Just a few points

Just as our team sits just a few points away from being crowned, Im hoping to set an early example with my own three points.
 
1,,, Opportunity has knocked for Yuki Kobayashi, and the team I suggest.
With the news big Cameron is to go under the knife and return next season, the Japanese Bhoy has been handed the chance of a lifetime, a solid run in the team with a Cup Final and away game against rivals included. His aim must be to prove his credentials with regards to next seasons European adventures, to have everyone relaxed about his inclusion, comfortable with his selection. Carl has managed that, he might give good advice on that front, but Yuki’s performances for the run in will probably make or break his Celtic career.
He’s under pressure, but I like the look of him so far.
 
CCV being unavailable should, repeat should, see the club retain his services for another campaign. The team should benefit next season from his sustained rest, recuperation and returning patched up. It should also benefit via Yuki’s minutes under the belt this season.
This whole scenario smacks of a win, win situation.
 
2,,,The far flung summer tour. Yuki starting games now and hopefully shining like a beacon becomes more of a winner when the tour is taken into account.
It might help drive up interest therefore ker-ching, but in my mind it fully helps the signing policy. We face the prospect of fielding a Celtic outfield with 50% Asia born players, and for a club that’s looking to do business in the summer probably leaning on the Asian market, our stock will be very high in that region.
Ange has the choice of selling the club to players first hand, signing them early and keeping them ‘home’ to meet the club and its support on home turf, or using the occasion and clear embracing of that regions talent to tempt one of their best.
 
Not only that, but Yuki opens up a new avenue. Whereas it’s easy to envision Asia born players as slight and skillful, having a successful (touch wood) defender in the mix would be a prime example that the Scottish game isn’t too rough and tumble, it can be mastered, any potential move for a defender could succeed, as shown.
We’ve exploited the attacking talent of the J-League, it stands to reason there’s also defensive talent within, turning to that next would be natural.
I want Yuki to be the trailblazer in this regard, to set the trend, to be the example.
 
3,,,The lunchtime kickoff for the final.
Now this did depress me. It’s the prime example of TV ruining football, which some wise man predicted back in the day. It’s symptomatic of a dysfunctional governing body.
The run-in has been atrociously handled by the broadcasters, with many big or vital games especially the relegation scrap being ignored. Scheduling your final on the same day as England’s should have been avoided, wouldn’t be that hard.
 
Alongside the video of that thug spitting on the Tim at the weekend, these lead me to pondering the overall state of affairs with the top flight.
The picture isn’t rosey.
 
Incompetent at the top for both governing bodies, bent officiating, questions over cup and away ticket allocations, overzealous policing, potential parking problems in the pipeline, home stands half empty when the Champions arrive rather than fill them with more Tims, crushes, etc etc I could go on.
 
More recently we have the gap at the top accelerating, on the pitch and financially, which isn’t going over well.
Setting aside history and attempting to be objective, the ‘screw this’ and ‘we aren’t overhauling them’ comments that emerged after Sunday’s game aren’t to be taken lightly. They display dissatisfaction with the top flight in its current iteration. No wonder directors over there are heading for the hills.
FSR regulations compel survival, but that doesn’t make a rival.
Can’t spend, we’re bigger and more organized, we could sew the game up.
The trebles prove this, and on that point while the pleasure has been all ours, realistically it’s a sign of the leagues ill health when one team can perform the clean sweep so often, without being a truly special bunch.
 
Taking the green tinted specs off, Ange’s and Celtics success (while welcome to the Tims) is a great deflection to the national sports ails. That’s only natural of course, I don’t blame anyone for being wrapped up in first team affairs, as I often am.
However there’s problems on the horizon.
 
If FSR actually weakens the rivalry and widens the gap, or should a big club find themselves on the way up (like Barry Robsons team, or Burley that time) and overtake that club, the plates start spinning.
A decline in season tickets across the way lowers the overall standard of our bread and butter.
A collapse in STs would collapse that club, again.
The expanded Champions League format should further enhance the bridge from top club to the rest, three times their turnover isn’t unrealistic.
 
However one horse leagues don’t tend to thrive, preordained winners only lead to disinterest outside that clubs support.
As a club, as a support, as a league, we need domestic competition.
Genuine competition, not a lowering of levels to give off the semblance.
But with every league title, treble, and European campaign, we make that less likely.
How to fix this? Answers on a postcard please.
 
