Representatives will be required

The call will come you know, sooner rather than later I’ve no doubt.
Whether it’s the SFA needing a delegation from the nation’s biggest club to talk to ministers with regards to bringing in an Independent Regulator, whether it’s Celtic themselves regarding the proposed Golden Ticket for every clubs fans, whether it’s for a forum or media event, and more, that call will come.
‘Send someone to represent the Celtic support!’ will be the order.

 

What happens next I can’t tell, it has the potential to become a problem but it needn’t become one.
Im certainly curious to witness what transpires though.

 

Most big clubs have a large supporters body that represent a significant number of fans via a committee, and perhaps more importantly have the respect of the majority of supporters. Spirit of Shankly and M.U.S.T. (Man United Supporters Trust) instantly spring to mind, but this true with regards to the ‘Tic.
There’s no giant organization only a few smaller ones, the Celtic Trust are clearly the most notable but their membership numbers aren’t impressive and I know folk personally who ended up very disillusioned with their modes and methods.
I think it’s safe to say the majority don’t see them as the supports main representatives.

 

At this stage we might as well ask the biggest question in the world.
Who, what, when, where, why?

 

Who indeed, that is the question.
Given it was dreamed up an Irishman it’s technically ours but then possession is nine tenths of the law so we’ll fight you for it,,,only joking of course but that points out (in a roundabout way) that a Scottish and Irish club should obviously be represented by Scottish and Irish fans. Any serious body MUST have folk from both places onboard, I’m sure everyone would agree.
I’m not demanding an equal split or anything, but always a voice in the room, which I fully believe is fair and just.

 

I believe the Irish support would opt for a very simple method of selection,,probably the most senior supporters club president still in good health or something along those lines. That person wouldn’t have achieved that position without a certain level of integrity and trust, which would ultimately be the traits looked for by those across the water.

 

On the native front, sticking your neck above the parapet can have real world consequences. One blog owner was targeted and that’s just a blog, mainstream would kick it up a notch.
It’s certainly not for everybody but we can’t ignore the call, right?

 

The group should be diverse, not only of nationality but also of life experience, and sex.
I’ve seen a woman cut the biggest strongest man down with a single line, and forgive the language but men don’t tend to dick measure (their egos) with a strong female in the room.
Having much more experience of patience, nurturing, and compassion than the average male, they are often the common sense voice in the room.
A female involved would not hurt, but most likely help. More in the ‘why’ section.

 

Now we’ve got a trustworthy Paddy and a lady in the room, there’s a joke there somewhere, ideally there would be different skillsets on offer, ie a lawyer or businessman.
That’s ideally of course, which rarely happens, so I posit the most important aspect is getting an initial body formed by hook or by crook, and once established it can be tweaked as necessary.
Whether that be an orator who can argue any viewpoint precisely, or the presentable figure who will be facing television cameras as the spokesperson,,,simply forming a body in the first place is of the utmost importance. Let’s face it folks, if the support of the largest club in the land and a global name at that cannot form a representative body or fight over said body, a support who are world famous for their passion, we would be a laughing stock. Thankfully, necessity is the mother of invention, and when needs must usually something gets cobbled together then improved upon, which is my hope.

 

‘What’ isn’t clear, and that’s why diversity is very important, to deal with everything and anything that comes it’s way, and there’s a multitude of possibilities.
Someone who speaks Legalese would be perfect, oh for a Paul Mc Bride right about now, Rest in Peace.

 

‘When’ is around the corner, and speaking of when if there’s an official or semi official body representing a very large percentage of the support I expect airtime to increase significantly.
‘When’ could therefore be anytime,,a small evening segment or an afternoon briefing of Tims post morning meeting, the Inbox would be bulging, and things must be attended to.
For a voluntary position it would require a lot.
Maybe brief or semi-brief rotating, fresh elections would help on that front.

