On the twelfth day of Christmas,BILLYBHOY sent to SC…
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Inspired by the 12 Days Of Christmas – I bring you the 12 days of Sevco. 12 events that show how we got from RFC to TRFC, each event adding a further layer to demonstrate that the club currently playing at Ibrox is NOT the same club that played there until May 2012.
1/ On Valentines Day in 2012 we finally received the news we had been expecting since Christmas time – Craig Whyte announces on the steps of Ibrox that RFC are going into administration.
2/ RFC are deducted 10 points due to going into Administration.
So, early evidence that it wasn’t the “Holding Company” or “Engine Room Subsidiary” that was ultimately Liquidated!
3/ RFC complete the season and following this virtually every first team player empties their lockers and leaves Ibrox under freedom of contract – only 4 players TUPE over to Charles Green’s new club .
Naismith and Whittaker appear on TV stating that they have no intention of signing up to the new club – Sevco.
Meanwhile, fans of RFC hold a “show liquidation the red card day” and then march to Hampden. I’m not quite sure if even they knew quite what they were marching for.
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t on account of a holding company no one has ever been made aware of.
4/ Charles Green (CG) sets up Sevco Scotland Ltd and tries to gain access to the SPFL. 12 teams – including RFC – vote and it’s overwhelmingly denied despite the best efforts of S Regan (SFA) and N Doncaster (SPL) .
5/ ND, SR and CG then try and have Sevco admitted to The Championship. This attempt is also thwarted, thanks to the efforts of Turnbull Hutton and Co.
They are eventually accepted into the fourth tier of Scottish Football – without the mandatory 3 years of audited Accounts.
6/ RFC are unable to honour a Testimonial match against Kelty Hearts as “neither the original or new club currently holds a License to play football” according to the Kelty Secretary.
7/ Sevco (now TRFC) acquire an unprecedented “Temporary License “ allowing them to compete in the Ramsden Cup.
8/ TRFC are not put forward to represent Scotland in European competition despite RFC finishing second in the SPL the previous season.
This shows that the SFA are treating TRFC as a NEW CLUB.
9/ TRFC are not seeded in the League Cup.
This shows that the SPFL are treating TRFC as a NEW CLUB.
10/ TRFC are not seeded in the Scottish Cup. All 12 SPL clubs from the previous season should be seeded. Instead, Livingston who finished 5th in the Championship are given a bye due to the disappearance of RFC.
This shows that the SFA are once again treating Sevco as a NEW CLUB.
11/ Rangers men line up to “wish the new club every success” including Walter Smith, Richard Gough, Mark Hately and Donald Finlay who says “the new club must create it’s own history”.
12/ Andrew Traverso at UEFA writes to Celtic Shareholders advising them that there was no need to impose sanctions on the Ibrox club “as the NEW CLUB/COMPANY were ineligible to compete in Europe for three years in any case”.
That’s a pretty emphatic statement from UEFA -and this letter was CC’D to Celtic and the SFA – that they are being treated as a NEW CLUB.
Isn’t it absolutely incredible that ALL of the above – except no 12 of course – was widely reported in the SMSM at the time yet we are constantly bombarded with “55” this and “Old Firm” that?
Perhaps, one day, we’ll all wake up and it will all have been a bad dream eh?🙄
Sentinel Celts has covered up for Lawwell hun tickets scandal just like CQN has done for 6 years.
Auldheid mugged over Res12 – silence about big lie priced tickets since 2016, Eye!
All seated Parkhead has removed the provisional wing of the Celtic support.
2 hun gemmes a handful of European gemmes then its back to the 51,000 library.
What good is that?
Plenty of trophies in a mostly one horse league since 2012.
2012 – 2022 and Johnny Hayes is still the best player in the SPFL outside of us.
Not allowed to talk about anything pertaining to outside of Celtic on here or CQN. Conditioned to be obedient sheep will lead to what?
Mugged in every off field showdown?
Conditioned to shrug the the shoulders and accept being mugged?
They’re all out to get you coz they know that you’ll shrug your shoulders and walk away.
And you’ll accept PLC silence on all matters, then you’ll throw tens of millions of £`s at the same PLC on renewal day, then you’ll all ask each other “Why do they keep screwing us at every turn?” but like 53k fans, the PLC just shrug they’re shoulders and walk away.
The PLC mindset is along similar lines to that of the Irish government, sleekit as fluk
BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
Brilliant,BILLYBHOY! You have a definite flair for this. Keep up the good work,and thank you very much!!!
ASWGL
Another good leader Billy Bhoy, even they know the 55 and same club, is a load of bollocks, but if you tell a lie long enough and all that nonsense, the more unbelievable the lie the better, I hope you don’t mind the images to add a bit of colour.
HH
The Gombeen Man
Billybhoy,
Two days of fantastic articles. A great blend of imagination and wit.
Thanks for the entertainment and reminders.
The revisionism is something else. It sometimes puzzles me why some folk seem to think the media’s misdirection is limited to football.
Anyway,
Mr name none @ 4.52.
In 1899 the Glasgow Observer newspaper published details of a dispute between a number of “wealthy local Irishmen” and the direction of the newly formed limited company at Celtic.
“Since the club was formed into a limited company many of the old guard have been excluded from any part of the management. The affair has assumed an aspect almost purely mercantile with dividends the objective. For this reason Celtic had lost much of the sympathy, which in the early years was freely given.”
The notion of Celtic as a purely charitable organisation was dead.
We’re all familiar with the part played by the first secretary- manager at Celtic, Willie Maley.
But, didn’t the great Willie Maley boycott Celtic Park for 13 years at the end of his Celtic career.
An unseemly dispute arose over the payment of tax on a 2500 guineas honorarium (presented to Maley at Celtic’s Jubilee Dinner at the Grosvenor Hotel in 1938), which resulted in the club refusing to pay the tax on their donation.
Willie Maley did not step back in Celtic Park for 13 years.
Ironically Rangers intervened in and helped patch up the dispute by inviting Willie to a Rangers v Celtic fixture at Ibrox.
What too about Willie’s fondness for the House of Windsor? His connections with the British military. Recruitment campaigns at Celtic Park for the bloodstained fields of France?
Willie’s politics were his own business, forged in his conditioning.
What about the exulted Tom Maley?
Tom was the guy who Brother Walfid and John Glass wanted to sign when they called at the Maley household. Tom was out. Willie was there and signed, Tom followed suit and later joined Celtic.
It was at Manchester City as secretary-manager, that noteriety arrived for Tom, in the shape of the 1904 Bribery Scandal.
