponents.

Much of this reminded me of Celtic’s efforts in Europe this season. Our Japanese contingent, Jota, Abada, CCV…..all were experiencing CL level football for the first time. Hopefully, this will stand them in good stead for next season. However, gaining experience is only part of the success scenario. Other factors such as ……………. also matter. Ange has a tough job ahead of him to bridge the gap!

Rebus

ABE Kitts

Sad story of the day. One of my son’s mates put £40 at 100-1 on England to win 6-0. Was offered a cash out of £400 at 3-0, then a grand at 4-0. Declined both offers, now that Iran have scored his £40 is right down the tubes……

CFC

Rebus67

I also wouldn’t discount the importance of mentality and psychology in playing at an elite level.
The 0-3 second half lesson in game one, followed by the disappointment of an away 1-1 clearly affected the players. Their response at the end of the game in Warsaw spoke volumes.
Dejection took over and grafted itself onto domestic form.

It is this area I’d like to see us improve in recruitment- players who exude a bit of confidence and convey leadership qualities across the pitch, not just wearing the captain’s armband.

Frodshambhoy

Rebus, well put 👍✅

Abe – couldn’t he have taken the £1,000 and put a few hundred on 6-0

ABE Kitts

Frodshambhoy
That would have been the sensible thing to do 😂😂. Guess he saw £4K looming large.

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Yer lad’s mate will be even more pissed off now,as England score a sixth.

ABE Kitts

English commentator on Fox Sports just said England are now favourites to win the World Cup.😳

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27 minutes of added time. A Scottish ref would have been looking for an overtime payment!

Rebus67

BSR,

Congrats on an insightful article. You raise issues that I was reluctant to air.

How many glorious failures can be tolerated? Sadly, it has become the norm for Celtic abroad whereas somehow a stolid performing Scottish team can work its way to a European final.

Was the Australian venture a success or a failure? IMHO, it is somewhere in between. Although no confirmed numbers have been revealed, jingling johnnies have arrived in Celtic pockets. So that is a positive, especially if it boosts expenditures on recruits. From an organisational perspective, it looks more like a dog’s breakfast. The coach is Australian, the dates of the shutdown and restart of the Scottish season were well known in advance, yet Celtic played its first game shortly after arrival. Was there no acknowledgement of jetlag? Did the powers that be think so poorly of the opposition that they thought even a jetlagged Celtic could win easily? There was plenty of time and flexibility in choosing dates for these games in Australia but our club chose the least favourable.

Secondly, did this venture enhance the reputation of the club? Two defeats in two games. One goal scored. Those are the facts and just the facts! Hardly data that would enhance the reputation of any club! For the Australian fans who are already committed to Celtic, the results will make little difference. However, I doubt if many neutrals will be persuaded to follow the green and white on the basis of the two performances. Frankly, the performance against Sydney was embarrassing especially down both sides of our defence. The result against a weakened Everton team will merely reinforce the view that even the best of Scottish football is well below the level of the EPL

It would be interesting to know what the reaction was in Japan. Will two poor results dissuade top Japanese players from hitching their futures to Celtic?

So, in the round, the venture was possibly a financial success, and existing Celtic supporters enjoyed some acknowledgement. On the other hand, Ange must have been frustrated that his homecoming was marred by the results. Neither he nor the club won over many doubters. As for the organisation of the venture, it acted against positive performances.

How many glorious failures can the club stand?

Rebus

Mike in Toronto

KITTS

Hard luck for your son’s pal.

Maybe it is just me (and my bad attitiude) but money you win always tastes a little bit better than money you have had to work for!

(I guess that is why Weber never wrote about the Catholic Work Ethic)

🙂

Frodshambhoy

MON 21 NOV 2022FIFA WORLD CUP – GROUP B
England
6
Iran
1
Bellingham (35′ minutes), Saka (43′ minutes, 62′ minutes), Sterling (45’+1 minutes), Rashford (71′ minutes), Grealish (89′ minutes)
FT
HT 3-0
Taremi (65′ minutes, 90’+13 minutes pen)

Copied and pasted this from BBC Sport.
Iran 1 – did the late penalty not count because Tavpen didn’t take it?

Frodshambhoy

Now shows 6-2

Chairbhoy

Mike in Toronto @ 3:33 pm,

My mum used to go on to us about the Catholic work ethic – for all our faults an attitude rigorously forged into all of her four children.

