Happy New Year-Just!

Morning,all.

It’s a rare thing to get a late equaliser at the bigotdome,yet still come away disappointed. But that pretty much summed it up for me-though the devil is in the detail. We had selection issues prior to the game as both full back positions were blighted by injury or lack of recent game time,and one or two other areas were questionable due to lack of recent form. Additionally,reports of a bug troubling some of the squad didn’t help to make Ange’s selection any more straightforward.

Greg Taylor was chosen to play despite his recent injury concerns,and Alistair Johnson made his debut at right back. Matt O’Riley kept his place despite his recent dip in form,and the return of Reo to his favoured role meant no place for the in-form Aaron Mooy. Additionally,Jamesie was given another chance to shine at a place he has struggled in the past. To rather mixed returns…

We started off like a house on fire,with Maeda onto a misplaced pass to finish easily. And as the home side looked increasingly rattled,it seemed only a matter of time before we added to that-even if our domination wasn’t resulting in any clear cut chances. That all changed after twenty minutes or so,the game probably hinging more on two incidents in a short space of time than the two other incidents which followed later.

Firstly,GT went down after a challenge and had to be replaced. Twenty minutes gone,and we had a right back playing left back and a debutant on the other side! JJ has played there before,but I doubt he will be asked to do so again. Maybe his worst performance for us,but there were others not having their best game either. Joe Hart made a howler after thirty minutes,and despite his resulting save,the momentum had gone. 

Matt was another not at his best. And he was subbed for Mooy after an hour.

The ship steadied a bit after that,but the damage was done. JJ got caught on the break,too far forward,and as the defence shuffled to the side to cover,Kent was left unmarked on the far side. It was a similar break seconds later which left Starfelt with a covering tackle,adjudged a penalty by Beaton. 

A far more obvious one,blatant handball by Goldson,was simply refused. We will never know why,as Beaton has no requirement to explain. And we have no need to ask either!!!

Freshening things up with Mooy,Jota,G-Mak andAbada gave us some impetus,but little penetration. And with us hunting for an equaliser,we were exposed in midfield. But we didn’t panic,and a combination of the first three saw the ball break to Kyogo. Only three minutes left,and no time for the faint of heart,he promptly buried the loose ball.

Celtic fans everywhere hit the roof! So,of course,did huns everywhere,if for different reasons. And so it ended,2-2 and happy enough with it. The result certainly suits us better than them. They will be wondering how they didn’t make their period of dominance matter,and they need look no further than Fat Boy-TM Greg Taylor-for the answer. A difficult fixture negotiated,not least because of the selection issues facing Ange beforehand. I’d be delighted if asked at the start of the season about our current lead. And yes,I’m delighted now!

Let’s hope our injury and sickness problems clear up quickly though. 

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BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 3, 2023 8:48 am

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BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 3, 2023 8:49 am
Jobo Baldie
January 3, 2023 9:13 am

Good morning, friends.
A fair summation of yesterdays game Bobby. 20 minutes in I was already thinking about how I’d spend my winnings as Sevco seemed truly awful at the back. But we failed to capitalise and let them back into it. A bit ironic that having moaned for months about the number of chances we were creating but failing to take, yesterday we had a meagre 2 shots on target yet scored 2 goals!
Not disappointed with how the league table looks this morning. And our fans are probably waking up a lot happier than theirs.

ASWGL
January 3, 2023 10:05 am

As much as I hate that mob, I’m not sure it was a penalty, Goldson wasn’t making his body un-naturally bigger, I’d say it was a reflex action at protecting his face. We could argue all day till the coos (™ Prestonpanbhoys) come home, would it have been given the other way, still ‘n’ all 9pts is what keeps them hurting, and a fair assessment of the game BMCUW.

Very Impressed with Johnston, looks a battler.

HH

JimDom
January 3, 2023 10:13 am

If my son’s shouting-at-the-telly-o-meter is anything to go by, then we lost that game 5-2. But we didn’t, and his reaction was just one of youthful frustration when Celtic are not three up after 15 minutes. In any game. I thought we would have the cops at the door after the decibel level went off the scale when Hart had his latest brain fart. The house is detached, thankfully.

