Be The Best We Can Be

Morning,all. 

MAHE fair put the cat amongst the pigeons yesterday,and actually scooped the article I had already partially written for today. 

Be that as it may,it was a very interesting article indeed,particularly the last few paragraphs. A lot to think about there alone. A couple of conundrums too. 

He rightly stated that We Never Stop,and I certainly don’t want a return to the penny wise,pound foolish days of PL. Our goal now should be to improve our results and profile in Europe,to have as good a side as is affordable under our unique geographical restrictions. Success breeds success-it improves our attraction for new players while increasing the prices of those already there. Sells more merchandise and brings in increased TV and prize money. The more we bring in,the more we can spend to improve the team.

Yet when we put the brakes on,we find domestic challenges. But they have only come from Hearts in 2006 and Rangers in 2008-11. Both went bust due to overspending in the process! The spending at TRIFCo from 2020 till present,plus the previous eight years,threatens to send them the same way. So we can’t have a legitimate,fully funded,challenge. Only financially doped ones-unless there’s another miracle worker somewhere,a la Jock,Fergie,Wee Jum or even Cloughie!

So,for us to achieve our potential in Europe,we have to be the best we can be. We have the resources already there,we just need the mind-set,the imagination,to do so. But if we do that,we run the risk of grinding the domestic game into the ground. They simply would not be capable of raising their own levels to compete,not without risking financial oblivion. 

It’s an interesting quandary. If we have a primary duty to the Scottish game,then it is our duty to downsize in order to allow others to be competitive. Or to share the largesse,which should never be the option. If our primary duty is to our fans,our history and our self-respect,it is to be the best we can be. Similarly if our primary duty is to our shareholders-to maximise income and profit,which is best done by having success on the pitch. 

Fergus built us a bloody huge stadium in the face of widespread ridicule,the biggest possible given the boundary restrictions involved. He did it because he knew we would fill it,because we deserve it,and because he saw the income disparity potential. We kept our side of the bargain,and he kept his. That trust was largely eroded by his successors,but there seems to be a reawakening,a realignment of priorities,at the upper echelons of our club.

For years,we complained about being held back by our domestic game. It wasn’t true,not one bit. It was our club which put the brakes on,in a misguided attempt to keep a level of competition in the domestic game. It cost us massively,and our efforts certainly weren’t appreciated by the rest of Scotland in any case. Our reputation in Europe flatlined. Our income joined it. The lesson from those wasted years is therefore clear. We must surely now accept that responsibility for competition in Scotland is none of our concern. That it is for others to step up to the plate.

Our job is simple. Be the best we can be. Judge ourselves by our peers-in Europe,not at home. Aim to beat those European peers on a regular basis,while the money and the offers flow as a result. We have allowed ourselves to be held back by the rest of the country for too long. Indeed,for too long we have used that as a convenient excuse. And to our cost too. We certainly got no thanks for it. 

No,be the best we can be. We can’t nanny the domestic game forever.

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A perfect example of why it is pointless for us to help out our neighbours in Scotland was delivered yesterday,in timely fashion,by the SFA. They proudly announced that their showpiece match of the season,The Scottish Cup Final,would be moved back to a 530pm kick-off. Typically,they declined to give a reason for this decision,even though the obvious reason is that under police instruction,the FA moved their showpiece,the Manchester Cup Final,to a conflicting 3pm ko. The broadcasters were horrified,fearing the impact on audience levels.

This is not a good look. Especially as our match details were set long before those down south,where the 530pm ko has been the standard for over a decade now. Ironically for the purposes of a TV audience. There is no consideration given to the fans-remember them,they were once considered important?-who have to travel some distance to attend.

ICT fans will not be able to return by train,and those travelling by road will be lucky to be on their way by sundown. Our fans from distances similarly far afield will have the same problems. Those living south of,say,Birmingham will be lucky to be back in time for breakfast. Our Irish contingent have little choice but to cough up for a hotel overnight. Try getting one in Glasgow for less than £100 and see how far you get. Additionally,they will have to rebook their flight/ferry for the Sunday,again an additional expense.

To add insult to injury,the SFA had the temerity to thank both clubs in arriving at this decision. Trolling of the highest order. Both clubs released their own statement on the situation,and made it clear that there had been no consultation and certainly no agreement. That their concerns were for the additional burden placed on the fans. Essentially,they told the SFA to ram their excuses,to man up to a unilateral decision.