By Mahe
sentinelcelts@gmail.com

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Craig 76
May 3, 2023 6:37 am
Big Audio Dynamite
May 3, 2023 6:45 am

When we were in a financial mess in the early 90s, I don’t remember one solitary person asking what would become of our league, they were all too busy celebrating the deid club’s cheating ..in fact, there was a hell of a lot of glee at our predicament iirc

I can’t say I’m not enjoying what’s happening to them – Sally McMoist

There is absolutely nothing can be done (by us anyway) about clubs who just simply refuse to live within their means. Both Rangers and Sevco had countless opportunities to get their house in order, have they ever even attempted it? Treating that club like they are indispensable, will only lead to them becoming even more emboldened …a truly scary thought.

Whoever they believe they are today, i absolutely revel in their pain and karma, as they deserve every ounce of it!

Big Audio Dynamite
May 3, 2023 6:52 am

It’s near the end of the 92-93 season and Rangers just need a point to secure another title.

What should be a joyous occasion, is actually being ruined because of worries about what may happen to their fiercest rivals Celtic, who are in a financial mess.

Said no one ever!

Prestonpans bhoys
May 3, 2023 7:31 am

It would be interesting to see who is driving this Cup change the SFA or Viaplay. The latter shouldn’t be bothered as most using it will already be under subscription either by yearly or single month.

That leaves PPV option for a single day on that platform. Now irrespective of competition from the English cup 99.99% of potential customers would be from the two clubs , so the English cup showing at the same time is irrelevant.

JimmynotPaul
May 3, 2023 7:51 am

15 years ago today, Motherwell 1:2 Celtic.

McDonald and Samaras. @ScottyMcD83 https://t.co/WfzwYgzGmv

JimmynotPaul
May 3, 2023 7:53 am

20 years ago today, Dunfermline 1:4 Celtic.

Larsson, Petrov(2) and Thommo. @StanPetrov19 @Alantommo8 https://t.co/Y2Xg5CrBNz

JimmynotPaul
May 3, 2023 7:53 am

3rd May 2014, Celtic 5:2 Aberdeen.

Brown(2), Stokes and Commons(2). @ScottBrown8 https://t.co/hFi4WYPYRY

JimmynotPaul
May 3, 2023 7:53 am

3rd May 2006, Celtic 2:0 Kilmarnock.

Zurawski and Varga. https://t.co/BYkXrZXSx5

JimmynotPaul
May 3, 2023 7:54 am

25 years ago today, Dunfermline 1:1 Celtic.

Donnelly. @SimonDonnelly13

Late equaliser puts the champagne on ice for another week. https://t.co/pCgyEw6UAG

JimmynotPaul
May 3, 2023 7:54 am

3rd May 1975, Celtic beat Airdrie 3:1 to win the Scottish Cup.

Wilson(2) and McCluskey.

Billy McNeill’s last game for Celtic. https://t.co/LnVopqET8F

JimmynotPaul
May 3, 2023 7:56 am

3rd May 2012, Celtic 1:0 St Johnstone.

Stokes. https://t.co/Kk6aG9AbFz

Auldheid
May 3, 2023 8:27 am

BAD

So what?

Should we treat them as they treated us?

What does that make us but a mirror image of them?

There will come a time when the ice cream has melted and the jelly liquefied when every club in Scottish football become trapped in a vicious circle of decline that the past has to be reconciled with to build a virtuous circle.

When I say reconciled I mean not letting their behaviour prevent thinking of a more healthy future and how to get there.

Enjoy the schadenfreude for now as their pain shatters their understanding but some serious rethinking is required to change the current model for the long term good of football and it is good to see Mahe look into that future and provoke thought.

https://youtu.be/e4lI8e33U2A

Jobo Baldie
May 3, 2023 8:28 am

Good morning, friends.
Mahe, I’m also really looking forward to seeing Kubayashi get a run of games. And also to see if Carl can be “even better” playing the right hand central role.
As for the Cup Final, it’s bad enough when one of the semis kicks off at 12.q5 or 12.30 but the thought of our showpiece game starting at that time is pathetic. I always enjoy cup final day and the whole build up to the game. Yes, even when Celtic aren’t in it. If the game mustn’t clash with the Englandshire equivalent I’d prefer a 5pm start (in recent years its been the English one that’s done that?) Or even the Sunday at 3.