Those of us with over 40 years experience of this fixture will have taken a more measured response as the game unfolded. We were poor but they didn’t have the weapons to bury us, so, we were never out of it . Once it went to 2-2, bluenoses throughout the land probably expected a late winner, but not for them.

The challenge for the manager now, will be to keep everyone focuses and motivated. No European football to look forward to is a major disappointment. 2023 needs to be the year when Celtic demonstrate a capability of winning matches against good quality opponents.

Leftclicktic
January 3, 2023 10:32 am

Gooooooood morning all
9pts and 20 goals clear.
Not a bad place to beCSC

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 3, 2023 10:34 am

With 80 minutes on the clock,I pointed out to our table that,according to Gerrard,Rangers would have won nearly every game if they only lasted that long. And that Billy Connolly reckoned that Celtic only kicked into gear when the fat lady started warming up.

Not good for the blood pressure,but very good for the adrenalin and seratonin levels!

(Though give me a five goal lead at half time every day of the week)

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 3, 2023 10:34 am

Morning,LEFTCLICKTIC. Damn right!!!

St tams
January 3, 2023 10:42 am

A fair summation of yesterday Bobby.
Would like to highlight a couple of points.
We had a left back on the bench whi vost £3.5m , why wasn’t he put on?
Why isn’t Ange proactive, rather than reactive.
After a strange starting 11, it should have been changed at halftime with Forrest and O’Riley hooked for Mooy and Abada, not at 60mins.

I said to my brother and son that Hart worries me and he didn’t let me down. That moment changed the flow of the game.

Happy with the draw , but not the performance.

Auldheid
January 3, 2023 10:54 am

Margaret McGill
Auldheid did you watch the game today?
Utter fuckin cheating
What rope are you talking about?
Are the shareholders of the rope published somewhere for peer review?

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Mags.

It’s lawyers I was talking about. With every passing match more evidence to support a charge emerges.

A charge of cheating will not be made because it depends on proving motivation which is’nt written down but rules are and if they are being applied wrongly then a charge of incompetency can be made.

That’s how it works in legal land. Go forward on a wrong basis and we would be ridiculed to which some might say ” So what”

I’d say has anything changed as refs piss themselves laughing.

Prestonpans bhoys
January 3, 2023 10:57 am

Aswgl
We could argue all day till the coos (™ Prestonpanbhoys) come home

You mean this🐄🐄🐂!!

Craig 76
January 3, 2023 10:58 am

ASWGL
I disagree, by Goldson having his arms up in front of his face he as impeded the direction of the ball, therefore a foul and penalty
https://twitter.com/tirnaog_09/status/1610187386549420038?s=20&t=RF6DWlrSOdXv4leFik0Ve

ASWGL
January 3, 2023 11:05 am

Craig hey I’ll take a penalty all day for us, but the rules state that if you’re protecting your face as a natural reflex no penalty should be given as you’re not making your body bigger.

HH

Jobo Baldie
January 3, 2023 11:15 am

Bobby (if you’re around) – you have mail. Well, Sentinel Celts have mail…. 🙂

Matt
January 3, 2023 11:15 am

Just gone Midnight here in Auckland. Now 4th of January.

Watched game in Father Ted’s at 1.30am and drained last dregs of Guinness at 3.30am.

For the previous couple of hours or so the streets were probably calm, but a storm was raging indoors…. and then as the clock on the screen ticked to 85mins, everything went quiet and on came our secret weapon…so secret….so hidden in plain sight… Sands.

A wind suddenly blew through the open windows carrying a voice from another dimension.

“Go on lhad. Remember what yer great-uncle Bobby telt ye”.

I could see the young fella looking up to the skies as he entered the fray and made the sign of the ‘H’.

And so it came to pass…..trap ….dribble…. shoot and….. score.

The cameras didn’t catch him smiling……oh but he did.