I was middle aged before discovering she was mocking, in serious way and it hit the mark, but mocking none the less the idea off, “the protestant work ethic”.

Hail Hail

Auldheid

Rebus

How many glorious failures can the club stand?

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Depends on where you start, 1888 or say 1946 when I was born?

Highs and lows are the nature of football for all clubs and Celtic are no exception.

It’s a matter of perception that depends on our individual world view.

I by nature am a good finder and I find if you look for good it can be found.

Even the bad times are good as the song goes.

Frodshambhoy

Chairbhoy – the idea of “the protestant work ethic” is alive and well in Scotland.
You don’t seriously think the SFA and Scottish refs drift casually into stitching Celtic up. They put a great deal of toil and effort into it 🤪😬

Rebus67

Auldheid,

Wonderful view of life. Just be careful that it does not lead to tolerating anything and everything.

Rebus

Rebus67

MM,

Apologies. I should have included you, as well as BSR, in my polemic on the Australian caper!

Perhaps you were lucky.

Rebus

Mike in Toronto

Chairbhoy/ Frodshambhoy

As I say, there is an argument to be made that work ethic is highly over-rated, and may not even be Christian, let alone Catholic!. For example, in Exodus 16, after Moses had parted the Red Sea, and the Israelites were wandering the desert, and Moses told God that the people were hungry. So God told Moses that he had heard their pleas, and the next morning, they woke up to find game birds and manna (bread) from heaven all over the lands.

So, did God tell them to build a bakery? No. They went to bed, and in the morning, bam! Manna from heaven. Noe of that Protestant work ethic stuff for the Big Man.

Personally, I’m starting to think they created that whole Protestant thing … just so that, a few hundred years later, they could cheat us at football!

Auldheid

Rebus.

I’m very tolerant. Up to a point. Mendacity rips my knitting.

I actually came across the good finder outlook

(which might just be one of a number of coping mechanisms us humans adopt to give life some meaning because a life with no meaning strikes me as having no purpose, )

from a book called Happiness is An Inside Job by John Powell SJ.

Unfortunately he lost some credibility because of his individual weakness but if that is tolerated then he has much to teach us.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Happiness-Inside-Benziger-John-Powell/dp/0883473240/ref=asc_df_0883473240/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=375456519270&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5688830400763285148&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007336&hvtargid=pla-570459288468&psc=1&th=1&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=76471991946&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=375456519270&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5688830400763285148&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007336&hvtargid=pla-570459288468

Mahe

Brilliant stuff. Oh, by the by, thanks for your kind comments last night. That certainly deserves a thumbs-up thingy.

So that’s the party over then. Goodbye Gio. I will miss you. No doubt all sorts of names will be put out there by the SMSM, now that THE JOB, is once again vacant. This time though, the Huns simply cannot throw money about, now that EUFA have them in their sights. Let’s look at the attractions that the hot-seat will hold for any new manager.

1. A support that, quite frankly, are not the most patient. Time will definitely not be on the side of the new guy.

2. After what we can assume is a pretty good pay off for Gio and his staff, the Ibrox mob are even more skint than they were yesterday. There will be precious little money to splash in the next transfer window.

3. A dressing room riddled with dissention, not helped by:

4. The fact that Ryan Kent and Billy bunter have quite plainly chucked it on the park. Both these players will be amongst the Ibrox club’s highest earners. The old green-eyed monster will be in play here, as regards the other superstars in the dressing room.

5. Fans of the Ibrox team will demand that the next manager is a real *Rangers’ man. I guess that means, that the appropriate candidate will be uber-staunch, with a tendency towards acts of violence against anyone not sharing these principles. Any players not sharing these principles will be shipped out of the debt-dome.

Auldheid

Mendacity? Is that not Peter Lawwell’s middle name?

Hail Hail.

Auldheid

Auldheid

Mendacity? Is that not Peter Lawwell’s middle name?

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and here was me thinking I was being subtle.

Nae flies on you kid.

However the more that emerges, if working on dialogue terms and putting ourselves in the other guys shoes, I wonder what would I have done in the circumstances at the time?

Hopefully in the course of time a true historical record will emerge.

IniquitousIV

Impressed with the very high levels of speed and athleticism displayed so far by the Ecuadorians, Senegalese, and yes, Englandshire.

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