Auldheid
May 3, 2023 8:50 am

Mahe

A thought provoking article about an issue that needs thinking about.

You asked for answers or possibilities. Here are two.

1. Celtic decide that a non competitive league is bad for business and stop never stopping. They have previous.

2. I’m not sure if the new CL structure will stop the vicious cycle that saw Rangers die and a similarcum emerge to produce an even more toxic model of the 2000 to 2012 period, but if it means Celtic get continuing access to CL money and the similarcum club do not, then one way of helping all clubs, without whose existence Celtic depend to win titles to get CL money, is to increase the Solidarity payment (with conditions on its use) and decrease what UEFA pay out to participating clubs.

It is the long spoon model but it avoids a gate sharing model which causes resentment amongst clubs with biggest support and the impact is unlikely to have much affect on participating clubs chances of winning the CL.

There will be pros and cons for every suggestion but life tends to ask us to think about the unthinkable

CFC
May 3, 2023 9:11 am

Agree with the notion of greater CL earned revenue dripping down. We only earn it if we get there in the first place.

The unthinkable would include disbanding the overly bureaucratic regulatory framework we have( lost jobs for the boys!) and the draconian measure of a more competitive league structure via amalgamations ( lost history for communities).

Both would be forward thinking steps but possibly too unpalatable for those impacted.

McCaff
May 3, 2023 9:21 am

Auldheid…it’s a big So What! The Oldco/Newco/Newerco or whatever incarnation needs to accept their own liabilities. It’s fine to preach forgiveness and understanding that if they were to disappear completely where would it leave us but they are the authors of their own destny and misfortune. They create the mess they’re in. Celtc should not have to stand still while they play catch up with other peoples’ money. Yes, they are a vital part of the overall fitba business in Scotland but we’ve already shown there’s nothing to be gained, either in a fitba sense or in a cultural/civic sense, by kowtowing to them and letting them have their own way! This discussion, principally because of the way The Rangers International Football Club Ltd handles their affairs, is a potential time warp of 2012 to the present day…a neverending circular argument regurgitating a whole gamut of what ifs! TRFC must accept the consequences of whatever course of action they choose, if they did go for good Scottish Fitba would indeed have to reinvent itself…but so what?

Auldheid
May 3, 2023 10:09 am

McCaff

I never mentioned forgiveness and explained what I meant by reconciliation which might require us to reconcile ourselves to the idea that they will never apologise.

As long as we allow their attitude dictate how we should react we are in effect handing them power over our emotions.

Call it passive aggression on their part.

It is very difficult if not impossible to deal with.

Faced with it at a personal level I found accepting it was part of anothers make up and I might as well expect a rabbit to fly helpful in dealing with that reality and so created a more peaceful one for myself free of their behaviour.

My underlying point is not to let past behaviour of others prevent thinking about and exploring a better future.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
May 3, 2023 10:15 am

MAHE,AULDHEID,MCCAFF

Today’s article largely scooped mine,partially written,for tomorrow. Already,the comments have pretty much stated the arguments I made in it. Needs some rework then!

I have to agree with both AULDHEID and MCCAFF,for they are both right in the points that they make. We DO have a responsibility to Scottish football. But we have a responsibility to to the support and to our shareholders. The latter implies that we can only improve our income through success in Europe. And we can’t do that with a parochial mindset.

It’s tough for the rest,but choices have to be made.

McCaff
May 3, 2023 10:19 am

Auldheid…there was no insinuation or other intention by my post except to underline the fact that we can be as tolerant, understanding, forgiving or otherwise but if the guilty party, ie TRFC, are incapable of learning from previous behaviours and at the same time tolerate the socio/cultural deficiencies of both their staff and their customers then as far as I’m concerned they should be left to it! They deserve nothing from Scottish fitba, they take, take, take and forever play the victim. But again, we are in danger of regurgitating a 10 year old conversation. Let them get on with eating themselves from within!