Hail hail

Matt

Frodshambhoy
January 3, 2023 11:27 am

I’ve said it before on here.
I was always taught that if you protect your face with your hands it’s a free kick / penalty.
If you have time to raise your hands you have time to get out of the way of the ball.
Can anyone confirm the rule.

Auldheid
January 3, 2023 11:30 am

Good match day report but we do not know that Celtic are doing nothing about VAR and referees so we night urge them to get a move on but not say they are inactive.

I posted this last night and I’ll repost with the hope that it puts some balance into the criticism by setting out how things work in Scottish football.

The originator I suspect posted it based on a conversation with one of the legal teams inside Celtic.

It then becomes a matter of trust but It ties in with the reason I was given for the delay on The Foundation announcement which was the legal guy was busy dealing with the referee VAR issue.. I had to trust him, cut him some slack and he came good on The Foundation announcement so I trust what was reported in the following:
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Celtic have been professionally monitoring the refereeing and VAR performances as I understand it.

They review the footage and then they ask the SFA to explain how the rules were interpreted and applied in each individual incident.

They then have the responses professionally assessed and in that way they build a case file showing how and when the rules are improperly interpreted or not applied properly or where the interpretation is technically incorrect or where they are inconsistent with other decisions.

That way the SFA and the referees know they are constantly unde review and that their inconsistencies and mistakes can be reported and demonstrated to other clubs, UEFA or whoever.

No point in being paranoid if you don’t actually do something about it in a professional evidence based basis!
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Emotions run high especially during and after a game v them. I didnt watch precisely because dubious referee decisions send my heart beats per minute way too high (as do misplaced passes under no pressure.) but at the end of the day the only action worth taking is action that works to achieve its objective.

16 roads
January 3, 2023 11:38 am

VAR hasn’t helped Postecoglou’s men.

“It is now becoming apparent that the subjective nature of so many decisions in football will mean VAR won’t strain the Scottish game of contentious calls. It was unfathomable for Willie Collum manning VAR for the derby not to consider that Connor Goldson slapping the ball with hands above his face wasn’t a penalty incident referee John Beaton should be called over to his pitchside monitor to take a look at. The handball rule is a mess, but there is no precedent for a penalty not being given when hands placed in this area make contact with the ball. Indeed, what reason beyond getting hands in the way of the ball – even if a natural defensive reaction, which the rules make no allowance for – could be given for this ‘unnatural’ position in terms of the body’s biomechanics?

Collum must also have been away for a rich tea and a cuppa when Beaton awarded Rangers a 52nd minute penalty after Carl Starfelt slid along the box to block as Fashion Sakala appeared to shape to cross. In real time, it seemed a clear penalty, and correct decision from Beaton, Starfelt appearing to have made contact with the striker. However, replays showed that it was actually his opponent who initiated the contact. Sakala planted his foot on Starfelt’s trailing leg to become unbalanced. The defender had not slid into him, crucially, but alongside him. VAR should have cleared that up and helped Beaton out. Instead, Ange Postecoglou’s men were left with yet more gripes about a system that has caused them only grief in the two months since it arrived in Scottish football.”

Andrew Smith, The Scotsman.

ASWGL
January 3, 2023 11:40 am

Frodshambhoy, this is what I can find.

A defender puts their hands in front of their face as a reflex action to protect their face and the ball hits their hands. What is the correct decision?

IFAB: The referee allows play to continue as the hand position was the result of the player’s natural reflex movement and did not make the body unnaturally bigger.