Now,today’s article may be in two very disparate parts. But there is a connection between them. These are the people entrusted to run our game. The people to whom we are meant to defer. The very ones who continually gaslight us over the viability of VAR,for instance. And this is what we get for buying into the system? Treated as being of no concern whatsoever,but expected to accept responsibility for decisions made with which we profoundly disagree?

Oh indeed,those two parts are connected. Scottish football is a disaster,a zombie nation. Not our problem anymore. We tried,at great cost to our coffers and to our reputation. It ended up nearly dragging us down with it. The SFA is dysfunctional and not fit for purpose,and again we have gone to great lengths to help. Fat lot of thanks we got,obviously.

No,we can’t leave Scottish football to play elsewhere. But we can wash our hands of it,and leave it where it belongs. We must have bigger ambitions. And we have to be more ruthless,100% focused,on achieving them.
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Above article by BMCUWP

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BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
May 4, 2023 1:43 am

MAHE posted a terrific comment at 1219 am,bottom of P4,previous article. Just as I was tidying up and finalising my own article,he gave very good reasons why he thinks it is wrong. And he hadn’t even seen it yet!

Those very good reasons are difficult to disagree with when you read them. But I stand by mine,that we have tried. And at great cost to ourselves. For me,we no longer owe the Scottish game a thing.

The Star Above The Crest
May 4, 2023 1:47 am

I know it’s not going to happen but I’d love to see ourselves and ICT tell the SFA we don’t want any tickets for the final if it’s to be played at 5.30pm. If the TV audience is the most important consideration then let’s encourage all fans of both clubs stay at home and watch the game on their TVs. Get those viewing figures up.

16 Roads
May 4, 2023 5:21 am

We’ll get our reward in heaven for having to endure this insanity, surely?

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/primarks-coronation-merchandise-policy-branded-26836419#comments-wrapper

😭😭😭
🤣🤣🤣
🤡🤡🤡

HH.🍀

Craig 76
May 4, 2023 7:08 am

13 mins of highlights of youth cup final

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
May 4, 2023 7:55 am

CRAIG76

Some great football in there. Thanks. But either I can’t count or they missed out one of our extra time goals.

Big Audio Dynamite
May 4, 2023 8:02 am

I’ll probably have to take a day off from going to the foodbank, so that I don’t miss anything of the coronation.

Fool Britannia.

Craig76
May 4, 2023 8:08 am

BMCUWP
The 5th goal was just after the sending off

CFC
May 4, 2023 8:17 am

B A D

An excerpt from The Celtic Blog but worth sharing I thought;

“Neither) in science, nor in art, nor in literature, nor in exploration, nor in mechanical invention, nor in humanising of laws, nor in any sphere of human activity has a representative of British royalty helped forward the moral, intellectual or material improvement of mankind. But that royal family has opposed every forward move, fought every reform, persecuted every patriot, and intrigued against every good cause. Slandering every friend of the people, it has befriended every oppressor. Eulogised today by misguided clerics, it has been notorious in history for the revolting nature of its crimes. Murder, treachery, adultery, incest, theft, perjury – every crime known to man has been committed by someone or other of the race of monarchs from whom King George is proud to trace his descent … We will not blame him for the crimes of his ancestors if he relinquishes the royal rights of his ancestors; but as long as he claims their rights, by virtue of descent, then, by virtue of descent, he must shoulder the responsibility for their crimes.”

James Connolly 1910

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
May 4, 2023 8:32 am

CRAIG76

Cheers,definitely lost count!

Big Audio Dynamite
May 4, 2023 8:47 am

CFC,

Those that control this world like nothing better than laughing at us and our ignorance of the real truth.
Have another look at the person big lugs married, it’s just another big man in drag.
They are weird sickos!!

GER57
May 4, 2023 8:48 am

James Connelly with a perfect summary of the monarchy. Thanks CFC.
Should we somehow help to make our game more competitive? It would help if our competitors at least tried to play football. I’m with Bobby on this one. Let them stew in their own juice.
We’ll start helping if they
1) Sort out the referees.
2) …..er …. That’s it.

Auldheid
May 4, 2023 9:00 am

Mahe

From previous.

I’m not sure a PLC can legally do solidarity payments, but I much prefer that option than number one. If one happens,,,hold my beer.
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A decision to increase Solidarity payment to be spread amongst non UEFA competing clubs for agreed development purposes (which rules out the thinking it is helping RFtdc that crept into some replies) would ultimately be UEFAs, not the competing clubs That is the position now and given Sustainability is a key aim of FSR , if it creates an unsustainable domestic competition then it is an idea UEFA might want to implement with the agreement of all Scottish clubs.