Madmitch
May 3, 2023 10:53 am

Mahe

I will concentrate on the future of the SPL.
At the moment we do not have our troubles to seek.
38 years since someone other than ourselves or a team in Govan have won the SPL.
Duopoly or even a false / schizophrenic duopoly is not a great place for a football league to be.

Portugal gets by with a “Big 3” plus the Bundesliga is not the competition it once was.
So we are not alone — just a case we have had the worst situation for the longest.

The focus for me should not be on the clubs that win the league but it should be on those that don’t.
The Sheep / Hertz / Hibs even the Arabs need to review their efforts as a board / support and ask why the gap?
Here and there players are coming through — my thoughts are that the quality of coaching and the desire to win are the main issues. None of these teams have had these two strengths at the same time in the last 25 years and probably more.

If they don’t have them they won’t even come close.

The RN saga at Hertz where he was fire and brimstone against 10 of the 11 teams he had to play against tells part of the story — they are playing to be the best of the 10 and their ambitions are secondary to their affections for their “Community” football champion. Great that he is gone and hopefully he took that attitude with him but he was not alone.

The SPL need more money coming into the game.

A sponsor for the SC is long overdue.
CL solidarity payments — seems like a good idea.
Closer to home — share the away ticket revenue at P/head with the opposition — better atmosphere / better spectacle.

SPL draft system — financed from the SFA to bring in more young players at 18 from abroad.
Would help us as it would produce more SPL trained players for Euro competitions.
Play the first two years in an expanded B Team environment?

Proper pyramid — 12 teams in the Top 4 leagues allowing two up two down throughout.
Encourage other teams into the senior game — lose the teams that are a social club first and a sporting endeavour second.
Allow more B Teams into the Pyramid and let them rise to a level below their parent club.
Conference league as the 5th Tier.

Proper U18 / U19 youth leagues — SPL teams and focused local teams like Campsie BW — again a proper pyramid to allow more people to get full time training. Include the uni’s in both this and the Lowland League / Conference Pyramid to expand the net.

We need to produce more and better players.
Not wallow in excuses about video games and drink.
We can be a very unsophisticated society at times and too many want to keep it that way.

.

Hoop hoop hooray
May 3, 2023 10:56 am

I think the biggest scandal (ok well one of the biggest) is the thousands of empty seats in stadiums that we or even the tribute act could fill on our travels. In what other entertainment industry do businesses sacrifice tens of thousands of pounds to keep seats empty that they could otherwise fill. Hell nend them. Its their choice.

As for the your other points mahe its not just sbout who wins the league. There is europe, promotion, relegation, top 6 and playoffs all adding to meaning. This season has resulted in very few meaningless matches scross all 4 divisions.

Bayern munich have won the same amount of titles as us this century prior to this season but it doesnt diminish their league. Being top dogs with lack of serious competition only bothers me due to the step up from spfl to europe which is enormous in our case. Thats where we will suffer. And that is never gonna change whilst sky pumps money into the epl meaning teams in the 4th tier can pay higher wages than anyone outside our top 2. Thats the reality

Madmitch
May 3, 2023 11:04 am

Mahe

Blast from the past …
The Sheep and DU flourished 45 years ago because the bar was set quite low.

The 70’s saw our crowds fall away quite dramatically.
Home games against our friends in Govan — our end was a bit sparse around the edges.
1988 league winning game against Dundee it was not.

Our friends in Govan we running scared of an over powerful manager.
We were downsizing before the term gained everyday use.

Consequently they had and saw an achievable target.
Now for various reasons we have moved on and the target is that bit smaller.

However as B/G last season showed — well run clubs with low resources can play good football.
They are the target that SPL must aim for — unfortunately most at the moment can’t be bothered.

Madmitch
May 3, 2023 11:14 am

H3 @ 10.56

Away games — if the home team for whatever reason want to focus on the home support them that is their prerogative.
To play away games with three stands full of our support is just telling the world how much of a mickey mouse league the SPL has become and that we don’t play real competitive football — we just play HG/trotters style exhibition games.

Not good for us / not good for the Scottish game.

Football wages in the SPL vs EngL2 — sounds extreme to me / any examples of this?
Surely the Sheep / Hertz are a bit above that.
Are we talking RC / Livi?

What is the base wage in the SPL?
£600pw plus bonuses?