Frodshambhoy
January 3, 2023 11:48 am

ASWGL
I’ve found stuff that says definite penalty and others that say it’s up to the ref to consider the circumstances.
What is sure is that there’s been a few handballs in Huns penalty area and not one penalty awarded.
What’s also sure is that the hands were used to put a massive deflection on the flight of the ball. He didn’t just put his hands up in front of his face. He pushed the ball away. Had the ball hit him it would’ve still been in play in the penalty area.

fan
January 3, 2023 11:49 am

One lesson that should be taken from yesterday is that it is impossible to defend the rangers in the box as referees like Beaton and his brethren’s interpretation hand a 70/30 advantage to them.
Defenders are reticent to engage them giving time for a shot and often when anyone does they have prolific divers which has obviously been coached as part of their game plan.
Once our defense started to retreat early in second half the warning signs where there.
Disappointed that it is an issue that our coaches have not addressed.
Angeball has plenty of success but if we are to grow the flaws in system have to be remedied.
Also think they have been too tolerant of Harts continuing mistakes.
Time for Siegrist to be given a run.

Twisty
January 3, 2023 11:51 am

Frodshambhoy
The rule states if you use your hands to protect your face it’s no penalty. However, if your arms are in an unnatural position, eg, elbows facing out, therefore making your body larger, then it is a penalty.
Comes down to whether you believe his arm/elbows were making him bigger.

I’d bet Beaton hadn’t even thought about it this. He knew before kick off it wasn’t a penalty!!

fan
January 3, 2023 11:54 am

ASWGL
If Goldson could see flight of ball no reason to not just head it away.
His hands where thrust forward and upwards so used as a blocking tool.
A clear penalty ignored by a notorious cheat with a whistle and an uncle Tom who consistently chooses money over honesty.

fan
January 3, 2023 11:56 am

TWISTY
(I’d bet Beaton hadn’t even thought about it this. He knew before kick off it wasn’t a penalty!!)
100% Correct!

Auldheid
January 3, 2023 11:57 am

Call me Gerry

It’s all about opinions, of course. But, for me, it was a clear penalty. Starfelt slid in, missed the ball, and Starfelt’s foot prevented Sakala from planting his own foot, dragging it in such a way that he fell to ground. Note – No objections from our players. No objection or even a comment about it either from Ange post match. What does that tell you?
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I watched the Starfelt tackle in slow motion and because he never made contact with Sakala’s leg to bring him down, which is always a penalty I thought it fell into the ” never a penalty” category.

However you have put it into another light which says that the effect of the tackle, to cause Sakala to lose balance is how a referee would explain his decision if asked because the rules say so.

I raise because it is a good example of why Celtic’s methodology as set out earlier makes sense.

Get another referee with knowledge of the rules to provided independent advice.

The Goldson hand ball is challengeable based on no hand ball decisions ever been made against Rangers whilst puzzling ones have been made against Celtic or not given and other clubs in much less obvious circumstances. There was one in the Livi v Well match yesterday.

ASWGL
January 3, 2023 12:00 pm

Frodshambhoy kinda what Twisty says, fan he couldn’t judge the flight of the ball as he was leaning back and the ball headed upwards towards his face, anyway Beaton will always give them the benefit, Willie is a hun bottler after Gerrard complained about him, spilt milk n all that, no point in us complaining when our board won’t. I’m just stating what the rules say, don’t shoot the messenger and all that.

HH

Auldheid
January 3, 2023 12:07 pm

16 roads.

Good on Andrew Smith. A Tim at heart who kens a lot more about Scottish football skullduggery than he did 7 years ago when he took me to task on Res12.

ASWGL
January 3, 2023 12:13 pm

Auldheid I agree that Starfelt was in the ‘not a penalty’ either category, as Sakala stood on Starfelt’s foot which made him move in a sliding action, it was mere stupidity on CS decision to not stay on his feet, either our defensive coach JK hasn’t done his work or CS has not listened, to advice, not to tackle someone in the penalty area unless you are 100% certain of getting the first foot to the ball, they live for these contentious moments, and aided by Brother Beaton it’s only going to go one way.

HH

Auldheid
January 3, 2023 12:15 pm

ASWGL

The individuals at Celtic who report to The Board are making sure The Board have something to complain about.

Referees are a shower of cheating bassas wont work on it’s own.

bournesouprecipe
January 3, 2023 12:16 pm

How VAR can they go Uncle Tom?