 

‘Where’,,,the action will obviously take place in bonnie Scotland whether outside Parkhead, at Holyrood, Hampden or wherever. The Irish rep might need to travel to Belfast, Dublin and Cork if deemed necessary, and be available for local broadcasters for significant events.
That’s what I imagine being the public face of the support would encompass.
A far flung supporter might not do the role justice, it’s probably best to be geographically close to the action.

 

‘Why’ is obvious being a Tim, any of us would jump at the opportunity to help steer the national sport in a better direction. It bloody well needs it.
‘Why’ on a personal level is exactly that, personal.
And it will get personal.
There must be no hint of gaining from any position, no self promotion, and one must realize the rags would attempt to dig up dirt so no previous Nepalese sweatshop owners need apply.
Seriously though, knowing some amount of hassle would accompany the role, ‘why’ must be a very hard question for every potential selectee.
I say selectee which implies a vote, but you can’t get the whole support to vote on these affairs. The club itself can’t get involved.

 

With little structure in place, the easiest option would clearly be to assemble some known names amongst the support and take it from there. And if X, Y or Z isn’t universally popular I’m really hoping the support see the bigger picture.

 

New ventures are always a learning lesson, ask any Resolutioner (who’ve done their part) and they will confirm.
Look, we all come together once, for those 90+ minutes and then disperse, every type of Tim under the sun enjoys a short spell together and that’s generally it.
Representatives, leaders, spokespeople,,,they were unnecessary.
The notion is somewhat alien for a worldwide support and a club open to all.
Has ‘all’ ever settled on an off-field representative never mind a group of them?
The majority might have supported the IRAs armed campaign but the fact our most treasured manager ever waded into the crowd to personally remove an IRA flag only serves to highlight that no one represents ‘all’.

 

Watching the Tims being forced into an alliance will be both interesting and educating, but the most important thing we can do is get behind anyone and everyone genuinely attempting to represent us.
Judge the results by all means, but please hand credit to anyone putting themselves out there.

 

Uncharted territory is always exciting and events are moving at a rapid pace.
Automatic Champions League entry for the SPL winners, revamped Champions League with more fixtures, FSR, VAR, winter world Cups, white papers, Independent Regulators,,,these last few years have brought dramatic changes to the game.
Supporter involvement must now come as no surprise.
It’s appropriate.
It’s time.
It’s gonna be a fascinating watch.

 

By Mahe
sentinelcelts@gmail.com

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BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
March 22, 2023 8:04 am

MAHE

Great stuff. Scottish football definitely needs to cleanse its Augean stables of the filth of corruption,sectarianism and cronyism that has stunk the place out for well over a century. I have no idea how that happens,as those who hold the power will fight for it.

There is doubtless a groundswell of support,a myriad of ideas on how to achieve it-or at the very least,where to begin. AULDHEID has explained on these pages a way forward,and each has been a definite improvement on the current chaos. A combination of his ideas and those from like-minded individuals will surely be workable,and attractive to all parties with a love of our game.

The Gombeen Man
March 22, 2023 9:01 am

Thanks Mahe,

Just a few thoughts.

The White Paper is pretty positive on Football Advisory Boards.

Football Advory Boards (FABs) have been introduced down south. Two examples are below.

They perform a kind of shadow board function and interact with the board normally through a designated board member.

Key issues identified by the White Paper are changes to the club badge and proposed relocations of grounds.

Governance, growth strategy, marketing are all on the table too and are discussed

The White Paper makes it a prerequisite for clubs to meet minimum standards of fan engagement to meet the threshold to obtain a licence to play professional football in England.

The Regulator (financed by the clubs) will oversee all of this and ensure that clubs are meeting their licensing conditions. Enforcement procedures can come into play if clubs don’t meet this threshold.

The requirement for a Golden Share wasn’t made mandatory by the White Paper, the government won’t stand in club’s way if that’s the way they want to proceed.