Allegedly Tom Maley asked City player, Billy Meredith to bribe an opponent. Maley was initially banned for life for his part in the scandal.
An FA investigation uncovered a wave of improper payments at City, including gate receipts being paid directly into dirtectors bank accounts.
1904?
Former chairman (W. Forrest) banned from English football, two directors (Allison and Davies) suspended for seven months. A further five directors dismissed, and a total of 17 players banned from ever playing for the club again.
Tom was a good guy working in a corrupt game in 1904.
What about our greatest ever manager, Wasn’t Jock given the cold-shoulder when Billy got the gig? Didn’t Billy have a few difficulties before heading south himself?
Didn’t that mighty Celtic you crave so much almost go out of business?
Didn’t Fergus bail out Celtic and bulldoze the near derelict Jungle despite the boos from the real Celtic men.
Didn’t the PLC inherit the Boys Club issue? Whatever happened there, happened despite the Jungle.
Didn’t the ‘sleekit’ Dermot see the writing on the wall and put the brakes on while Rangers kept spending and careered over the liquidation cliff?
The Celtic you’re chasing never existed. It’s an image, a product of your imagination. Celtic and her support are flawed, both subject to the vagaries of the human condition.
Wasn’t Michael Davitt laughed at by Celtic supporters when he pronounced the club’s name with a K?
You’re version of Celtic is a mirror image of the mindset of Orangeman or the Union Bear. I’m sorry to say, you’re completely in denial of what the reality is.
Human nature can be sleekit. That sleekitness isn’t limited to any particular nationality, religion or philosophy.
It’s a utopia you’re chasing, it never existed. You’ve made Celtic into something it never was.
Come down from that pedestal. There’s 45,000 on a similar, skelfy pedestal at Ibrox every other week.
– If you look hard enough that anger is possibly based on something within.
Find and try to let go of whatever it is.
Faults we continually see in someone else are often a clue that there’s an issue within.
That’s often not our fault but the product of a conditioned belief system and possibly spiritual misdirection.
Some find peace by dropping the whole lot. Even the cycle of forgiveness, they find peace by stopping trying and just living with what life brings.
Anyhoo,
We’re a flawed club with a flawed support and the better for it.
Scratch below the thin veneer of anyone or anything and you’ll find flaws. The more engrained your moral code, the more flaws that you’ll find.
Scotland’s flawed, Ireland’s flawed, England, the Labour party, Tories, Sinn Féin, US, UN all flawed.
Celtic, Sevco, SPFL, SFA, UEFA, FIFA. All flawed.
Even you and me…
– So what?
We’ll leave the hypocritical, perfectionist nonsense to the peepul and their apologists in the media.
Tragically they’ll never know who they. Maybe that’s where their rage cones from?
-Who knows?
The beauty of Celtic is it’s willingness to accept folk for what they are. Flawed, untroubled by conceptual barriers like dogmas, philosophies, or belief systems. All are welcome.
The less fettered you become by beliefs and ideas the more comfortable you’ll become with who you are.
Anyway,
– Pedestals are skelfy and have a nasty habit of coming crashing down.
Jobo Baldie
Good morning, friends and a Big Happy Friday to all who post or lurk on here.
Great article Billy Bhoy. A few years ago there was an article I read that listed on an almost day by day basis the demise and death of the old club and then it’s impossible reincarnation. I’ll search for it later and maybe post a link.
One basic, simple thing that was always useful in arguments back then surrounded Steven Naismith. He was one of the players that was still under contract to Rangers but, as was his right, decided not to TUPE over to Charles Greens new club. Instead he signed for Everton. Why did Everton not have to pay any fee to his previous club? Simple – they were deid! Everton did not sign Naismith from Rangers. They just signed free agent Naismith.
Docs appointment – Aff oot 😉
CFC
A few thoughts provoked by your article BB.
When you are told you are “the second biggest institution in Scotland behind C o S”, and separately that “ there is an air of Protestant superiority about the place”, your sense of grievance/ recrimination when that self entitlement is fatally threatened is such that you go into survival mode.
Their apparatus for survival is the continuity myth.
An M O eagerly embraced in the most bizarre justification by a willing patsy media, controlled by those with a vested interest – the “Kingmakers”, as alluded to by TLR.
Rangers ( the second biggest institution) allies (not necessarily out of sporting interest)
are permanently placed at the top of every strata of every sector of Scottish society.
That much is patently obvious.
They were never going to fade away.
Socially, economically, politically too important a Scottish institution.
Unfortunately the bad dream is an historic reality in Bonnie Scotland.
GER57
Two in a row, Billybhoy. Bang on the button.
I wonder if Gary the bondholder goes to the newco games today. If so, then Sevco will survive no matter what. If not, then there’s a fair chance they might not.
Billy Bhoy. Excellent stuff but I feel it my duty to a mate to point out that the news broke on the 13th of Feb 2012 – a close friend who works for a legal firm was in court when he saw a document saying Rangers would be placed in Administration and used his nom de plume on one of the Celtic sites to break the news. Whyte made his ‘shitebag’ statement on the steps of Ibrox that Monday evening. The twisting and lies began on the 14th when Rangers and not HMRC got to pick the administrators
TGM
I think in life we all buy into the myths of what we like and care about- Celtic, punk rock, Scottish and Irish politics, the Church and the women* we love etc- because we like the children’s storybook version long into adulthood. But most of us learn to still love the things we do even when we find out they are as flawed as we ourselves are but still like the legends too.
Off to work now
Jimbo
*Or whatever your preference in that area is. I have merely chosen things I care about.
GER57
TGM
Yes, were all imperfect. Imagine how boring it would be otherwise?
And yes, Celtic have done many reprehensible things.
To function in today’s society, one must have a bank account, a phone, buy stuff made by slaves, damage the environment.
Celtic hold a special place in our hearts because they grew from within the Irish community in Glasgow, i.e. mostly our direct ancestors, in my case only two generations ago. Yes, it’s no longer a charity, but it’s the strongest possible symbol of the presence of the Irish diaspora in Scotland, whose fans welcome everyone to support us.
Most organisations with a long history have skeletons in the cupboard. They should all be faced up to, and dealt with appropriately.
Auldheid
BillyBhoy
Can you clarify the bit that says 3 years accounts required.
and bring in at that point that they started the first of 3 years SFA Membership under Art12 of UEFA FFP.
For readers I’ll explain. why.
It is 3 years Membership of SFA not 3 years accounts. This is a vital point in tackling the same club myth.