They’ve successfully survived the first Co quarter and all bets are off, to infinity and beyond. Celtic’s only close rival as predicted by many, are officially referee’d to an embarrassingly exposed different level.

Carl Starfelt or Conor Goldson play the same positions but for very different clubs. We didn’t need VAR for Carl’s ‘foul’ we did for at least one of Conor’s blatant handballs, but didn’t get a sniff.

Celtic were openly cheated no ‘current’ Scottish referee is going to crucially VAR against Sevco, any time soon. Every Scottish supporter has been waiting since October when the circus began and not only have none gone against, despite a myriad of handball claims, none have even been called for review and scrutiny.

Despite thousands and thousands of supporters and our pounds, we’re still waiting on VAR for Sevco as Scotland degenerates to the land of music hall joke.

Young modern supporters, young modern CEO earn your bonus from within the same trench the rigged game is demonstrated week in week out. Stop the funding the SFA are not fit for purpose, oh and Uncle Tom is dead.

MOM Reo Hatate

16 roads
January 3, 2023 12:20 pm

Auldheid

16 roads.

Good on Andrew Smith. A Tim at heart who kens a lot more about Scottish football skullduggery than he did 7 years ago when he took me to task on Res12.

January 3, 2023 12:07 pm

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The game is as corrupt now as it was back then.

SameAsItEverWasCSC.

HH.🍀

maccargo
January 3, 2023 12:24 pm

The old ‘unique angle’ footage from yesterday…

McCaff
January 3, 2023 12:44 pm

Afternoon all! With regards to the Starfelt penalty there’s an incredible amount of decision making in an incredibly short space of time but the crucial decision is that Cheatin’ decided he fouled Sakala! The video evidence he either refused to watch or didn’t get a chance to (one tweet I saw last night says there’s footage of Cheatin’ saying something along the lines of “no need for VAR it’s a penalty”, paraphrased of course.) The facts are though that Starfelt is allowed to mistime his slide. He doesn’t need to win the ball. He is permitted to just do enough to put off Sakala, he is permitted to do just enough to block a shot or low cross. Sakala realises Starfelt has slid in and quickly attempts to cut the ball back to his left foot after trying to go on his right. He’s going too fast and his right foot inadvertently stands on Starfelt’s sliding foot causing his legs to stretch and the chance to get the ball with his left is gone. There’s no point in this process that Starfelt makes any contact with Sakala. Irrespective of whether Cheatin’ thinks there’s contact there is none which could be clearly seen on any image from any angle. Collum shoulda called it for review – mibbe he did mibbe he didn’t! We’ll never know. But, it shoulda been reviewed as there was no foul!!!

Bluegrass Celt
January 3, 2023 12:44 pm

If the Celtic board’s collated VAR decisions have been presented to the SFA for review and their responses filed, clearly the SFA have either employed a Perry Mason type legal eagle to back themselves up or they’ve given Celtic the usual short shrift as per.
As far as I can see, the strange decisions are getting worse, the opposite from what you’d expect from an organisation allegedly under scrutiny.
Not paranoid enough I reckon

Frodshambhoy
January 3, 2023 1:05 pm

IFAB Laws of the Game 2022-23
FA HANDLING THE BALL
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.

It is an offence if a player:

• deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball

• touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised
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“deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball”

Isn’t that what Goldson did?

The Gombeen Man
January 3, 2023 1:19 pm

Any remaining questions about Michael Beale’s decision to join Sevco were answered yesterday. A gig at Ibrox guarantees the assistance of those charged with officiating the conduct of the game. Beale saw exactly how things are done in Scotland, during his previous stint at Ibrox.

The laws of the game and the laws of the land are applied differently when it comes to Ibrox. The bias of Scotland’s establishment and Celtic’s reliance on the Old Firm model, gifts Beale with a unique opportunity.

Last season, Sevco’s one domestic success came courtesy of a below par performance by Celtic and a stellar exhibition of the dark arts by Bobby Madden in the Scottish Cup Semi-final.

Those were pre-VAR days of course.