– Clubs are different sizes with different resources, so it’s not a one size fits all remedy.

The White Paper suggests the Supporters Trust and the Women’s organisation and other representative associations as a source of members.

Selection via a democratic process

In practice the members also seem to come from Disabled Supporters Associations and International Supporters Associations

Rotation of members seems key too to prevent stagnation and the development of an elitist mentality.

The White Paper envisages that it’s only a positive thing for clubs to open up and discuss strategy and difficulties in an open manner.

If this discourages some of the fanciful notions on the internet and cul-de-sacs we’ve been sent down in recent years, then everyone’s a winner.

https://www.manutd.com/en/Fans/Fans-Advisory-Board

https://www.evertonfc.com/fanadvisoryboard

Have a great day.

McCaff
March 22, 2023 10:50 am

Morning all! That was an interesting read this morning, Mahe if a bit of an unexpected curveball! To be honest I’ve not fully grasped the concept yet and a wee bit of further thinking and a read at the Man U link that TGM posted has probably made things a wee bit clearer – to me anyhoo.
Man Utd have a Football Advisory Board comprised of Fan reps and Board/Club reps. They are responsible for “long term strategic plans”. They also have a Fan’s Forum which pre-dates the FAB. This deals with day to day issues, operational issues.
We’ve got John Paul Taylor.
Your article is probably 5 years too early!!
The process should probably start with a proper forum for the Club to engage with fans, a place where day to day stuff that affects fans can be discussed, preferably before the Club fires ahead…eg the reduction in capacity of the Kerrydale Suite and the opening of the newer more expensive corporate lounge. Or perhaps more pertinently, the restrictions proposed that led to the Janefield St crush – just a couple of examples of the top of my head but you know where I’m coming from.
After an established Fan’s Forum has settled and delivered the next stage would be Board representation and that would be the next stage for experienced battle-hardened members of the Fan’s Forum to step up to.
A Football Governor a la Tracey Crouch is a natural evolution of the appointment of a FAB, an overseeing administrator/legislator/adjudicator. A Fan’s Forum is a necessity for the day to day.

Auldheid
March 22, 2023 11:32 am

Mahe

So glad you have addressed a concern of mine having experienced dealing with disparate groups with their own historic agendas and attachments to them that prevented cohesion and unity. I tried for years but each had their furrows to plough.

One of the reasons for my concern was possibility of an unwelcome takeover. Who would speak for the supporters to protect our interests.

That btw is an issue identified by Tracey Crouch and why we should be open minded about SFSA attempts to see the SG pick up on the parts relevant to Scottish football to have that protection by law.

That is just one of the many good reasons Celtic supporters need to unite to give weight to their concerns.

Auldheid
March 22, 2023 11:39 am

TMG

Thanks for setting out what I see as one of the key benefits to come from adopting the recommendations in the White Paper.

There is a government web site at which suggests the UK Government is serious about change.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-sustainable-future-reforming-club-football-governance/a-sustainable-future-reforming-club-football-governance

Auldheid
March 22, 2023 11:49 am

McCaff

A role of Celtiic’s Company Secretary is improving communication with the support and that starts with the Fans Forum which already exists but needs reviewing.

A problem from observation is that addressing VAR failings and other legal stuff squeezes the time that can be spent on the relationship job.

He is well aware of what is coming down the line a la possible SG intervention and indeed has already adopted an idea to make it easier for supporters to express concerns long before it becomes an AGM resolution without it having to go through the CST. It needs smoothing but the principle was recognised.

He is the right guy in the right place and my only concern is does he have the right time.

Rebus67
March 22, 2023 12:20 pm

Mahe,

Interesting leader. I am sure some amongst the support have already thought about this and have ambitions. Groucho Marx comes to mind with his suspicions about hesitating to join a club that would accept him as a member!

