Part 2:The Dirtiest Game
Morning,all. Hot on the heels of getting kicked off the park at home,JIMBO67 shares with us the story of the second leg in Buenos Aires.
1967-11-01: Racing Club 2-1 Celtic, Intercontinental Club Cup ( Avellaneda Field, Buenos Aries, Argentina) 2nd Leg
Racing Club (Argentina) 2-1 Celtic (Scotland)
Cejas, Perfumo, Chabay, Martín (c), Rulli, Basile, Raffo, Cardoso, Cárdenas, Rodríguez, Maschio.
Goals: Raffo (33), Cárdenas (48)
Celtic: Fallon*, Craig, Gemmell, Murdoch, McNeill, Clark, Johnstone, Wallace, Chalmers, O’Neill, Lennox.
* = Simpson injured by a missile before kick-off
Goals: Gemmell (21′ pen)
2nd. leg:Venue: Avellaneda. Field: Racing Club (“El Cilindro”)
Referee Esteban Marinho (Uruguay)
Att : 100,000
The return in Buenos Aires two weeks later had become a more ominous prospect than a day earlier. Neighbours of ours, the Kings, who owned shops and Rover cars were going to South America to watch the game and we were no longer envious
Argentina was viewed, in Britain at least and at best, with some bemusement. The official language was Spanish but everybody was either an Indigenous native, of Italian extraction or a post-war immigrant from Germany with a shady past it seemed. It was, usually, eccentrically and not benignly governed. The people were considered passionate but badly overexcitable. A mad place but an exhilarating one.
The football of the country presented something of a paradox. It regularly produced players of sublime ability and the best player my dad had seen was the Argentinean star of Real Madrid Alfredo di Stefano but Argentina did not have a good record at international level. Since the inaugural 1930 World Cup when it was runner up Argentina had a poor record in the competition when it bothered to compete. It’s reluctance to compete in the tournament was based on a fear that European clubs would immediately sign its best players and, if a player was of Italian origin, he’d be playing for the Azzurri in the next world cup as a result of his transfer- and this reality had helped Italy to win 2 World Cups. Across the estuary of the River Plate Uruguay had won both the World Cup and Intercontinental Trophy twice to Argentina’s none. Brazil, with which Argentina shared some border was as successful as Uruguay and already loved as the home of beautiful football. Nobody loved Argentinean football who was not Argentinean it seemed.
Argentina had played well in the 1966 World Cup in England until losing to the host in bitter circumstances after their captain, Rattin, was mysteriously sent off in a game the visitors had been dominating. Alf Ramsey, England’s rather pompous, little manager had personally prevented his players from swapping jerseys at the end of the game and described the losing team as ‘animals’- and there were plenty who agreed with him. But even though Racing had been ‘filthy’ in Glasgow there had also been glimpses of a team that could play really good football
It was a quirk of the World Club Championship that away goals did not count double although I believe that by that stage the format had at least been altered from its earliest incarnations where if you won 1 game but lost the other you got a play-off match even if the aggregate score had been 1-10 against you. When I woke up on the morning of 2nd November 1967, I was not too despondent to learn we had lost the game in Buenos 2-1- we’d win the play-off match because it would be held in a neutral venue. I was quite clever but I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. I learned later in the day that the match itself had been in some ways worse than the first one and not just because Celtic had lost.
This second match is possibly the least discussed of the three matches and although the SFA report – printed verbatim in Kelly’ book- is pretty critical of the Uruguayan referee, Senor Esteban Marino, and the conduct of the home team other reports I have read suggest that, on the park, this was the nearest this series of matches came to normality – Celtic scoring first with a penalty and then Racing roaring back to score 2 goals. But that same SFA report mentions that the game should have been declared null and void. The reason for that line of thought was also the big talking point in the playground that Thursday morning. Ronnie Simpson, Celtic’s goalie, had been felled by a metal object in the warmup and could take no part in the game- or, as it turned out, the one three days later. The extent of Faither’s injuries was not known but by the time we were saying our Grace Before Meals we all pretty much had him on the critical list. More relevantly as Celtic had not been able to field it’s chosen team the result should not have stood. It seems that this point was raised by Kelly post-match with his equivalent at Racing countering that because John Fallon, who stood in, played well it did not matter.