Yesterday’s encounter was marred by an apparent bug that seemingly forced Ange’s hand and by the fact that John Beaton and Willie Collum appear to have taken Hugh Keevins’ weekend article in the Sunday Mail as a licence to ignore the IFAB ( International Football Association Board) VAR Protocol.

“VAR has also caused referees, in my opinion, to cease thinking for themselves, instead letting machinery handle the decision-making process on their behalf.”

Hugh Keevins.

Mr Beaton didn’t exactly think for himself. His conditioned mindset thought for the ‘countless millions of bears across the globe.’

Offside is what is generally called a factual decision. So long as there is no complicating factor (like Abada’s goal a couple of weeks ago.) The VAR guy reviews the footage, manually puts the lines on the screen and makes a factual judgement.

Yesterday’s game was about subjective decisions.

1) Any discussion about the application of VAR assumes that the officials are acting honestly.

2) If the officials are acting with integrity the following is what’s supposed to happen according to the VAR Protocol.

“The referee`s original decision will not be changed unless there was a ‘clear and obvious error’ (this includes any decision made by the referee based on information from another match official e.g. offside).

– Decisions that ‘jump out’ as wrong.

“The referee is the only person who can make the final decision; the VAR has the same status as the other match officials and can only assist the referee.”…

“If the ‘check’ indicates a probable ‘clear and obvious error’ or ‘serious missed incident’, the VAR will communicate this information to the referee, who will then decide whether or not to initiate a ‘review’.”

– VAR is only supposed to be about clear errors by the ref. If the ref is possibly wrong but it’s not clear, VAR shouldn’t intervene.

– Clear and obvious errors.
– Serious missed incidents.

The VAR official can’t overrule the ref. The ref is the boss.

This is all common sense stuff, the problem arises when there’s doubts about the integrity of the referee.

If he’s making relatively close calls in the favour of one club.

A) Re-Sevco penalty,

If the VAR guy (Willie Collum) felt there was no probable clear and obvious error, the VAR official doesn’t have to look any further.

We can debate all day long about the contact and if it was or wasn’t a penalty but unless it’s clearly a probable wrong decision, VAR should leave it.

Even though the guy acting as the VAR thinks it might be a wrong call, if it’s not ‘obvious and clear’. He/She leaves it alone.

– Even then the ref can refuse to conduct an onfield review.

– Or conduct the review and stick by his/her original call.

What views did VAR have? What was said to the ref? What was his response?

In my view Starfelt gave the referee a decision to make. Once a call is made, it’s got to be clearly and obviously a mistake. If there’s any uncertainty at all, it wasn’t going to be overruled.

B) If VAR felt that the decision not to award  Celtic a penalty for handball was either missed by Beaton or that he made a serious and obvious error, the VAR official tells the ref.

He (ref) then decides whether or not to review.

It’s not about a second ref, tidying up mistakes. It’s about reviewing potential clear and obvious errors, in four clear sets of circumstances, as defined in the Protocol.

If the ref agrees, the decision is changed.

There will always be contentious decisions, even possibly wrong decisions. Unless it’s clearly and obviously wrong there shouldn’t be a change to the original decision.

Any decision that we see reviewed ad nauseam by football pundits, isn’t really suitable for VAR. It’s supposedly only for things that are obvious and clear.

Readers can make their own minds up about whether Beatons’ failure to award a penalty constituted a serious obvious error.

Once the original decision is made it takes compelling evidence to overturn it. The ref has to acknowledge he missed something or made a serious error.

(Why no onfield review? Who made that call? What did VAR advise? What was Beatons’ response?)

If VAR is working properly, it’ll leave borderline decisions alone and only invite a second look in cases of probable, obvious errors/serious missed incidents.

– The conversations between VAR and the ref need to be made available to the paying public. Without that it’s not possible to review how accurately/consistently the VAR Protocol is being applied.

The problem isn’t VAR, it’s the human application of it and defining what constitutes a serious and obvious error. The latitude that the Protocol provides means dubious officials can interpret clear and obvious in an unfair manner.