One aspect of the support that you barely touched upon is the ex-pat segment, to which you belong. If Celtic aspires to be a global brand then the international brigade need to be represented, and I do not think that is covered by an “Irish” representative. Ignoring the growing US, Japanese (even Asian) markets would be foolish and insular at the inception of a major initiative. The club already has a ready made database through CelticTV that could be utilised to arrange an international/global group. I may sound as tho I am tooting my own horn here, and perhaps I am, but I shall not be the only one! Frankly, I have not got a clue if I would be interested in being involved. There are many better placed to contribute but I do recognise the importance of a global component to the resulting fan led structure. Beware of egos would be my advice.

Whilst the fan led initiative is one component of the Crouch review, there is another, namely, the independent regulator, and how that office is to be financed. Because you can be sure that the sources of financing will play a major part in determining the nature of the “independence”. Personally, I believe that it is necessary that funding of the office runs through the SG, even if funds come from the clubs. If funding runs through the SFA or the league body, it cannot be independent. The clubs, directly or indirectly, fund both the SFA and the ref association. How “independent” do you think these agencies are?

In Scotland, it will be more difficult to achieve an “independent” regulator because, like it or not, the game is dominated, emotionally and financially, by the two solitudes.

This English generated idea is a real hot political potato for any governing party, let alone one that is tearing itself apart. I see VAR and the concept of the regulator as governing instruments that appear to offer greater impartiality but, may, in fact, merely add another layer of bias to an already flawed system. Are we merely going to shuffle the same, tired participants into different chairs?

Rebus

SteveNaive
March 22, 2023 12:44 pm

McCaff

All top quality narratives but however strong Man Utd ( or other) Fan Forums they will be as powerless, despite vehement objections, to prevent a possible Quatari ( or well named, anti union Ratcliffe) takeover as they were the Glazers.
No, I’m not arguing for the status quo but we, as match going fans, need a coherent strategy in place.
If Manchester Utd are being eyed at £6bn for a Club valued at £1.6, we are an absolute snip.

Auldheid
March 22, 2023 12:54 pm

Rebus

Good point on Overseas supporters and technology will be a help there with ability to meet by Zoom and exchange concerns via an electronic procedure that took baby steps before the last AGM but needs refining.

It will take organising in the places overeas but if infrastructure put in place that will encourage participation. As it happens I know a guy who knows all about. that nearing retirement

Who pays is a good point. One of the pioneers of SFSA knows all about being tied to the hand that feeds you which is why the SFSA are independent of football.

Perhaps a 50/50 sharing with Govt and football. If clubs agreed part of the UEFA solidarity payment could be channelled to the Regulator company? Problems but with solutions if the will is there.

IniquitousIV
March 22, 2023 12:56 pm

MAHE
First class leader. You and BMCUWP do a superb job, and God knows where you find the time.

AULDHEID ( From yesterday )
Auldyin, i have told you before that I yield to no one in my respect ( and awe ) at your sheer indefatigability in pursuing the honorable ( and feasible ) path for Celtic to follow, while facing the many barriers which you have encountered through direct experience.

I would therefore take my occasional raving rants on here, born out of sheer frustration at my utter inability to influence the many injustices we all plainly see, with a pinch of salt.

Keep on keeping on. You would be my nominee as the Celtic Support Representative because for years you have led from the front, are aware of the pitfalls from experience and know where the bodies are buried ( so to speak 😊 ). I am no betting man, but would lay money on that many on here would also subscribe to that view.
HH
IniquitousIV

Auldheid
March 22, 2023 12:57 pm

Steve Naive

DD is not going to be around forever. What legacy will he leave?

JimDom
March 22, 2023 1:15 pm

I could be wrong, but, imho, Celtic PLC is run primarily to protect and enhance Dermot Desmond’s investment. This is achieved through his place man, Peter Lawwell. PL was CEO for 17 years and brought back by DD as Chairperson. I would doubt if DD even has Michael Nicholson’s mobile number saved on his phone. MN is a compliant patsy. It’s all about profit/dividend, and some bonuses thrown in to keep the executive directors sweet. Winning those silvery things in nice, but not essential.