Rangers in administration did not get licence for 2012/13 because the did not have audited accounts for ONE year.
Sevco were ineligible to apply for a UEFA licence until the had been members of SFA for 3 years. They could not apply from 2012 because they were climbing the leagues but had they started in SPL in 2013 and got a UEFA qualifying position they still could not apply until they had served three years as a member of SFA.
The SFA did transfer Rangers SFA Membership to Sevco under the discretionary powers of an SFA Article with title Prohibition of Transfer of Member ship.
UEFA ignored and applied Art12 of FFP that contains the 3 year membership clause and defines a club in UEFAs eyes.
It shows that SFA prepared to ignore UEFA rules to create the same club myth.
In calling Sevco a new club (RFC Ltd )/ company (RIFC Plc (Company ) in his response to Res12 enquiry his reply was based on Art12 FFP now 14 in FSR whose purpose is to protect the integrity of UEFA competitions.
The SFA dropped that purpose and consequences have been that whatever integrity Scottish Football ever had was booted into touch and here we are as a result. A corrupt game.
PS it was a conditional Membership of SFA not temporary licence. Ultra vires Paul McConvile called it.The condition was that the 5WA was signed shortly after. In effect they made up that type of Membership.
Prestonpans bhoys
Billy bhoy
Thats a fine list with a important addition by Auldheid 👍
Name none
Must be difficult having so many multiple monikers on multiple blogs but well done Kevj👏
Jobo Baldie
Auldheid, just for my own understanding, had Sevco somehow managed to win the Scottish Cup in 2013 they wouldn’t have been eligible for Europe the following season, correct?
Awe Naw
Gianluca Vialli R.I.P
Auldheid
BillyBhoy
I think if you add 3yrs audited accounts ” under National Club Licencing as opposed to 3 year continuous SFA Membership under UEFA licencing” that makes the distinction that comes out later.
Auldheid
Jobo Balde.
We would have found out the answer for sure if Hibs had’nt won the cup.
Had Sevco won it would have triggered another UEFA FFP article (15) I think that allowed the SFA to put forward an application for a licence for UEFA to consider.
That application would have to take into account how UEFA saw Sevco status as a new club and for UEFA to consider what led to UEFA seeing them that way and would granting a licence on what would be sporting merit weaken or undermine the integrity protection purpose of their Art12.
I think how UEFA rejected a UEFA licence application to Derry City who made no pretence at being the same club as their predecessor and were able to apply having qualified to do so on sporting merit before the 3 years membership of IFA had been served, suggests to me Art12 would be paramount and SFA supported application rejected.
It’s a pity in a way Hibs won because the consequences of losing would have exposed the contradiction between SFA thinking and UEFA thinking and if it went as I suggest killed the same club myth.
Life wits it like?
Auldheid
Name None
Give it a rest Kev.
If anyone was mugged it was PL (Doncsster to PL e mail with 5WA attached and shareholders got their money back and donated it to charity.
David Low and CST were mugged by their own inaction.
Res12 had SFA with your ticket price campaign so stop trying to make a connection that exists only in your head.
I’ve noticed you switch your allegiance over the years and have backed the wrong horse at times.
Now gies all peace or change your thinking.
GER57
Auldheid
I thought about the new club issue in the run up to that final. Sunshine on Leith belted out by Hibs fans made me forget all about it.
The Gombeen Man
Jimbo @ 9.29
Thanks Jimbo,
“I think in life we all buy into the myths of what we like and care about.”
That’s a very perceptive post Jim. I don’t have time to do it justice atm.
There is a tendency to conceal the truth from ourselves. Anything to perpetuate those myths, despite sometimes irrefutable evidence to the contrary.
Sometimes that leads to scapegoating, other times we continue to do things that are harmful to ourselves and others.
I like the analogy with proprioception. The mechanism that keeps us walking and moving without falling over.
We don’t seem to have that when it comes to our thinking and conceal from ourselves the likely outcomes from our actions.
There’s certainly no form of mental proprioception when it comes to the thinking at Ibrox and the SFA.
Endless fun with their tripping over themselves.
Ger57,
Yes Ger, it’s a much better life being comfortable with ourselves and realising that there’s always a bigger picture.
It’s funny Manchester City in 1904 were never an establishment club. They’d shaken up the applecart and were taken down a peg or two.
Belief systems sometimes set up thresholds that few of us will reach.
Someone was told me, ” Saints are impossible to live with.”
I’ve looked quite a bit at mythology over the years and there’s very often a wisdom there that’s overlooked.
Anyway, over to 3pm tomorrow and await what the next masterclass in officiating.
…The really don’t like the notion of justifying their decision.
VAR really has put them in an uncomfortable position.
Till later.
Auldheid
TGM
I get all that on Celtic’s history and think there are lots of benefits to dropping judgements of what we perceive as flaws
However we dont get there overnight, it’s our experience if we examine it as it unfolds that takes us to that point of serenity and calmness.
The need for forgiveness falls away but is but one tool for getting there.
Once there we can shout to others come on in the water is lovely but they see sharks circling around us and only the experience of staying on the flawed beach being eaten by sand flies can persuade them to go for a swim.
Auldheid
Billybhoy
Another point on
This shows that the SFA are treating TRFC as a NEW CLUB. .
The reason Rangers were not put forward in 2012 is that they did not have one years audited accounts.
The reason Sevco were not put forward was being ineligible to apply for 3 years until SFA members for that period.
The latter shows that UEFA are treating Sevco as a new club. The SFA a year too late treated the Rangers application as it should but by 2012 the cat was out the bag and left their licensing people with no option.
This whole area is full of twists and turns where Membership a Licence got confused as well as accounts and Membership and I spent some time separating one from another over the years so I’m not criticising. I think once clarified your work deserves a wider audience.
The Gombeen Man
Auldheid,
Apologies just heading out.
Serenity and calmness are states of mind. Part of the belief system.
Like every other state, they come and go.
The surrendered mind doesn’t seek any particular state. Whatever happens, happens.
Something else that’s impossible to do…but another indication.
The search for serenity and calmess is another one of those myths. If it’s ever experienced we spend years searching for it again.
Like much of mythology the myth has value but it’s another indication.
Life’s Samsara.
Ups and downs.
– Just a collection of jumbled thoughts, in this post.-
Basically we’re not in charge.
Aff oot
Have a great day.
CBN has a good series on VAR, he’s got a pro-Ref from England reviewing VAR cases. Interesting discrepancy emerging between two clubs.
Auldheid
TMG
Someone was told me, ” Saints are impossible to live with.”