They can even ignore evidence of a serious error.

In dishonest hands the serious obvious error threshold will always present the opportunity for the abuse of the Laws of the Game.

VAR’s highlighting poor communication, a lack of transparency and in yesterday’s case, asking questions about the failure to conduct onfield reviews by John Beaton.

The officials set the serious and obvious bar at a very high level yesterday, it will be interesting to see if their interpretation of the test becomes the norm in the SPFL.

VAR is supposed to be about consistency let’s see how the rest of the season goes.

VAR Protocol,

https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#procedures

The International Football Association Board developed the Protocol. It’s made up of 50% FIFA the other 50% are representatives of the four UK Home Nations.

England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales.

Ian Maxwell sits on the Board of Directors, of IFAB.

Crawford Allan is a member of the high-powered Technical Subcommittee.

IFAB,

“WE ARE THE INDEPENDENT GUARDIANS OF THE LAWS OF THE GAME .”

https://www.theifab.com/organisation/

 

16 roads
January 3, 2023 1:24 pm

November ’89 club was in turmoil after the Centenary season.
Older cousin got tickets for myself & my wee cousin to attend fixture against the old club at Celtic Park,Terry Butcher own goal,we beat them 3-1.
Few days prior to the game my uncle sadly passed away, and was due to be buried on the day of the Celtic game – we were resigned to the fact that we wouldn’t make Glasgow.
Well the night before,my Ma said to me – “just yous go to the Celtic match son, your uncle will understand.”

We set off from Belfast, and made it to Paradise – I was buying everything – best thing I bought was the Wullie Malloy Experience, Centenary E.P. cassette – played that tape non-stop for a year after.

My wee cousin was a Celtic fanatic,he was tragically killed in a motorbike accident a few years later, just turned 15 years of age.

Not long ago I actually managed to purchase the Centenary E.P. from Discogs,on vinyl.

Love this song, The Holy Ground:

https://youtu.be/x6POPMqG9tE

HH.🍀

16 roads
January 3, 2023 1:28 pm

We were robbed blind yesterday, that’s all there is to it.

Cheated.

They still couldn’t beat us though.

HH.🍀

IniquitousIV
January 3, 2023 1:32 pm

Rumours ( and of course who knows if they have any basis in reality ) that we failed to meet the modest asking price of $2.2M for Cho Gue-Sung.
If so, we should bid again. This is a ridiculously low asking price for a tall, physical, fast, athletic international player who knows his way to goal, and is brave, has a great leap and first class heading ability.
Go get him Celtic! He is a far better player than our two previous Korean players.

McCaff
January 3, 2023 1:35 pm

TGM… good detailed post! Integrity, honesty, bias!! Therein lies the problem.
We are being cheated. Subjectivity can be easily used to throw an argument one way or another but until consistency is shown to all teams integrity, honesty and bias are just forelock-tugging meaningless terms!
I’m with Auldheid in that we must expect the Club is making representations to the SFA about the way decisions are made (or not) but I’d also hope that if they are doing so they are also encouraging all other clubs to do the same!
We ARE being cheated, it’s too obvious to be anything else!

16 roads
January 3, 2023 1:42 pm

Hugh Keevins was funny yesterday anyway. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Laters.

HH. 🍀

The Gombeen Man
January 3, 2023 1:51 pm

McCaff,

Happy New Year,

I hope the family are well.

Thanks, I’m trying to help with the understanding of how VAR is supposed to work.

Without a level of understanding, Beaton and Co will continue to treat supporters with disdain.

If the integrity of the ref is in doubt he can dance around the VAR Protocol.
Still no penalties against Sevco this season?

It’s bizarre that Scotland has a permanent place on the Board of IFAB (The Guardians of the Rules of the Game) and such poor levels of integrity and transparency.

The positive is that VAR is putting these calls under more scrutiny.

VAR will prove Sevco are treated differently.

Back to earn my corn.