Lowest squad wage bill?
Is everyone over £1mill?

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
May 3, 2023 11:21 am

MM

“Closer to home — share the away ticket revenue at P/head with the opposition — better atmosphere / better spectacle.”
******
Not even a consideration for me. If and only if a club can guarantee that their ticket allocation to us is sufficient for at least 80% of capacity to be there that day. No way should we consider a gate share with anyone who gives us,like Kilmarnock recently,an allocation of around 20% while the home support can barely muster that themselves-in the rest of the entire stadium!

It was around 45% of capacity that day,a deliberate tactic which can be defined as poking themselves in the eye simply to stick two fingers up to us. I’m done with helping the community,in this respect. Fuck them. They get what they deserve.

Auldheid
May 3, 2023 11:26 am

McCaff

I never suggested they get help. I was saying dont let their behaviour stop us exploring the greater good of the game.

I hesitate to refer to Gibran “On Pain” which is where they are.

Apart from ” Pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding” at the beginning of the stanza about pain the following almost personalises it for them.

” Much of your pain is self-chosen.
It is the BITTER potion by which the physician within you heals your sick self.

When they have eaten themselves into irrelevance the conditions for a metanoia will be at their best but by feck they are determined not to surrender. Hell will mend them.

So putting aside what they deserve and looking at ideas from a wider perspective what needs to be done to save Scottish football from it’s current duopoly business model.

MM has come up with good ideas.

McCaff
May 3, 2023 11:29 am

If all clubs run at optimum income and investment is maximised due to that extra funding and the game is still mono- or duopolistic then revenue sharing could be a consideration. Whilst we have club chairmen who refuse £30 a head from thousands of supporters up to 4 times a year WHY should we be giving them handouts! The idea is a nonsense to any business owner!!

Auldheid
May 3, 2023 11:37 am

MM

The Chairman of the SFSA would very much agree with a lot of your suggestions (as would I).

His hobby horse is the absence of school’s football ever since a teacher’s strike way back stopped teachers giving up their free time to make it happen. I think he has a point and it should be part of SFSA thinking on grass roots issues.

How much of diverted Solidarity Money would be needed to prime the grass roots stove by teachers getting an incentive to get involved again and councils being able to charge less for pitch hire. Maybe busy parents who have to attend grass roots games might get an incentive too although they do it for the love of their kids.

McCaff
May 3, 2023 11:38 am

MM…I don’t want to bring up previous conversations but this idea of bringing in 18 year olds from abroad is disgusting! Investment should be in our own coaches and youths and creating opportunities for them to play. I know we’ve discussed this at length but my God, bringing in foreign players because we can’t produce our own!! That’s no solution either short or long term! Get yourself down to your local parks this weekend, have a look. You’ll see there’s boys there desperate to play.

Madmitch
May 3, 2023 11:38 am

BMCUW @ 11.21

OMG — please come off that fence and tell us what you really think …

My thoughts are that it is their ground and they do with it what they wish.
Playing to three stands full of our support is just us rubbing their noses in it.
Fair enough when we could win the league 10ish years ago but not a regular spectacle.

We have to give something back.
We need to engage with the rest of the SPL in a positive manner.
We are not SDM putting Airdrie into the grubber.

We need a credible league to play in and to me that doesn’t mean wringing the cloth dry at every opportunity.
TFOD2.1 out of the SPL — bit of an unexpected bounce given the variety of teams that won a cup.

As for our friends in Govan — not sure that they would survive another financial implosion.
The problem would be that those who return would be zoomers who would be spoiling for a fight.
With us / with everyone / with everything — not good.

If they play it straight — I know / I know / when have they ever — they can support a £50mill footballing budget.
They would have a £5mill investment in the playing squad plus anyone they can move on.
If they can forgo the ego trips / triumphalism / the tenner for a fiver they may get somewhere.

Good manager / good coach — they would be competitive even without the impact of Ludge MIB / Ludge VAR.
The trick would be the Sheep and Hertz et al to make full use of a £10mill / £15mill playing budget.

CFC
May 3, 2023 11:43 am

To save Scottish football you have to a regulatory body that is fit for purpose, and not run by representatives of clubs that can hardly muster a couple of thousand fans.

Parochialism has got us where we currently reside.
Til that mindset is swept away, mediocrity remains.