If it were not for the clubs who failed to reach the UEFA stage there would be no league to win to get into Europe so they have a case to be helped to improve their chances of reaching UEFA competition.

It is not about greed , more some redistribution of wealth for the good of the game.

CFC
May 4, 2023 9:08 am

Enhanced distribution of Euro money across a two/ three league setup, properly utilised in facilities/ player development would be my aim.

No plastic pitches for a start. And allow top flight b teams to participate in a more competitive environment.

Auldheid
May 4, 2023 9:13 am

BMCUW

For me,we no longer owe the Scottish game a thing.
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For me we depend on the Scottish game for a living.

It is in Celtic’s interest as long as they are in the Scottish game to keep it as healthy as possible.

The trick is how.

Mahe did not like my option One ie we stop not stopping, neither do I but in looking at options all possibilities need to be considered .

The problem with option One is Celtic could take it without announcing it. I dont think it is one they would favour but it brings other options into consideration.

Good debate though.

Madmitch
May 4, 2023 9:14 am

BMCUW

I think you are being very hard on the SFA.
Who made the call to change the KO time — the SFA or the broadcasters?
My initial thought would be the broadcasters were pushing for the change.
If this is correct then they need to take most of the flak.

Root cause analysis — the issue is with the London Plod and the fact that the FA Cup Final is a Manc derby.
Then you can add in the limitations of the transport links from London to Manchester.
As you note they have been playing the game at 5.30 in the evening for some time now.

With the FA moving to a 3pm KO — what should the SFA have done?
Did the broadcasters ask for the KO time to be changed or was it a SFA only decision?
If it was the broadcasters and the SFA refused — would that mean the broadcast rights would be worth less in the future?

Change at the last minute is awkward — however the way football is consumed is changing.
Big games now — more and more people are taking the next day off.
Then there is the issue of tickets — have they been allocated yet?
Plus more people are staying over anyway.

As for ICT — all the situation is highlighting is the shocking state of the railways in Natland.
Disgrace that the last train out of Glasgow for inverness is 19.30 on a Saturday or indeed most days.
Then you have the issue that it is not direct and takes 3hrs 40 minutes all in.
The Titfield Thunderbolt would be ashamed of that performance.

As stated earlier — what should the SFA have done?
Stuck to the 3pm kick off and told the broadcasters to ram it?
The main thing now is to make the most of the publicity and get a bigger audience down south.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
May 4, 2023 9:28 am

MM

I made it perfectly plain that the decision came about because of the FA Cup final being rescheduled,and how that petrified the broadcasters. Being harsh on the SFA? You bet. They showed themselves to be happy to accept second place,despite the major inconvenience for the fans. And then tried to shift the blame for it.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
May 4, 2023 9:32 am

MM

Remember please that we prefer to avoid politics on this site. My political allegiances are no secret,but even I take exception to my homeland being called Natland. I’ll delete any future reference to it.

Madmitch
May 4, 2023 9:38 am

BMCUW

We need to do as much as we can to improve the SPL — as the biggest club with broadest shoulders we need to do the most.
No matter the political slant of the board — our progressive roots and our resources mean we need to do our bit.
If we don’t then we run the risk of falling into the gap between playing in the SPL and playing in Europe.
Keeping it all too ourselves is not who we are.

Ask yourself this — what did SDM do?
We should aim for the exact opposite.

Hearts and minds — the sun beat the wind in the race to get the jacket off.
That was hearts not Hertz …

We need to push for a dynamic pyramid system / proper visible youth competitions / greater B team involvement / no plastic pitches in the top 2 divisions / better refereeing standards — Failing that just copy Iceland..

On the last point having VAR decisions overturned shows how far our standards have fallen.

Then we need to work and plan for the future — £200mill T/O target for 2030.
AP has shown what a real growth agenda can deliver and we need more of it.
But we cannot be a cathedral in the desert — we will end up with no-one credible locally to play against.
If we work to good standards / efficient management then the rest of the SPL will have no excuses.

If we invest in better youth coaching then that will improve the quality of the SPL.
The few will make it with us but the many will be available for the other clubs to chase.

In the dim and distant past that was the case — just in the past 10 years growing numbers of youth players have struggled even in the SCh — not good.

Madmitch
May 4, 2023 9:40 am

BMCUW

Phew that was close — I thought for a moment you were going to accuse me of trainspotting.

I might be a transport geek but I do have standards.

The Gombeen Man
May 4, 2023 9:45 am

Thanks lads for the comments yesterday.