. [By the time I was reading grown up football magazines and not just Shootthe accepted version in Buenos Aires , repeated by sympathetic English journalists, most notably Brian Glanville, was that Ronnie had not been injured at all and could have played.]Celtic was by this stage having severe doubts about going ahead with a third match and the significance of the match not being played under the authority of FIFA dawned. We were on our own.
That second match may well be the least known of the three games but it was clearly the most uncomfortable for Celtic and those who followed them- the small number of travelling fans , perhaps 100 in total, watched in fear and physical discomfort (caused in part by the showers of urine poured on them by those in the tier above) whilst even the Celtic board and other members of the official party had no access to the team or coaching staff within the stadium. It was chaotic.
There was – and not just in my band of Celtic supporting children- a belief that Celtic would prevail in the replay which would be in a neutral venue which happened to be one of the world’s great stadia- and more relevantly , one which would have required an Olympic class discus thrower to even reach the pitch with a missile thrown from its terraces. However, Bob Kelly wanted to come home, Jock Stein wanted to stay believing the team and Desmond White thought it a lot of money to have paid to travel and not get a final outcome. Celtic stayed. More sober reports on the match in Buenos Aires suggested that as the game had progressed Celtic’s own discipline had begun to fray. My mum and dad’s thinking seemed, for once it must be said, to have been on the same line Kelly’s. ‘A bad idea.’ But I would be allowed to stay up to watch the highlights. So, I was not bothered.
The match in Montevideo was to prove catastrophic.
Part 3/3 to follow …
Chalmersbhoy World Cup predictor
Link to TWISTY Naps competition.
Blinkin’ flip,need to contact ASWGL again to ask him to clean up and display the embedded links!
Released without charge
Out of order for the DR to publish a photo of his house,plus his cars without blacking out the number plates.
Griffiths and McGowan lifted for betting offences, check out the stats for Dundee v Hearts,last season…..
Craig, from the same Twitter feed, have all the boys and girls been good this year…😂😂😂😂
I think Sevco will probably need to totally rebuild Ibrox from the foundations up ..the whole kit and kaboodle! I’m thinking about a quarter of a billion should do it 🙂
“Declan Rice says England should be FEARED by other nations at the World Cup”
Declan Rice says England SHOULD be feared by other nations at the World Cup – but they’re not.
There, fixed that for you!
Boston Celtics head coach on the Royals
Welcome to Paradise, Yuki!
I’m sure poor Giovanny now realises he made many mistakes, but not wearing his staunch suit was surely his biggest mistake.
It reminds me of the time Stuart McCall tried wearing Ally McCoist’s staunch suit and brogues, and ended up looking like David Byrne at a Talking Heads concert 😂
On this day in 1911, Patsy Gallagher made his debut for the Hoops.
On this day.
2nd Dec 2018 – Celtic beat Aberdeen to win the Scottish league cup.
Lawwell back as Chairman, the feel good factor was good while it lasted
The Dirtiest Game…
The auld Switcheroo.
The board — they have a brass neck you could mine,
PL back as Chairman does against every aspect of modern corporate governance.
DD is just trying to wind up the support.
He really doesn’t like us.
If Peter Lawwell does return as Chairman, then that would tell you everything you need to know about the contempt Dermot Desmond has for the Celtic support.
I would not be at all surprised if sleepy old Brian Wilson gets a wee shot at it.
https://www.celticfc.com/news/2022/december/02/celtic-announce-new-non-executive-chairman/ looks like I was wrong.
The optics are awful.
The truth does not matter.
I wonder if this will stop the useful discussions on referees with Company Secretary I’ve mentioned recently. It should’nt but could be a game changer..
Breaking news means that the much-awaited follow-up article from JOBO will now be on here next Saturday. I cannot believe that these bastards have appointed Lawwell as chairman. Cowardly time to do it too.
I can’t believe he’s been appointed. The board really know how to shoot themselves in the foot.
AH @ 1.11
PL back as the Chairman was always the plan.
Even better if you can install his ex tea boy as the CEO.
DD likes PL because PL does what DD want’s regarding DD’s financial interest..
Minority shareholder running club through a long term lackey.
They can and do squabble about who the manager should be.
To DD these are the little things — his main issue is that there will not be a need to put his hand in his pocket ever again.
No EPL pathway = slow lane to mediocrity in his eyes.
And it doesn’t bother him at all — in fact it might encourage the tyre kickers to put a better offer on the table.