Supporter involvement, with decision making influence, and Celtic PLC, are mutually exclusive bedfellows . Tea, coffee, custard creams, a nice chat with Michael, all very friendly but genuine influence ? Not a chance.

In five days time the new First Minister of Scotland may well be a Celtic supporting self confessed republican. We haven’t had one of those before !! Wonder what that FM’s reaction will be when he witnesses John Beaton on the pitch, Andrew Dallas on VAR, do their level best to deny Celtic victory in next month’s semi final.

bada Bing 1
March 22, 2023 1:30 pm

3 Derby games left,I guarantee VAR on 2 of them will be Clancy and Collum, the 2 cowards who the huns have banned in the recent past, and terrified to flag up to the referee, anything VAR picks up.This league isn’t won yet.

óglach
March 22, 2023 1:35 pm

Auldheid
Steve Naive
DD is not going to be around forever. What legacy will he leave?
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His son🤨

Auldheid
March 22, 2023 1:39 pm
Auldheid
March 22, 2023 1:48 pm

JimDom On DD

You may be right you may be wrong.

Problem is that unless 100 shareholders sign up to a resolution asking for clarification of DDs intent purely on the basis he is not immortal then we just dont know.

I think it is a perfectly reasonable question to pose and in doing so bring focus on the issue if made in the proper tone.

The Gombeen Man
March 22, 2023 2:03 pm

Some technical pieces about the proposed Regulator.

It’s like the FCA.

It licences the Club.

If you don’t meet the licence thresholds or opt for a Super League, you don’t get a licence to operate as a professional club in England.

Financial stress testing, flagging potential concerns to the FA about transfer dealings, fan engagement. Background checks, forensic accounts, tax experts etc.

Not cheap and paid for by the clubs.

Section 11.10

“The Regulator would have an Expert Advisory Panel appointed by the Secretary for Culture, Media and Sport and separate from the Board (of the Regulator). Panel members would have expertise across a variety of sectors including football. The Board would be able to draw on the Panel to form a Regulatory Decisions Committee (RDC) to advise on certain key or complex regulatory decisions such as enforcement actions.”

11.11

“This would ensure the correct experts are advising on the relevant issues and manage the Regulator’s capacity to take decisions. The Board (also appointed by the Secretary of State) would take strategic decisions and the RDC would oversee certain technical regulatory decisions.”

11.14

“Scrutiny from the public, industry and the government are important ways through which the Regulator will be held to account…

The Regulator will be required to publish an annual report detailing it’s operational and financial performance against key performance indictors set in legislation. These would include that it’s performing it’s statutory duties and providing value for money. The report would be laid before parliament as is done by other statutory regulators and so the Regulators performance could be scrutinised for example by the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee.”

11.16

“As is the case with other public bodies if the government is not content with the performance of the Regulator. Ministers will have the powers to make changes. The Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport would have the levers to effect change by,

Appointing new Board/Panel members or directing the Board to replace the Regulator’s executive leadership.”

Have the FCA cleaned up the financial services sector?

How long will Scotland’s football supporters continue to dig deep and pay for an unregulated and on the face of it rigged game?

Back to the grindstone.

big packy
March 22, 2023 2:15 pm

AFTERNOON ALL and JIM, mahe great post,,cap doffed, unfortunately scottish football is run by the oange order and the masons ,remember that billy balfour character getting interviewed ,well we dont mind italian catholics becuase our captain lorenzo was one of them ,we did ask him him to stop blessing himself but as he was the captain we turned a blind eye, but irish catholics is a no no ,how can you reason with people like these, absolute bigots from head to toe, as TET used to say on here fix fitba in scotland get rid of the orange lodge,,another true story.hh

SteveNaive
March 22, 2023 2:19 pm

Oglach
Auldheid

“We Don’t Know Ourselves”
Fintan O’Toole

I thought I had an awareness of some of it.
Turns out I didn’t.