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I get that from the wife every day and I blame her not one bit. I’d leave me if I wasnt a reasonable cook.
The Gombeen Man
Auldheid,
Where do think I got it?
Till later.
Auldheid
Auldheid,
Where do think I got it?
Till later.
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It figures. Hows your cooking. 🙂
St tams
Billybhoy, great stuff once again.
That put a smile on my face today.
Bigrailroadblues and all attending the Shipbank today, have a great day.
Was hoping to make it down. But not feeling up to it.
HH
Bigrailroadblues
Good afternoon all from the Shipbank.
Bigrailroadblues
St Tams
That’s a shame fella. Mind you some of this rabble would make you feel worse. 🙄
Big Audio Dynamite
Just once I’d like to see a Celtic signing jet into Scotland.
We must still be using those old turboprop planes.
JimDom
When ABC Ltd goes into liquidation it tends to be as a result of a disappearing customer base and cash resources. Happens every day. The diminishing band of ABC customers will just shrug their shoulders and go shop at DEF Ltd. Very rarely is it a newsworthy story.
The administration, and subsequent liquidation of Rangers FC could not have been more different. Their customer base was entirely intact. Bluenoses everywhere were not about to shrug their shoulders and go and support their local team. The bond holder bloke beautifully sums up the mindset of the Ibrox diaspora. Rangers died ? Naw, don’t talk soft and don’t give me the oldco newco shit. That’s just Celtic fans on the wind up stuff.
If we rewind 29 years and Fergus McCann, and others with the financial clout, decided to keep their cheque books dry and let Celtic fall into administration, and subsequent liquidation, what mindset would the Celtic diaspora adopt in those circumstances ? An entirely hypothetical question, but one that is difficult to answer honestly.
Big Audio Dynamite
Great follow follow up to yesterday, Billy Bhoy. Imagine trying to explain Scottish football to an outsider, eh …they’d think you were making it up.
Bet the sticky buns miss the days when they were basically running a chauffeur service from Glasgow airport, straight to the front door of snake mountain, as mega stars would JET IN almost daily! I would love to see the other offers people like the De Boer bros would have had, before they decided they wanted to spend the peak of their careers playing against the likes of Falkirk, Kilmarnock and Dundee. Hmmm!!!
HH
Big Audio Dynamite
JimDom, if the last 10 years is any kind of indicator, Celtic would’ve had no problems filling Parkhead (if the worst had happened) I could do without Scottish football, no problem, but the idea of walking away from Celtic? Well, that’s a whole other thing entirely. I have contemplated all these questions many times since 2012, but Celtic have that hold over you, like nothing else (Outside of family) ever has.
Even though you know this is all totally irrational, you continue to do it year after year, cause …..erm, well, that’s the real question!
Would we tell ourselves we were still watching Celtic? I think you know the answer 😉
IniquitousIV
Great leader by BillyBhoy and first class responses from Auldheid, Gombeen Man and others.
I believe it took 9 or 10 years for Airdrie to be liquidated. The liquidators of Rangers Football CLUB
( emphasis added ) have spun out the process almost that long, gleaning fees from the carrion to the detriment of the creditors.
Eventually, the process will reach it’s inevitable conclusion, possibly this year, with the creditors receiving a paltry pennies to the pound.
It is going to be fascinating to observe how the lickspittle main stream media will report the final liquidation event, as the administrators are duty bound to report the expired organization as the Rangers Football CLUB.
I have little doubt that the media will still attempt to belie and obscure the facts by addressing the dead entity as the ‘previous company that ran the Club.’
Mahe
Billybhoy,
Really enjoyed these last two articles (and subsequent chat) so big thanks for that.
Cheers and Hail Hail.
Happy day of Frig y’all from a storm swept central California experiencing an atmospheric river apparently.
An excellent and obviously well researched leader. If anything, I prefer your take to ‘The Death of Rangers’ in 55 quotes. It is interesting that you mention the march to Hampden, and whether or not the Huns knew what they were marching for. This is not an uncommon occurrence among those of a Loyalist persuasion. I’ve always wanted to point out to Orange band members, that the Vatican actually supported King Billy in his battles with King James. I have not yet done so for two reasons:
1. Huns are not exactly known for listening to a reasoned, well thought out argument
and more importantly
2. I don’t particularly fancy being booted up and down Paisley Road West, for stating a point of view.
Anhoo, back to their March On Hampden. Reasoned observers put the turnout at 7,000, give or take.Think about that for a second. The support that claims to have one of the biggest, cough, cough, supports in world football, could only muster a fraction of their match day support, to protest the coming liquidation. Compare and contrast, with the actions of the Celtic support during the early-mid 90s. It is also a right laugh to ask two questions to Ibrox numpties, who deny that their club was liquidated in 2012:
If your club was not liquidated, why were there banners protesting against liquidation, at the final home game of the 2021-12 season?
If your club was not liquidated in 2012, why did 7,000 staunch souls march to Hampden in 2012, to protest the, by then, inevitable event?
As an aside Billy Bhoy, this march to Hampden took place on a Saturday, during the close-season, when there was nobody about at the National Stadium. Not the brightest are they? 😀
Thanks again, for a brilliant leader.
TGM
There are certainly a few uncomfortable truths in your post, but truths that must be told nonetheless.
bada bing1
Can’t see the board being too happy with that interview. Who gives an eff what those bams think anyway?
Thanks again for all the positive comments. They are much appreciated!
Magua
You gave me a real LOL moment. Well researched??
Truth is I got up for a pee at 4am the other morning and couldn’t get back to sleep. I can’t quite remember what set off the idea for this but two and a half hours later I had pretty much nailed it. I then had a couple of hours kip and after breakfast wrote it all down and fleshed it out a bit.
While I was working on this article and running through the numbers I kept imagining a pack of playing cards and that led me to almost simultaneously come up with the idea for yesterday’s article.
One of my hun neighbours went on the march to Hampden. Apparently, Sandy Jardine led it and the Govan Stand was later renamed in remembrance of the “man who saved our club”. Their delusion knows no boundaries! 🙄
Auldheid
Thanks for your valuable input. I don’t appear to have an edit option but by tomorrow the article will be history anyway. As Elvis Costello sang: ” Yesterdays news is tomorrow’s fish & chip papers”. However, I wanted to ask you: was it not the case that Sevco should not have been admitted into Div3 – jumping the Q ahead of Spartans etc – as they didn’t have 3 years of audited Accounts.
That seemed to be the argument at the time from my recollection.
I appreciate that you’re saying (i think) that the criteria for Europe was 3 years membership of the SFA?