We also shouldn’t sustain 4 leagues.
League attendances are in the hundreds in all of league two and 80% of league one.
Amalgamate those clubs that want to participate in a leaner league structure.

McCaff
May 3, 2023 11:44 am

NUTSHELL…”To save Scottish football you have to a regulatory body that is fit for purpose”

McCaff
May 3, 2023 11:48 am

I said it last week or the week before. Possibly in my overlong chat with MM. We need a root and branch clearout in Scottish Fitba. The SFA is nowt but a sham, the SPFL not much better. Jobs for boys throughout the system…all the way down to boys fitba and SYFA-employed coaches and staff that are never seen down the kids’ divisions. The problem is…there’s nobody sufficiently willing ororganised enough to change it!

Madmitch
May 3, 2023 11:54 am

McC @ 11.38

I know we are going over old ground but …

Desperate to play — but play what exactly and what is holding them back?
Why can’t these youths not get a full-time contract and a start in senior football?
Is it coaching / is it talent / is it opportunity?

Look at the quality in the Lowland League — it is a pretty low bar to get a game from what I can see

Where is the innovation / the new thinking / the better way of doing things?
Publicity regarding football riches / EPL wages has only encouraged the Klondykers to colonise youth football.
Thirty years ago their da’s were fitting CR Smith windaes because it paid well.
It is just more of the same off YouTube and new snazzy training gear.

Football in Scotland at the moment does not have enough good players.
There is a shortage of talent and ability all across the game at the moment.
We should be investigating every avenue to take things forward.

Look at the club — the Glee Club @ St Ninians is doing so well they are prospecting all around NW Europe for new talent at 18. Should we stop that and look closer to home?

Or are we already doing that and the results aren’t great.

Me — I think we should copy Iceland / sorry clone the game in Iceland and build more indoor pitches.
Given the current budgets for new secondary schools — a full sized indoor pitch should be included in every newbuild.

Madmitch
May 3, 2023 11:58 am

CFC @ 11.43

So you are saying we need less senior football?

Not sure I am getting this — fewer senior clubs means fewer senior opportunities for our youth to aspire to?
Is that what you are putting forward because it will upset quite a few and some who post on here.

McCaff
May 3, 2023 11:58 am

MM…apologies but I can’t get into this again! It’s too repetitive and time-consuming. You appear to have ideas of how you think it works, how our youth are uninterested/unfit/not good enough or whatever. I’ve given you examples of how there are no systems in place to develop Youth fitba but you seem unable to accept facts from your idealism.

Auldheid
May 3, 2023 12:01 pm

McCaff

The Chairmen of clubs below top two are only responding to the wishes of their support who are fed up watching their teams get gubbed to the enjoyment of visiting fans.

A bit like Christian’s trying to keep supporters of the lions from attending the Colleseum.

I can understand that, although nearest I’ve been is watching Barca gub us 6 ? a few years ago in the CL.

However if the chances of being gubbed are reduced by prospect of big visitors glee being reduced by better competition then perhaps thinking will change.

The thing about football is that it is interdependent by it’s very nature which means every club relies on each other club to one degree or another.

It is written into SFA Articles of Association
5. Obligations to fellow members where 5? requires each club to act with the utmost good faith to fellow members.

Rangers ignored that when they started using ebts and unsustainable bank debt from 2000.

Scottish football is still poisoned by that breach of trust because it has never been recognised as such and indeed has been covered up by SFA/SPFL to benefit of the the big two as far as other club supporters see it.

CFC
May 3, 2023 12:12 pm

Mm

Better senior football in a leaner, more competitive league structure.
Sustaining a league watched by a few hundred each week is pointless.
There is no economy of scale. Cost advantages and growth through greater efficiency.
If that means the end for some in a better professional league structure then they revert to what they really are- community recreational clubs.
Allow b teams to compete against better opponents.

We are supposed to be thinking radically are we not?