IniquitousIV
January 3, 2023 1:57 pm

As a team, I think we need a little more gamesmanship. We should have protested the Starfelt penalty, but without going overboard and incurring a yellow card. As Captain, Callum should have at least stepped up, spoken to Beaton, and indicated his opinion that the referee was in error.

More importantly, when Goldson blatantly handled, the whole team should have been yelling “Penalty!!”simultaneously with their arms up. Demand the ref ( as illustrated many times at the World Cup ) go to the monitor by drawing a rectangle in the air. Make an incident of it, so it is not ignored in media match reports. Make it harder for the refs to repeat the cheating, let them know you notice, show the world watching on TV that we are being cheated. Just don’t lie down like pussies and accept cheating and injustice. Shine some sunlight on the corruption and vociferously complain. Our limp acceptance ( and I include Ange’s silence, probably Board mandated ) is simply encouraging the cheating.

All that said, I have almost zero confidence we would have scored the penalty. Our latest taker, Mooy, scored the last one, but sclaffed it, bouncing along the ground, nowhere near the corner. Tavpen
( although he has missed a few ) generally makes them unsaveable, as he did yesterday.

Call me Gerry
January 3, 2023 2:05 pm

The Gombeen Man @ 1:19

Excellent post 👏

HH

Call me Gerry
January 3, 2023 2:17 pm

IniquitousIV @ 1:57

I agree, in that our players do not get vociferous at all when contentious decisions are made.
We could be more streetwise, and less naive than we currently demonstrate, without going overboard.
If most other teams try to influence referees, why shouldn’t we. Maybe an instruction from Ange? Who knows.

It was noticeable in real time that none of our players demonstrated any complaints to the ref when the Starfelt and Goldson incidents occurred yesterday.

HH

Chairbhoy
January 3, 2023 2:20 pm

To be frank, the Goldson handball is a definite penalty, I can’t see why it wouldn’t be.

Now, it’s clear that there was “defences” to hand ball back in the day that may have had some merit, ball to hand, self defence, ball played him

Yet Celtic have had several penalties given against them both in Europe and domestically for hand balls in and around the box – that strongly suggests these old school excuses have no merit in today’s game, where the attacking team generally get the benefit of the doubt in handballs.

Yet we are not even talking about such scenarios in the case of Connor Goldson yesterday at Ibrox.

Firstly making your body unnaturally bigger!? Who says the silhouette is from one angle and that angle alone, football is not a two dimensional game, it’s played in three dimensions (four if you include time).

Secondly Goldson approached the attacker, not only that, he approached the attacker to block his shot with leg extended and his arms out stretched if his foot didn’t block the shot his hands could.

If you look side on you can see the arms are in an unnatural position, the trajectory of the ball means it would have been much easier to have “defended” his face if a) he hadn’t charged down the attacker b) ducked his head or moved it to the side,

There is nothing natural or instinctive about charging down a ball with your arms extended outside the the action of making a block

Goldson could well have blocked the ball with his extended leg or foot, that would be within the laws of the game, but the ball missed his foot and hit his extended hands which blocked the shot, fine if you are a goalkeeper, other than that a penalty every day off the week.

Hail Hail

bada Bing 1
January 3, 2023 2:24 pm

posted the other day saying Collum was handpicked for VAR, as he wouldn’t say boo to a goose as far as anything against the huns, job done.We had that prk Walker,trying to re-write VAR situations,and Maloney as a trialist for a full time gig on Sportscene. You know that they are trying to defend the indefensible when Stuart Dougal gets wheeled out.

bada Bing 1
January 3, 2023 2:26 pm
Craig 76
January 3, 2023 2:30 pm

IniquitouslV
Tav Pen has scored as barrow load of penalties for sevco because they get way more than they should, and he gets plenty practice taking them, but he is a terrible defender and has probably cost them more goals than penalties scored 😀

Craig 76
January 3, 2023 2:33 pm

Bada Bing 1
I think it that’s a gaming van for playing video games, seems to be the latest gaming experience if your into that sort of thing