If you would just write the bloody book we wouldn’t need to keep getting this stuff wrong! 😉
Jimbo
You’re absolutely right mate. But I had an A4 copy of the notice of Administration document in a frame on my desk back in the day and it proudly stated February 14 😀
ASWGL
Thanks for the visual aides!
Jobo
Very interesting point about the 2016 Cup Final. I now feel partly responsible for the SFA not being placed in a quandary. I watched the game with my son. When Hibs got that late corner I sank to my knees , clasped my hands together and said “If there’s a football God up there please do the honourable thing!”
My son said “aw FFS da, get up!” Seconds later he was rolling around the carpet with me!
OK Mahe and Bobby, that’s YOUR wee holiday over – back to work now! 😉
Magua
Billy Bhoy
However you managed it, the leader was a damn fine read.
Auldheid
I second the motion that Billy Bhoy just made. Get that book written.
Hail Hail.
Craig 76
Billy Bhoy
One of my hun neighbours went on the march to Hampden. Apparently, Sandy Jardine led it and the Govan Stand was later renamed in remembrance of the “man who saved our club”. Their delusion knows no boundaries! 🙄
I didn’t know they named a stand after Lawwell, they kept that quiet 😀🤣🤣
Napsters follow the link
https://sentinelcelts.com/2022/11/10/the-twisty-naps-competition-part-three
Sentinel Celts has covered up for Lawwell hun tickets scandal just like CQN has done for 6 years.
Auldheid mugged over Res12 – silence about big lie priced tickets since 2016, Eye!
All seated Parkhead has removed the provisional wing of the Celtic support.
2 hun gemmes a handful of European gemmes then its back to the 51,000 library.
What good is that?
Plenty of trophies in a mostly one horse league since 2012.
2012 – 2022 and Johnny Hayes is still the best player in the SPFL outside of us.
Not allowed to talk about anything pertaining to outside of Celtic on here or CQN. Conditioned to be obedient sheep will lead to what?
Mugged in every off field showdown?
Conditioned to shrug the the shoulders and accept being mugged?
They’re all out to get you coz they know that you’ll shrug your shoulders and walk away.
And you’ll accept PLC silence on all matters, then you’ll throw tens of millions of £`s at the same PLC on renewal day, then you’ll all ask each other “Why do they keep screwing us at every turn?” but like 53k fans, the PLC just shrug they’re shoulders and walk away.
The PLC mindset is along similar lines to that of the Irish government, sleekit as fluk
Brilliant,BILLYBHOY! You have a definite flair for this. Keep up the good work,and thank you very much!!!
Another good leader Billy Bhoy, even they know the 55 and same club, is a load of bollocks, but if you tell a lie long enough and all that nonsense, the more unbelievable the lie the better, I hope you don’t mind the images to add a bit of colour.
HH
Billybhoy,
Two days of fantastic articles. A great blend of imagination and wit.
Thanks for the entertainment and reminders.
The revisionism is something else. It sometimes puzzles me why some folk seem to think the media’s misdirection is limited to football.
Anyway,
Mr name none @ 4.52.
In 1899 the Glasgow Observer newspaper published details of a dispute between a number of “wealthy local Irishmen” and the direction of the newly formed limited company at Celtic.
“Since the club was formed into a limited company many of the old guard have been excluded from any part of the management. The affair has assumed an aspect almost purely mercantile with dividends the objective. For this reason Celtic had lost much of the sympathy, which in the early years was freely given.”
The notion of Celtic as a purely charitable organisation was dead.
We’re all familiar with the part played by the first secretary- manager at Celtic, Willie Maley.
But, didn’t the great Willie Maley boycott Celtic Park for 13 years at the end of his Celtic career.
An unseemly dispute arose over the payment of tax on a 2500 guineas honorarium (presented to Maley at Celtic’s Jubilee Dinner at the Grosvenor Hotel in 1938), which resulted in the club refusing to pay the tax on their donation.
Willie Maley did not step back in Celtic Park for 13 years.
Ironically Rangers intervened in and helped patch up the dispute by inviting Willie to a Rangers v Celtic fixture at Ibrox.
What too about Willie’s fondness for the House of Windsor? His connections with the British military. Recruitment campaigns at Celtic Park for the bloodstained fields of France?
Willie’s politics were his own business, forged in his conditioning.
What about the exulted Tom Maley?
Tom was the guy who Brother Walfid and John Glass wanted to sign when they called at the Maley household. Tom was out. Willie was there and signed, Tom followed suit and later joined Celtic.
It was at Manchester City as secretary-manager, that noteriety arrived for Tom, in the shape of the 1904 Bribery Scandal.
Allegedly Tom Maley asked City player, Billy Meredith to bribe an opponent. Maley was initially banned for life for his part in the scandal.
An FA investigation uncovered a wave of improper payments at City, including gate receipts being paid directly into dirtectors bank accounts.
1904?
Former chairman (W. Forrest) banned from English football, two directors (Allison and Davies) suspended for seven months. A further five directors dismissed, and a total of 17 players banned from ever playing for the club again.
Tom was a good guy working in a corrupt game in 1904.
What about our greatest ever manager, Wasn’t Jock given the cold-shoulder when Billy got the gig? Didn’t Billy have a few difficulties before heading south himself?
Didn’t that mighty Celtic you crave so much almost go out of business?
Didn’t Fergus bail out Celtic and bulldoze the near derelict Jungle despite the boos from the real Celtic men.
Didn’t the PLC inherit the Boys Club issue? Whatever happened there, happened despite the Jungle.
Didn’t the ‘sleekit’ Dermot see the writing on the wall and put the brakes on while Rangers kept spending and careered over the liquidation cliff?
The Celtic you’re chasing never existed. It’s an image, a product of your imagination. Celtic and her support are flawed, both subject to the vagaries of the human condition.
Wasn’t Michael Davitt laughed at by Celtic supporters when he pronounced the club’s name with a K?
You’re version of Celtic is a mirror image of the mindset of Orangeman or the Union Bear. I’m sorry to say, you’re completely in denial of what the reality is.
Human nature can be sleekit. That sleekitness isn’t limited to any particular nationality, religion or philosophy.
It’s a utopia you’re chasing, it never existed. You’ve made Celtic into something it never was.
Come down from that pedestal. There’s 45,000 on a similar, skelfy pedestal at Ibrox every other week.
– If you look hard enough that anger is possibly based on something within.
Find and try to let go of whatever it is.
Faults we continually see in someone else are often a clue that there’s an issue within.