Mahe
March 22, 2023 2:41 pm

Thanks for the replies folks.
Just waiting on the DUP getting sold out here.
And happy day of Woden everyone.
Hi-Ho time here, have a better day than the Unionists.

Hail Hail

JimDom
March 22, 2023 2:58 pm

Auldheid @ 1.48

As MadMitch might say, I’ll show my workings on DD.

Fergus leaves the building having demolished 3/4 of Celtic Park and rebuilds with 50,000 new seats. The main stand still has value so remains untouched. DD finds himself holding the majority shareholder baton, after a number of share issues.

Celtic reach 2003 UEFA cup final after a truly unforgettable season (we won nothing !) but the business loses money that same season. Peter Lawwell enters the building and DD is impressed by his workings. No more losses please Peter.

Celtic knock Barcelona out of the 2004 UEFA cup but fall at the next hurdle to Villareal. Celtic have not been seen in the later stages in Europe since April 2004. The club continues to accumulate domestic trophies at an incredible rate.

Present day. Lawwell is still in the building and DD still holds the majority share baton. The support is as great as ever with demand exceeding ticket supply. The club, however, has no plans to modernise and increase the capacity of the main stand. DD does not attend the AGM and sometimes just sends a son along.

As you say Auldheid, we don’t know what his exit strategy is. He mentioned his son being a big Celtic supporter during his last interview with Gerry McCulloch. Perhaps the shares just stay in the family and history repeats itself. I would also anticipate Peter Lawwell being part of that family, his loyalty to the profit/dividend model will be rewarded.

Rebus67
March 22, 2023 3:35 pm

Whit’s happening to ra blog. 3 pm an’ only 20 comments on a verra important toepick!

Rebus

Auldheid
March 22, 2023 3:37 pm

Away from the issue of the main blog this series of Tweets about Ange’s system/infrastructure makes very interesting reading.

Comment rich from those who take a keen interest in how we perform.

https://twitter.com/EBL2017/status/1638465955515756544?s=20

Craig76
March 22, 2023 3:55 pm

A Thread that most will find interesting
https://mobile.twitter.com/EBL2017/status/1638465955515756544

Auldheid
March 22, 2023 4:21 pm

JimDom
Auldheid @ 1.48

As MadMitch might say, I’ll show my workings on DD.

Fergus leaves the building having demolished 3/4 of Celtic Park and rebuilds with 50,000 new seats. The main stand still has value so remains untouched. DD finds himself holding the majority shareholder baton, after a number of share issues.

Celtic reach 2003 UEFA cup final after a truly unforgettable season (we won nothing !) but the business loses money that same season. Peter Lawwell enters the building and DD is impressed by his workings. No more losses please Peter.

Celtic knock Barcelona out of the 2004 UEFA cup but fall at the next hurdle to Villareal. Celtic have not been seen in the later stages in Europe since April 2004. The club continues to accumulate domestic trophies at an incredible rate.

Present day. Lawwell is still in the building and DD still holds the majority share baton. The support is as great as ever with demand exceeding ticket supply. The club, however, has no plans to modernise and increase the capacity of the main stand. DD does not attend the AGM and sometimes just sends a son along.

As you say Auldheid, we don’t know what his exit strategy is. He mentioned his son being a big Celtic supporter during his last interview with Gerry McCulloch. Perhaps the shares just stay in the family and history repeats itself. I would also anticipate Peter Lawwell being part of that family, his loyalty to the profit/dividend model will be rewarded.

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Lawwell was brought in in 2003/04 because in spite of reaching the EL final Celtic were running at a loss that could not be sustained.

Lawwell’s job was to stop that which he did. Life in the slow lane as MoN said.