So it’s the Celtic Women v Sevco Women @ 7pm this evening. Let’s hope there’s no repetition of backstabbing headbutt that occurred after the last encounter.

Of course James Connolly could quite as easily have been talking about that other monarch who presides from Rome.

Will the coronation of Charles III encourage some dialogue in Scotland about what exactly happened during the Restoration and the coronation of Charles II.

What happened to the Covenants he had signed? Why did Scotland dump the irrevocable Covenants? Why did the wealthy dump so much of the progress made during the Reformation?

Did the Restoration simply turn the clock back and restore the dominance of the privileged few?

Auldheid,

It sounds to me that skimming the gate money or UEFA payments is a Scottish way of avoiding reality.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul (or Billy) if you like.

– Did you mention previously that Financial Redistribution wasn’t going to be a part of the Report?

We’ll see what the SFSA produce when they publish.

The White Paper in England was produced mainly because of the adverse public reaction to the proposed Super League. There is no such consensus in Scotland.

The Scottish Government/ Establishment have shown little that gives me any hope that their involvement in football will be a positive development for the game.

Scotland needs to see that the old attitudes are economically unsound.

The nod and a wink culture allows at best incompetents to rise to positions of influence.

On that basis, Mr McLeish’s antecedents really should have be a matter of concern for the SFSA. Especially if the Report goes anywhere near financial redistribution.

This ‘move on, nothing to see’ default Scottish culture needs to be addressed.

The WATP mindset is just dumb. It’s holding Scotland back.

I won’t comment further on this until after the SFSA publish their thoughts.

Mahe,

There’s a lot of good intentions in what you’re saying. I’d wait and see what Celtic say, if anything. They really are the only body with any credibility in Scotland.

Scotland is dysfunctional and needs to change.

Propping it up by funding the cretins that run football won’t work.

Celtic aren’t seen by many as an equal part of the the Scottish game. We are seen as Tarriers, Tinkers, Taigs – Interlopers.

The fact that the national game in the best wee country in the world is dominated by the descendants of worthless Taigs. Despite the efforts of the establishment should be celebrated.

Don’t give them an easy way out.

Scotland needs to face reality.

The philosophy that dominates Scotland needs to be exposed as fraudulent propaganda.

Have a good day everyone.

Here’s hoping the Celtic Women can complete a Treble for the Club tonight.

Till later, many great posts on here recently.

Madmitch
May 4, 2023 9:58 am

TGM @ 9.45

You beat them at their own game.

They can’t ignore CL / EuL credibility / they cant ignore bricks and mortar / they can’t ignore an economic surplus.
If we can gain football credibility from down south / Europe / the world — they won’t be able to ignore it.
They might not like it but they won’t be able to ignore it.

So regarding AP and his growth agenda — full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes.

And what about ICT in the SCF — Go full Roman and plough salt into the rubble.
We owe them big time after that bloody headline.
Not every heart just a voting majority.

JimmynotPaul
May 4, 2023 10:04 am

4th May 2010, Celtic 2:1 Rangers.

Naylor and Fortune.

First victory over them in 7 games. https://t.co/L2Yk10WPvF

JimmynotPaul
May 4, 2023 10:04 am

4th May 1997, Hibs 1:3 Celtic.

Cadete(2) and Di Canio. @JorgeCadete11 https://t.co/B1URhgvFOs

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
May 4, 2023 10:04 am

AULDHEID

I have a lot of sympathy with your thoughts on this. But we tried in the past to “manage expectations” by lowering our standards to suit the rest of Scottish football. It was hardly a roaring success.

It takes a lot for Celtic fans not to bother turning up for a game. Especially when they have already paid for the ticket! But Celtic managed that,to the extent of splashing out for expensive banners to cover the upper tiers-closed for the first time ever. We actually became a loss-making club,such was,literally,the lack of support for this plan.

If UEFA introduce a mandated redistribution of some of the income awarded to teams competing in their competitions,I will be all for it,believe me. But if it is voluntary,or imposed locally by the SFA,I will strongly condemn it.

If for no other reason than that the instruction will be reversed the minute the huns regain the upper hand. And you know how it works!

I’ve had it with Celtic trying to be all things to all kinds of people who treat us with utter contempt. Been there,bought the postcard. Screw them. Time to look out for ourselves,for once.

JimmynotPaul
May 4, 2023 10:05 am

4th May 1974, Celtic beat Dundee Utd 3:0 to win the Scottish Cup.