That’s often not our fault but the product of a conditioned belief system and possibly spiritual misdirection.
Some find peace by dropping the whole lot. Even the cycle of forgiveness, they find peace by stopping trying and just living with what life brings.
Anyhoo,
We’re a flawed club with a flawed support and the better for it.
Scratch below the thin veneer of anyone or anything and you’ll find flaws. The more engrained your moral code, the more flaws that you’ll find.
Scotland’s flawed, Ireland’s flawed, England, the Labour party, Tories, Sinn Féin, US, UN all flawed.
Celtic, Sevco, SPFL, SFA, UEFA, FIFA. All flawed.
Even you and me…
– So what?
We’ll leave the hypocritical, perfectionist nonsense to the peepul and their apologists in the media.
Tragically they’ll never know who they. Maybe that’s where their rage cones from?
-Who knows?
The beauty of Celtic is it’s willingness to accept folk for what they are. Flawed, untroubled by conceptual barriers like dogmas, philosophies, or belief systems. All are welcome.
The less fettered you become by beliefs and ideas the more comfortable you’ll become with who you are.
Anyway,
– Pedestals are skelfy and have a nasty habit of coming crashing down.
Good morning, friends and a Big Happy Friday to all who post or lurk on here.
Great article Billy Bhoy. A few years ago there was an article I read that listed on an almost day by day basis the demise and death of the old club and then it’s impossible reincarnation. I’ll search for it later and maybe post a link.
One basic, simple thing that was always useful in arguments back then surrounded Steven Naismith. He was one of the players that was still under contract to Rangers but, as was his right, decided not to TUPE over to Charles Greens new club. Instead he signed for Everton. Why did Everton not have to pay any fee to his previous club? Simple – they were deid! Everton did not sign Naismith from Rangers. They just signed free agent Naismith.
Docs appointment – Aff oot 😉
A few thoughts provoked by your article BB.
When you are told you are “the second biggest institution in Scotland behind C o S”, and separately that “ there is an air of Protestant superiority about the place”, your sense of grievance/ recrimination when that self entitlement is fatally threatened is such that you go into survival mode.
Their apparatus for survival is the continuity myth.
An M O eagerly embraced in the most bizarre justification by a willing patsy media, controlled by those with a vested interest – the “Kingmakers”, as alluded to by TLR.
Rangers ( the second biggest institution) allies (not necessarily out of sporting interest)
are permanently placed at the top of every strata of every sector of Scottish society.
That much is patently obvious.
They were never going to fade away.
Socially, economically, politically too important a Scottish institution.
Unfortunately the bad dream is an historic reality in Bonnie Scotland.
Two in a row, Billybhoy. Bang on the button.
I wonder if Gary the bondholder goes to the newco games today. If so, then Sevco will survive no matter what. If not, then there’s a fair chance they might not.
Morning
Billy Bhoy. Excellent stuff but I feel it my duty to a mate to point out that the news broke on the 13th of Feb 2012 – a close friend who works for a legal firm was in court when he saw a document saying Rangers would be placed in Administration and used his nom de plume on one of the Celtic sites to break the news. Whyte made his ‘shitebag’ statement on the steps of Ibrox that Monday evening. The twisting and lies began on the 14th when Rangers and not HMRC got to pick the administrators
TGM
I think in life we all buy into the myths of what we like and care about- Celtic, punk rock, Scottish and Irish politics, the Church and the women* we love etc- because we like the children’s storybook version long into adulthood. But most of us learn to still love the things we do even when we find out they are as flawed as we ourselves are but still like the legends too.
Off to work now
Jimbo
*Or whatever your preference in that area is. I have merely chosen things I care about.
TGM
Yes, were all imperfect. Imagine how boring it would be otherwise?
And yes, Celtic have done many reprehensible things.
To function in today’s society, one must have a bank account, a phone, buy stuff made by slaves, damage the environment.
Celtic hold a special place in our hearts because they grew from within the Irish community in Glasgow, i.e. mostly our direct ancestors, in my case only two generations ago. Yes, it’s no longer a charity, but it’s the strongest possible symbol of the presence of the Irish diaspora in Scotland, whose fans welcome everyone to support us.
Most organisations with a long history have skeletons in the cupboard. They should all be faced up to, and dealt with appropriately.
BillyBhoy
Can you clarify the bit that says 3 years accounts required.
and bring in at that point that they started the first of 3 years SFA Membership under Art12 of UEFA FFP.
For readers I’ll explain. why.
It is 3 years Membership of SFA not 3 years accounts. This is a vital point in tackling the same club myth.
Rangers in administration did not get licence for 2012/13 because the did not have audited accounts for ONE year.
Sevco were ineligible to apply for a UEFA licence until the had been members of SFA for 3 years. They could not apply from 2012 because they were climbing the leagues but had they started in SPL in 2013 and got a UEFA qualifying position they still could not apply until they had served three years as a member of SFA.
The SFA did transfer Rangers SFA Membership to Sevco under the discretionary powers of an SFA Article with title Prohibition of Transfer of Member ship.
UEFA ignored and applied Art12 of FFP that contains the 3 year membership clause and defines a club in UEFAs eyes.
It shows that SFA prepared to ignore UEFA rules to create the same club myth.
In calling Sevco a new club (RFC Ltd )/ company (RIFC Plc (Company ) in his response to Res12 enquiry his reply was based on Art12 FFP now 14 in FSR whose purpose is to protect the integrity of UEFA competitions.
The SFA dropped that purpose and consequences have been that whatever integrity Scottish Football ever had was booted into touch and here we are as a result. A corrupt game.
PS it was a conditional Membership of SFA not temporary licence. Ultra vires Paul McConvile called it.The condition was that the 5WA was signed shortly after. In effect they made up that type of Membership.
Billy bhoy
Thats a fine list with a important addition by Auldheid 👍
Name none
Must be difficult having so many multiple monikers on multiple blogs but well done Kevj👏
Auldheid, just for my own understanding, had Sevco somehow managed to win the Scottish Cup in 2013 they wouldn’t have been eligible for Europe the following season, correct?
Gianluca Vialli R.I.P
BillyBhoy
I think if you add 3yrs audited accounts ” under National Club Licencing as opposed to 3 year continuous SFA Membership under UEFA licencing” that makes the distinction that comes out later.
Jobo Balde.
We would have found out the answer for sure if Hibs had’nt won the cup.
Had Sevco won it would have triggered another UEFA FFP article (15) I think that allowed the SFA to put forward an application for a licence for UEFA to consider.