Aye … so here we go
Who would have thunk it ?!
I can believe PLhas been appointed.
This shows exactly what Desmond thinks of Celtic as a club and their fans.
Don’t take this personally, you’ve done a fantastic job.
They’ve strung along support on for generations.
It’s just the nature of this dirty business.
The optics don’t matter.
The line will be that an experienced hand at the tiller is required and no better man. He singlehandedly saved Scottish football by getting Sevco back.
He’s right in there with UEFA and the Clubs Association. FFP, blah, blah, blah.
SBs selling like hotcakes. Merchandise flying out the door and a few decent players to punt.
(Did anyone ever get apprehended for that petrol bombing?)
Release the news lunchtime on a Friday, World Cup on. Nine points ahead. New player signed from Japan.
A good day to bury bad news.
And the young – fella looking after the family business/sideline, player recruitment.
Our club is being run by one man , who is not even a majority shareholder.
Desmond said Peter Lidl ‘ was the outstanding candidate….’…..aye,as if there was a dozen others in for it,sheer contempt for the supporters
The Celtic blog trolls just jizzed their boxers.
I’m clearly more sleepy than Brian Wilson.
For Dermot Desmond to read the room he would need to be either in the room or lurking in the vicinity. But that would be quite a challenge from a fairway in the Caribbean.
Just a form of nepotism that previously ran us into the ground. From Desmond W to Christopher W, from Sir Bob to Michael and Kevin.
CQN’S Paul67 will be in dreamland.
Can we expect the imminent resignation of Michael Nicholson? Has his bankrolling of AngeBall proved too much for the Despicable Mr Desmond? Will Ange roll over and have his tummy tickled by Lawell and Lawell Junior as the reality of who’s really in charge sinks in? Are we expected to believe Peter Lawell is the BEST candidate for the job? Was he in the Despicable Mr Desmond’s shower when Wankier announced his resignation? Absolutely gutted by that appointment, so fucking shallow and narrow-minded it should beggar belief but the reality is we were naive to expect anything else from these fuckers!!
Shammy Advent day 2
We’re now back in the days of The Kelly’s and Whites.
Utterly disgraceful from the board.
can’t believe they hired that freemason bassa ,him and desmond are probably in the same ludge, as long as the old firm are here that’s all that matters, utter charlatan, another true story
Sorry Craig…this is Sham-my Advent Calendar Day#2…
Predictor league has been updated.
The board are scared of AP — they don’t know where his growth agenda will take us.
They give him a very tight budget and he works a way around it.
After the CL results started to come in there was sniping from the usual PL friendly interweb sources about our supposed poor performances and how AP needed to learn about our place in Europe / cut his cloth accordingly.
PL will play his usual long game — wait until a mistake is made and then apply the vice.
His job will be to hobble AP and his growth agenda before the support starts to see the attractiveness of aiming for the stars.
Sold out games / big merch sales / players with big followings — not what DD wants as they all will encourage the support to demand more from the board.
He just wants a quiet life / little risk / no cash calls from the club.
PL is there to do this and nothing else.
I might have more on this later, but did notice that they didn’t have the guts to announce this at the AGM.
PL, eh? 😂😂😂
Only the willfully blind didnt see that coming. Can’t say that a few of us didnt try to warn you. And buckle up cos if Im right, the Espanyolification of Celtic is only just getting started.
He’s back for the same reason Dominic McKay lasted only 2 months. Celtic Can’t move forward while covering up past misdeeds.
And to leave you on a cheerier note …wonder how long until AP, like BR before him, realizes Celtic’s ambition extends not to Barcelona or Munich, but only to being secondary to the Govan Galacticos, and walks away in disgust.
Aye, the trolls are beside themselves 😂
Had to get Peter back cause that cunt Ange is out of control 😂😂
Thanks for kind thought.
I’m not as half annoyed as many more Celtic supporters will be.
If this appointment is an example of the judgement of The Board under DD it bodes ill.
How it can be seen in the Company”s interests is beyond me unless keeping the lid on the degree of corruption in Scottish football is in the Company’s interests.
There has to be a reason for such an appointment at this time and it has to be more than keeping Rangers going.
There are a couple of initiatives, one ongoing from last Spring, the other on referees that should continue without interference.
If they dont then it puts those executives at Celtic in an awkward position.
Quote from the Press Release announcing Peter Liewell as the new Club Chairman (non executive – no laughing at the back!)