Now DD might have done that to protect his investment but equally he protected Celtic from the unsustainable spending policy that killed our main rivals.

PL managed decline but went too far and in doing so endangered DD’s investment because that decline put football second.

Is it not at all possible that DD realised that a change in how his investment was protected was needed and after PL stepped down and Howe, who is a good manager, turned down the job that the new football first policy had now been embarked on and Ange was recruited? DD and Ange spoke to each other and if DD did not like the cut of Ange’s football jib he would not have been hired.

DD’s opinion of the Celtic support was unconsciously reflected in his reply on 6th September 2010 to a suggestion I made by letter for establishing a membership scheme.

It began

“Thank you for your informative and well constructed letter . I found the contents extremely interesting and think you suggestions have a lot of merit. I have forwarded you letter to the Chief Executive for follow up. ”

(That follow up did happen but never matured and as its main aim was improving relationships with the support it ended in May 2012 when the SLO was appointed).

I dug out that letter there and had forgotten how it ended which is in line with today’s blog. It said:

” I would not be against a representative of the fans, from time to time attending a Board meeting (as an observer) to hear how matters are communicated and deliberated.”

That letter is 12 years 6 months old and the Fans Forum was the eventual outcome, although that needs revisiting as it does not provide any insight from a supporter observing how matters are communicated and deliberated on The Board.

As I posted earlier improving relationships with the support requires good communication (check The Secret of Staying in Love: Loving Relationships through Communication by John Powell SJ) is now part of the role of The Company Secretary .

It does however suggest we do not have a full enough picture of DD’s intent.

Perhaps after 12 years and 6 months DD has realised the support are a lot smarter than he thought and it is worth Celtic investing in them?

The Secret of Staying in Love: Loving Relationships through Communication

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-Staying-Love-Relationships-Communication/dp/0883472996/ref=asc_df_0883472996/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=255612497745&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13284499349244869082&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007325&hvtargid=pla-546795932847&psc=1&th=1&psc=1

Auldheid
March 22, 2023 4:22 pm

Craig76
A Thread that most will find interesting
https://mobile.twitter.com/EBL2017/status/1638465955515756544

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Beat ya Lol. Yup it is very informative.

Craig76
March 22, 2023 4:52 pm

Auldheid
It so informative it needed posted twice 😀👍

Prestonpans bhoys
March 22, 2023 4:56 pm

Auldheid

“Perhaps after 12 years and 6 months DD has realised the support are a lot smarter than he thought and it is worth Celtic investing in them?”

I agree with your sentiments there, having a communication channel open once a year to take over £500 for our ST’s, is a little bit shortsighted. However better late than never………

IniquitousIV
March 22, 2023 5:41 pm

McInnes and Kilmarnock sounding off now about VAR:
“- I want fairness, competence and I want people making the right decisions; not just for my team, but for everybody.”
Seems to say it all, really. That’s Dundee Utd and Kilmarnock this week. Maybe there are others? Maybe this is a propitious time, publicly or behind the scenes, to back other club’s calls for competence and fairness? Keep the pressure up, let them know we are watching, methodically building a record of incompetent, bizarre and corrupt decisions, and keeping the spotlight on them.

IniquitousIV
March 22, 2023 5:42 pm

Sorry about double post. No idea how that happens.

IniquitousIV
March 22, 2023 5:43 pm

And no idea how double post disappears either!😊

Awe Naw
March 22, 2023 6:01 pm

I believe that DD got involved with Celtic for one reason only. It was a good opportunity for him. As a billionaire he is acutely aware of the soft power that can be harnessed through football. As a West Brit he was and still is English centric. He bought 3% of Man U in 2003. So Celtic for him is a very useful investment (tool). It allows him to ingratiate himself with the British establishment, UEFA, Media outlets, politicians etc. and it doesn’t cost him much. There is also very little risk. Comparatively hardly anything compared to an EPL team. It’s a shame that we have never had this discussion. I believe his stewardship of Celtic is totally based on this need.