That application would have to take into account how UEFA saw Sevco status as a new club and for UEFA to consider what led to UEFA seeing them that way and would granting a licence on what would be sporting merit weaken or undermine the integrity protection purpose of their Art12.
I think how UEFA rejected a UEFA licence application to Derry City who made no pretence at being the same club as their predecessor and were able to apply having qualified to do so on sporting merit before the 3 years membership of IFA had been served, suggests to me Art12 would be paramount and SFA supported application rejected.
It’s a pity in a way Hibs won because the consequences of losing would have exposed the contradiction between SFA thinking and UEFA thinking and if it went as I suggest killed the same club myth.
Life wits it like?
Name None
Give it a rest Kev.
If anyone was mugged it was PL (Doncsster to PL e mail with 5WA attached and shareholders got their money back and donated it to charity.
David Low and CST were mugged by their own inaction.
Res12 had SFA with your ticket price campaign so stop trying to make a connection that exists only in your head.
I’ve noticed you switch your allegiance over the years and have backed the wrong horse at times.
Now gies all peace or change your thinking.
Auldheid
I thought about the new club issue in the run up to that final. Sunshine on Leith belted out by Hibs fans made me forget all about it.
Jimbo @ 9.29
Thanks Jimbo,
“I think in life we all buy into the myths of what we like and care about.”
That’s a very perceptive post Jim. I don’t have time to do it justice atm.
There is a tendency to conceal the truth from ourselves. Anything to perpetuate those myths, despite sometimes irrefutable evidence to the contrary.
Sometimes that leads to scapegoating, other times we continue to do things that are harmful to ourselves and others.
I like the analogy with proprioception. The mechanism that keeps us walking and moving without falling over.
We don’t seem to have that when it comes to our thinking and conceal from ourselves the likely outcomes from our actions.
There’s certainly no form of mental proprioception when it comes to the thinking at Ibrox and the SFA.
Endless fun with their tripping over themselves.
Ger57,
Yes Ger, it’s a much better life being comfortable with ourselves and realising that there’s always a bigger picture.
It’s funny Manchester City in 1904 were never an establishment club. They’d shaken up the applecart and were taken down a peg or two.
Belief systems sometimes set up thresholds that few of us will reach.
Someone was told me, ” Saints are impossible to live with.”
I’ve looked quite a bit at mythology over the years and there’s very often a wisdom there that’s overlooked.
Anyway, over to 3pm tomorrow and await what the next masterclass in officiating.
…The really don’t like the notion of justifying their decision.
VAR really has put them in an uncomfortable position.
Till later.
TGM
I get all that on Celtic’s history and think there are lots of benefits to dropping judgements of what we perceive as flaws
However we dont get there overnight, it’s our experience if we examine it as it unfolds that takes us to that point of serenity and calmness.
The need for forgiveness falls away but is but one tool for getting there.
Once there we can shout to others come on in the water is lovely but they see sharks circling around us and only the experience of staying on the flawed beach being eaten by sand flies can persuade them to go for a swim.
Billybhoy
Another point on
This shows that the SFA are treating TRFC as a NEW CLUB. .
The reason Rangers were not put forward in 2012 is that they did not have one years audited accounts.
The reason Sevco were not put forward was being ineligible to apply for 3 years until SFA members for that period.
The latter shows that UEFA are treating Sevco as a new club. The SFA a year too late treated the Rangers application as it should but by 2012 the cat was out the bag and left their licensing people with no option.
This whole area is full of twists and turns where Membership a Licence got confused as well as accounts and Membership and I spent some time separating one from another over the years so I’m not criticising. I think once clarified your work deserves a wider audience.
Auldheid,
Apologies just heading out.
Serenity and calmness are states of mind. Part of the belief system.
Like every other state, they come and go.
The surrendered mind doesn’t seek any particular state. Whatever happens, happens.
Something else that’s impossible to do…but another indication.
The search for serenity and calmess is another one of those myths. If it’s ever experienced we spend years searching for it again.
Like much of mythology the myth has value but it’s another indication.
Life’s Samsara.
Ups and downs.
– Just a collection of jumbled thoughts, in this post.-
Basically we’re not in charge.
Aff oot
Have a great day.
CBN has a good series on VAR, he’s got a pro-Ref from England reviewing VAR cases. Interesting discrepancy emerging between two clubs.
TMG
Someone was told me, ” Saints are impossible to live with.”
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I get that from the wife every day and I blame her not one bit. I’d leave me if I wasnt a reasonable cook.
Auldheid,
Where do think I got it?
Till later.
Auldheid,
Where do think I got it?
Till later.
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It figures. Hows your cooking. 🙂
Billybhoy, great stuff once again.
That put a smile on my face today.
Bigrailroadblues and all attending the Shipbank today, have a great day.
Was hoping to make it down. But not feeling up to it.
HH
Good afternoon all from the Shipbank.
St Tams
That’s a shame fella. Mind you some of this rabble would make you feel worse. 🙄
Just once I’d like to see a Celtic signing jet into Scotland.
We must still be using those old turboprop planes.
When ABC Ltd goes into liquidation it tends to be as a result of a disappearing customer base and cash resources. Happens every day. The diminishing band of ABC customers will just shrug their shoulders and go shop at DEF Ltd. Very rarely is it a newsworthy story.
The administration, and subsequent liquidation of Rangers FC could not have been more different. Their customer base was entirely intact. Bluenoses everywhere were not about to shrug their shoulders and go and support their local team. The bond holder bloke beautifully sums up the mindset of the Ibrox diaspora. Rangers died ? Naw, don’t talk soft and don’t give me the oldco newco shit. That’s just Celtic fans on the wind up stuff.
If we rewind 29 years and Fergus McCann, and others with the financial clout, decided to keep their cheque books dry and let Celtic fall into administration, and subsequent liquidation, what mindset would the Celtic diaspora adopt in those circumstances ? An entirely hypothetical question, but one that is difficult to answer honestly.
Great follow follow up to yesterday, Billy Bhoy. Imagine trying to explain Scottish football to an outsider, eh …they’d think you were making it up.
Bet the sticky buns miss the days when they were basically running a chauffeur service from Glasgow airport, straight to the front door of snake mountain, as mega stars would JET IN almost daily! I would love to see the other offers people like the De Boer bros would have had, before they decided they wanted to spend the peak of their careers playing against the likes of Falkirk, Kilmarnock and Dundee. Hmmm!!!