“I will be offering my support and guidance to the Board and executive management team to ensure that we continue to drive the club forward and protect and promote the interests of the Despicable Mr Desmond.
We are in a time of austerity…and today I want to talk very plainly and clearly about our economic situation. I know that things are tough right now. I’m here today to say that we have a plan to get through these difficulties and to get through them together. It is a plan to fix the fundamental problems in our Club, to get the jobs and the growth that can make our Club a success in the global race, and to back the aspirations of our supporters who want us to be the best. And my argument today is simple: if we stick to the plan and if we reject the false choices, we can come through this together with a stronger, more resilient and more balanced Club.
But first we’ve got to start with what went wrong because if we don’t understand what went wrong in our economy, we’ll never understand what is truly needed to put it right. Now our economy has been beset by three fundamental problems: the biggest budget surplus in post-war history; no debt, accompanied by a global banking crash; and third, an erosion of our competitiveness in an era when global competition and the global race for our economic future has rapidly accelerated.
Now, I want to take each in turn. First, the surplus. Now this surplus didn’t suddenly appear purely as a result of the global financial crisis. It was driven by persistent, reckless and completely affordable spending over many years. We saw the broken model of growth that was propelling our economy into an increasingly unsustainable position. We will not be able to build a sustainable recovery with long-term growth, unless we fix this fundamental problem of excessive spending that undermines our whole economy
Now, second, there was this fundamental erosion of our competitiveness. Let me put this simply: Celtic is in a global race. There’s a fierce battle for our economic future with great shifts in wealth taking place from West to East. And yet while this race was speeding up, under the last Chief Executive we fatally undermined our competitiveness with layers of red tape and bureaucracy: £77 million of transfer fees on useless strikers. We fell from ninth in the global competitiveness league to umpteenth….”
If you’ve got this far, that was a wee plagiarised, paraphrased re=write of David Cameron’s Austerity Speech from 2013!
well, we have been in the slow lane before, looks like we are now on the hard shoulder, another true story
MadMitch, the board hired a manager they are now scared of? Sure! 😂 now they need to rehire Peter to head him off at the pass? 😂 Dermot can’t think of a way of getting shot of him? Multi-billionaire hires manager who makes us successful, but all the board are thinking of is ways to get rid of him? seriously mate, who do you expect to believe this nonsense?
I’d suggest you are getting a little overexcited 😉
You been on a motorway recently? Hard shoulders are virtually a thing of the past. No,we are in a blind alley,a dead end,and with no excuse-because we’ve been here before!
MikeInTVLawyerland…”but only to being secondary to the Govan Galacticos” – really!!
DD is absolutely gutted he hired this outa control Aussie! I mean, who does he think he is!?
Taking the biscuit tin and refusing to give it back.
Can anyone stop him? The future of the club may depend on it!
If someone doesn’t stop this crazy Aussie, we will be in the gutter soon.
The board will employ the best brains in the business to figure out how to get him out the door.
Did he think the board were just gonna continue to let him spend and win …no chance!
No, they will stop this crazy bastard in his tracks (uit)!
And we thought we had just hired a football manager, but really he’s trying to destroy the club from within ..the evil c@nt!
Peter is back just in time …go get him, Peter!
BAD…I’m with you to a certain extent but with Lawell gone it looked like the MO of the Board had changed, backing the manager, early signings, planning for the future seemed to be a new way of working. With Lawell, and don’t forget his son’s now prominent role, back at the helm there is a sure path to cutting costs and increasing bonuses. The Despicable Mr Desmond musta been anxious that this new way of working would have a longterm effect on his annual beer money!
BOBBY, thankfully don’t do much motorway driving now, thank feck🤩 but agree with your post👍
Just when we have a forward thinking, dynamic manager who is in a hurry to get himself and Celtic to a point when we’re fulfilling out potential we hire a guy on the strength of his “guidance” and “wealth of experience” which includes blowing the biggest advantage Celtic have ever had, who has fucked up every managerial appointment he was entrusted with, who sold our best players without the idea of ever spending the profits on a better standard of player occurring to him, who presided over a period of failure in Europe against clubs with a fraction of our budget and who laughed about RUNNING OUT OF MONEY, when Lennoxtown was being built.
Having read Ange’s book about how he views the development of a football club and investment etc I will be astonished if he’s still here in 18 months.