McCaff
May 3, 2023 12:12 pm

Auldheid…I get the arguments both for and against the extra visitors in your own stadium but for a Club chairman to refuse say £.0.5 million a year from Celtic and TRFC potential ticket sales I’d suggest the problems aren’t the Big Two! That kind of money over a 3 or 4 year period invested in Youth player/Coaches could see dividends pretty quickly if invested well. Youth players sold on to either of the Big Two or moving down south could see further investment! All fans want to see home grown players at their clubs, there’s nothing better in my opinion. That in itself could be a draw for fans, to see their club showcasing their own homegrown talent. My point is that if clubs should be doing all they can to maximise their business and at the moment they’re not doing it!

Madmitch
May 3, 2023 12:12 pm

McC @ 11.58

I know we have done this to death before but the basic point still stands.
Where is the gap in the chain that is letting us down?

We have quite a bit of youth football
Most of it is enthusiastic parents but limited coaching.
Some of it is “Pro Youth” type stuff with better / proper coaches and more badges.

To me their are games available up to at least U16 and most probably U18.
Then there is the amateur game / the junior game / the Lowland League and finally the Seniors.
Given the bumfluff spotted on the Killie bench recently – money must be tight — their are 17/18 year olds getting into the SPL this season and probably their always has been.

So where is the gap / where is the disconnect?
To me it was a lack of coaching and poor facilities that is holding us back.

Madmitch
May 3, 2023 12:20 pm

CFC @ 12.12

We are probably closer to agreement that you think.

I wouldn’t have the divide between senior and recreational / community clubs.
I would just have a more dynamic and active league pyramid to drive forward standards.

If we are to rationalise the club set up — who decides who lives and who “dies”?

Cost advantages / greater efficiency / economies of scale — sounds very close to business techno babble aka low rent orthodox economics — this is a sport we are discussing not a commodity.

You have to take the game / the support with you — better to allow competition to play a part in the selection process than some centralised body make the calls.

McCaff
May 3, 2023 12:22 pm

MM…apologies again but I’m not getting drawn into this. Believe it or not kids’ fitba means a helluva lot to me and I took a long time explaining certain aspects of it to you last week but I got the impression that you weren’t really bothered with my viewpoint and were more interested in forwarding your own idealistic opinions without any evidence. If you really want answers to today’s questions you can read back because I’d really just be repeating everything I told you last week! If you have evidence that there is a system, and that scouting and coaching are adequate and that there are ample opportunities for boys to succeed in Scotland then I’d like to see it. It doesn’t exist in my experience!

Madmitch
May 3, 2023 12:31 pm

McC @ 12.22

I was hoping for some constructive chat / some basic nuggets.
Coaches — Pro youth badge collectors bad / enthusiastic selfless amateurs good — that sort of thing.

Last week you didn’t now there was a SPL U18 league on the go.
Consequently to die in a ditch of your own making based on a flawed / limited view of reality is strange.

To me anyway.

McCaff
May 3, 2023 12:36 pm

Typically and unsurprisingly MM, a cheap shot! I did explain that I had seen the U18s fixtures that you’d posted but there was no League tables published ANYWHERE! Why not? Are the U18s not important enough? Is the standard not good enough? Are the fixtures irregular? Are the venues in which they play inaccessible for supporters or substandard to the level we’d expect? Why not promote this League and encourage supporters to attend? I also told you I’d spoken to someone with knowledge of all levels of fitba in Scotland and he was at a loss as to why the U18s was so ignored!
Of course, if you have answers to any of this I’m happy to be educated!
The floor is yours…

Leggy
May 3, 2023 12:37 pm

Good afternoon all from Sweeney’s On The Park 🍺🍺

Good job that BRRB fella is in Dublin 😂😂

CFC
May 3, 2023 12:46 pm

Mm

A new progressive regulatory body, losing the “wee club” chairmen mentality, with a growth programme can make the hard calls.

If we lose, for example, teams currently below Dunfermline and Falkirk in Div 1, the few supporters of those teams can get their fix at a level below new professionally run leagues where top flight b teams can be represented and play against better financed opponents via a distribution model that is more equitable.

Jobo Baldie
May 3, 2023 12:56 pm

In relation to youth football I see that BBC Scotland are showing tonight’s Celtic v Sevco U18 Scottish Cup final. 7pm kick off.

The Gombeen Man
May 3, 2023 12:56 pm

Any proposed reform of Scottish football will be adopted with the goal of cutting Celtic down to size and to line the pockets of the usual suspects.