CFC
March 22, 2023 6:01 pm

Auldheid/Craig76

Very insightful tactical piece.
Particularly the defensive set up when our opponents control the ball.

The observer is spot on re the quality required.

Daizen epitomises that attitude and
It’s why we don’t see much of DT, unless as 5th/ 6th choice nor JF, and are unlikely to in Europe next season.

Just not dynamic enough or defensively sound.
Can see 3/4 arriving in the summer with a few outgoing.
Potential sale of Liel and DT should fund better.

We Never Stop … Improving.

Craig 76
March 22, 2023 6:59 pm

Craig 76
March 22, 2023 7:12 pm

BelmontBrian63
March 22, 2023 7:15 pm

Evening all.

Craig 76 @ 6.59pm

Thanks for that.

In the words of the Welsh comedian, Max Boyce, ‘I was there’

Brian.

Craig76
March 22, 2023 7:36 pm

Cheers BelmontBrian63
I’m guessing you’ve been at most games on the next link I put up 😀

Craig 76
March 22, 2023 7:54 pm

Have some League cup final wins aswell

Craig 76
March 22, 2023 8:10 pm

BelmontBrian63
March 22, 2023 8:17 pm

Tonight’s trio of tunes, ‘Pop Pickers’ are from the fantastic Simon and Garfunkel.

Simon and Garfunkel (Live 2008) – Cecilia (1970)

https://youtu.be/Rwwaj83HUlk

Simon & Garfunkel – The Boxer

https://youtu.be/6JUbFj0BIc4

Simon & Garfunkel – Homeward Bound

https://youtu.be/m0oJ8_VTu3c

Nite all.

Stay Classy

HH

Brian

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
March 22, 2023 8:56 pm

CRAIG76

There is a League Cup Final which is very special to SOLKITTS. And to me too,of course.

We wandered off the train,50 yards to The Ingledene,more beer. Couldnae stop talking about it. Absolutely drenched,happy as a pig in the proverbial. Some game,some night.

Bloody hell,was it!!!

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
March 22, 2023 9:03 pm

BELMONTBRIAN63

I struggle with Simon and Garfunkel. It was just too cheesy for me,as a rule. Art’s voice was wonderful,Paul’s writing sublime. But it is a shame that Art couldn’t simply find another writer like Paul-few could-!-while Paul knew he could write and sing too.

Simon’s output suggests that the break-up worked for him. I’m saddened that we largely lost a vocalist like Art because of it.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
March 22, 2023 9:07 pm

There was one glorious night we went in to the same pub after an evening game. With a British Transport Police officer! He bought the first round.

Maybe for later,that one.

CaltonTongues
March 22, 2023 9:13 pm

Mikey Johnston, 1st touch on debut and smacks one of the post. Republic score from resultant ping pong.

Well done MJ.

Sol Kitts
March 22, 2023 9:23 pm

BMCUWP
His mate was probably less pleased. 😂😂😎

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
March 22, 2023 9:36 pm

SOLKITTS

Oh yes indeed. Stranded on the platform at Saltcoats. Quel dommage. We got a beer or two and a good night out of it. I bet our BTP officer did too.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
March 23, 2023 8:08 am
The Nabbla
March 25, 2023 3:15 am

808 state Pacific State

https://youtu.be/tLxDRePUwEY

The Nabbla
March 25, 2023 3:17 am
The Nabbla
March 25, 2023 3:32 am

Anyma running featuring whoeva.

Running up that hill

https://youtu.be/dH7HRB5afi

HH

Chalmers bhoy.
Simple minds done well,seen them in mars bar 79,opp were richer sounds is in glasgow, jamaica st,that wee road brings you out st enochs.they worked hard,tiffanys apollo and then barrowland.
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Hunter and the hunted
https://youtu.be/VvDsTPbMUQ0

Night sentinels