HH
JimDom, if the last 10 years is any kind of indicator, Celtic would’ve had no problems filling Parkhead (if the worst had happened) I could do without Scottish football, no problem, but the idea of walking away from Celtic? Well, that’s a whole other thing entirely. I have contemplated all these questions many times since 2012, but Celtic have that hold over you, like nothing else (Outside of family) ever has.
Even though you know this is all totally irrational, you continue to do it year after year, cause …..erm, well, that’s the real question!
Would we tell ourselves we were still watching Celtic? I think you know the answer 😉
Great leader by BillyBhoy and first class responses from Auldheid, Gombeen Man and others.
I believe it took 9 or 10 years for Airdrie to be liquidated. The liquidators of Rangers Football CLUB
( emphasis added ) have spun out the process almost that long, gleaning fees from the carrion to the detriment of the creditors.
Eventually, the process will reach it’s inevitable conclusion, possibly this year, with the creditors receiving a paltry pennies to the pound.
It is going to be fascinating to observe how the lickspittle main stream media will report the final liquidation event, as the administrators are duty bound to report the expired organization as the Rangers Football CLUB.
I have little doubt that the media will still attempt to belie and obscure the facts by addressing the dead entity as the ‘previous company that ran the Club.’
Billybhoy,
Really enjoyed these last two articles (and subsequent chat) so big thanks for that.
Cheers and Hail Hail.
Happy day of Frig y’all from a storm swept central California experiencing an atmospheric river apparently.
Take care Jim
https://twitter.com/ClydeSSB/status/1611371418301911046?t=LEdfdMY3uitC5Ybr_WB03g&s=08
At last….well said Ange 👍
Billy Bhoy
An excellent and obviously well researched leader. If anything, I prefer your take to ‘The Death of Rangers’ in 55 quotes. It is interesting that you mention the march to Hampden, and whether or not the Huns knew what they were marching for. This is not an uncommon occurrence among those of a Loyalist persuasion. I’ve always wanted to point out to Orange band members, that the Vatican actually supported King Billy in his battles with King James. I have not yet done so for two reasons:
1. Huns are not exactly known for listening to a reasoned, well thought out argument
and more importantly
2. I don’t particularly fancy being booted up and down Paisley Road West, for stating a point of view.
Anhoo, back to their March On Hampden. Reasoned observers put the turnout at 7,000, give or take.Think about that for a second. The support that claims to have one of the biggest, cough, cough, supports in world football, could only muster a fraction of their match day support, to protest the coming liquidation. Compare and contrast, with the actions of the Celtic support during the early-mid 90s. It is also a right laugh to ask two questions to Ibrox numpties, who deny that their club was liquidated in 2012:
If your club was not liquidated, why were there banners protesting against liquidation, at the final home game of the 2021-12 season?
If your club was not liquidated in 2012, why did 7,000 staunch souls march to Hampden in 2012, to protest the, by then, inevitable event?
As an aside Billy Bhoy, this march to Hampden took place on a Saturday, during the close-season, when there was nobody about at the National Stadium. Not the brightest are they? 😀
Thanks again, for a brilliant leader.
TGM
There are certainly a few uncomfortable truths in your post, but truths that must be told nonetheless.
bada bing1
Can’t see the board being too happy with that interview. Who gives an eff what those bams think anyway?
Hail Hail.
wee reminder for Superbru tomorrow at 3 pm
Ange doesn’t suffer fools,or cheats gladly…
BILLYBHOY
Excellent.
What press conference from Ange.
Fantastic.
Just a pity that he has to do the CEO’s job for him
St Tams
You’re a rascal I was just about to type that comment too👍👏👏👏
Magua
“Vatican actually supported King Billy in his battles with King James. I have not yet done so for two reasons:”
I’ve had the privilege of pointing that out to huns before, their reaction…. are you old enough to remember a program called Bill&Ben.
If you are, enough said🤷
Could the Tracy Crouch review of English football governance be a game changer as the recommendations become law next year?
Check https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2023/01/06/the-value-of-outsiders-on-planet-fitba/#more-28635
Prestonpans Bhoys
🤣🤣👍
Prestonpans bhoys
As a wee bhoy, I much preferred The Clangers. 😀
Hail Hail.
Magua
Why would the Board be unhappy at that interview.
Is it not more likely he got approval to say it?
Guys
Thanks again for all the positive comments. They are much appreciated!
Magua
You gave me a real LOL moment. Well researched??
Truth is I got up for a pee at 4am the other morning and couldn’t get back to sleep. I can’t quite remember what set off the idea for this but two and a half hours later I had pretty much nailed it. I then had a couple of hours kip and after breakfast wrote it all down and fleshed it out a bit.
While I was working on this article and running through the numbers I kept imagining a pack of playing cards and that led me to almost simultaneously come up with the idea for yesterday’s article.
One of my hun neighbours went on the march to Hampden. Apparently, Sandy Jardine led it and the Govan Stand was later renamed in remembrance of the “man who saved our club”. Their delusion knows no boundaries! 🙄
Auldheid
Thanks for your valuable input. I don’t appear to have an edit option but by tomorrow the article will be history anyway. As Elvis Costello sang: ” Yesterdays news is tomorrow’s fish & chip papers”. However, I wanted to ask you: was it not the case that Sevco should not have been admitted into Div3 – jumping the Q ahead of Spartans etc – as they didn’t have 3 years of audited Accounts.
That seemed to be the argument at the time from my recollection.
I appreciate that you’re saying (i think) that the criteria for Europe was 3 years membership of the SFA?
If you would just write the bloody book we wouldn’t need to keep getting this stuff wrong! 😉
Jimbo
You’re absolutely right mate. But I had an A4 copy of the notice of Administration document in a frame on my desk back in the day and it proudly stated February 14 😀
ASWGL
Thanks for the visual aides!
Jobo
Very interesting point about the 2016 Cup Final. I now feel partly responsible for the SFA not being placed in a quandary. I watched the game with my son. When Hibs got that late corner I sank to my knees , clasped my hands together and said “If there’s a football God up there please do the honourable thing!”
My son said “aw FFS da, get up!” Seconds later he was rolling around the carpet with me!
OK Mahe and Bobby, that’s YOUR wee holiday over – back to work now! 😉
Billy Bhoy
However you managed it, the leader was a damn fine read.
Auldheid
I second the motion that Billy Bhoy just made. Get that book written.
Hail Hail.
Billy Bhoy
One of my hun neighbours went on the march to Hampden. Apparently, Sandy Jardine led it and the Govan Stand was later renamed in remembrance of the “man who saved our club”. Their delusion knows no boundaries! 🙄
I didn’t know they named a stand after Lawwell, they kept that quiet 😀🤣🤣
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