History has the annoying habit of repeating itself, until the painful lessons are learned.

We have an apparently corrupt ex-First Minister acting as Chairman of the lobby group, the Scottish Football Supporters Association (SFSA).

Henry had to resign due to a muddle (not a fiddle) over double-claiming of expenses.

The SFSA are about to issue recommendations in the hope that the Scottish Government implement change.

The Scottish Government are under investigation by Police Scotland due to apparent financial irregularities.

Police Scotland and the Scottish Prosecution Service have recently cost the Scottish taxpayer north of £60m due to a series of malicious prosecutions connected to the light touch administration of Rangers conducted by Duff and Phelps.

Duff and Phelps in their new guise of the company called Kroll are acting as administrators for Elite Sports and are currently suing Newco for breach of contract.

The CL model didn’t kill Rangers.
Greed did.

The incompetence and prejudice of executives at Ibrox and Hampden. A subservient media, a supremacist mindset, corrupt bankers and obsequious officials killed Rangers.

That entitled mindset marched straight back into the boardroom – Dave King. He led Newco down the path of the costly courtroom embarrassments and confetti shares. Hiding behind hurriedly issued misleading statements.

– Very little has changed in Scotland.

That mindset still prevails.

And the solution?

Give the individuals in positions of power in Scottish football more money in the hope that they see the light and reform the game?

– Not a hope.

Scotland’s problems run much deeper than football. Football’s difficulties are the symptom of a much deeper malady.

Scotland has a deeply entrenched problem with legitimised corruption.

It’s camouflaged by the WATP propaganda. Anything goes when it comes to The People.

Throwing money at it, in the hope it changes will only exacerbate the problem. Reports by discredited establishment figures is simply more of the same.

Scotland needs, new blood, new thinking. Not thinking restricted by the constraints of conditioned thinking.

It’s the denial and acceptance of corruption that’s at the heart of the matter.

The elephant in room is always ignored in the best wee country in the world.

Growth in Scotland is stifled by an often unconscious small-minded bigotry.

Until that bias is nailed, you can produce as many glossy reports as you like. You can produce graphs and bar charts all you like but until that unacceptable bigotry is called out across the board.

– You’re wasting your time.

Too many hangers on. Too many cliques. Too many masking their failings behind a dodgy handshake and an invented history.

Scotland needs to wake-up to the reality of her own failings.

With the arrival of Murray in 1988, Celtic suffered unprecedented levels of cheating. Celtic also had to deal with the liquidation and demise of Rangers.

The only relatively consistent model of executive thinking in the deeply flawed model of professional football has consistently been at Celtic – often in the face of adverse circumstances.

What do Celtic have to say about the level of competition? What changes would Celtic potentially support?

Why don’t those campaigning for change ask the executives of the most successful Club in Scotland how to reform the game?

Surely better competition is the the interests of ‘the company.’

Better still why don’t the SFA or SPFL recruit from the young talent pool in executive positions at Celtic?

– Now I think we’ve arrived at the problem.

Anything connected to Celtic is linked to the Irish, the Taig or Tarrier.

The notion that more resources will improve the Scottish Problem is a fantasy.

Scotland needs to collectively decide if she wants to remain in the slow lane of sectarian entitlement.

The preferred Scottish solution will be to undermine the Taig team by reducing their revenue. It’s not about football, it’s about maintaining the position of The People and those lucrative income streams that flow with it.

Harlem Celts
May 3, 2023 12:59 pm

I think if the smaller clubs don’t want to give us a bigger allocation of tickets that’s their right. Their fans see us as the ugly sisters and when we turn up its basically a 90 min sash bash or IRA bash from the stands. I know guys who are season ticket holders for their clubs but give it a miss when either of the Glasgow big two turn up because they find the songbook toxic

Cosy Corner Bhoy
May 3, 2023 1:10 pm

I certainly wouldn’t be of ANY assistance to Der Hun. Long May their navel gazing and looking up at us continue. Agree no shouts for us to get an assist during their nine, so sod ‘em
As a matter of interest Bayern Munich winning their x amount of leagues didn’t bring down the Bundeslig

Cosy Corner Bhoy
May 3, 2023 1:16 pm

Needless to say never read comments b4 submitting my effort! I’m with Hoop Hoop Hurray😀