Hood, Murray and Deans. https://t.co/YsUZgzElu2

JimmynotPaul
May 4, 2023 10:05 am

4th May 2019, Celtic beat Aberdeen 3:0 at Pittodrie to win the title.

Lustig, Jozo and Edouard. @SimunovicJozo @Oedouard22 https://t.co/JESn6RfyEz

JimmynotPaul
May 4, 2023 10:06 am

4th May 1996, Celtic 4:1 Raith Rovers.

Cadete(2), Gray and Grant. @JorgeCadete11 https://t.co/ms97rLBKUZ

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
May 4, 2023 10:09 am

JIMMYNOTPAUL

What a bloody player Jorge Cadete was for us. Such a shame things didn’t work out.

Big Audio Dynamite
May 4, 2023 10:16 am

Just keep racking up the trebles and sicken them all.
As Ange keeps saying, concentrate on us.
If no one is up to the challenge of matching us, too bad!
Never forget how we are viewed in this wee backwater.
As far as most are concerned, the wrong team is on top.
I hope we keep dominating till the end of time.

Auldheid
May 4, 2023 10:47 am

BMCUW

I dont see Celtic reverting to Option One for the reasons you give.

Option Two is already part of UEFAs remit and only they can take the lead.

I think it possible that they will have to if FSR is damaging to non UEFA competing teams country by country..

I dont know where the idea that helping the huns came from.
Certainly not from my suggestion.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
May 4, 2023 11:06 am

AULDHEID

I don’t think anyone mentioned helping the huns. But the reality is,since you mention it,that such an outcome is inevitable when we downsize to suit everyone else,or otherwise redistribute our earned income.

The thing to remember here is that the Plc are responsible for how they spend our income. But that income is simply not possible without the fans. The Plc learned a few harsh lessons not so long ago,and I doubt they wish to push their luck again.

Bada Bing
May 4, 2023 12:35 pm
Madmitch
May 4, 2023 1:32 pm

Season ticket rise — 3%’ish from KDS chat.
One interesting issue is that the season ticket is now seemingly only for the 19 league games.
No friendlies — Euro qualifiers if we need them — are now to be included.

Given the demand they had to rise so this is one way to keep the cost down.
Just a case of will they be able to arrange home friendlies that people will want to go and see?
With the waiting list there are always those who will take any ticket they can buy.

Now for the Main Stand rebuild.

JimDom
May 4, 2023 1:45 pm

Be The Best We Can Be

That sentiment should be a given, but the last suit to acknowledge this was Fergus McCann, as BMCUWP mentions. Fergus built it and we did come, and we continue to come. Just about every league game in 22/23 sold out. Even that didn’t happen during the MON or Rodgers years. We are in a window of opportunity.

Fergus handed the baton to Dermot but, rather than running with it, DD stuck it in a drawer and embraced the SustainableBusinessModel. Has willing pasty Lawwell onboard to implement the strategy. That patsy was spotted at Hampden last night, alongside Ange. Seeking popularity by association perhaps Peter ? Fair enough, but always a charlatan as far as I’m concerned.

Profit, dividend, stay-ahead-of-Rangers. The Celtic PLC holy trinity. Be (not quite) The Best We Can Be.

As a resident of South Lanarkshire, I don’t mind the half 5 SCF kick-off. An entirely selfish attitude, granted. Our North American diaspora might also be pleased at the decision. I also doubt the sincerity of Celtic’s “hugely disappointed” response to the decision. The lounges at CP will be rammed all day with the Manc FA Cup Final followed by our treble clincher . Kerching £££££.

Incredible to think that 40 years ago we were in a three way battle for the title. And not a blue jersey in sight. The team that finishes third in this day and age, regards that as winning their own league. Third is the new first, for Aberdeen, Hearts, etc.

SteveNaive
May 4, 2023 1:48 pm

MM

Good points thanks.
Genuine question, ‘better coached” ?
Could you elaborate?

IniquitousIV
May 4, 2023 1:52 pm

BMCUWP
“ICT fans will not be able to return by train, and those traveling by road will be lucky to be on their way by sundown.”
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Hi Bobby. Great article, and even more impressive as it was done at short notice.

I was struck by the above sentence. A couple of seasons ago, the Washington Nationals won the World Series ( I know – only one country involved😊 ). Some of the evening games ran late due to either slow play or extra innings, and past the regular last Metro subway and commuter train departure times.

What did the organizing baseball authorities do? They arranged with both transportation modes to have the last trains wait until the games were over to accommodate fans returning home.

Simple eh? Why can’t the numpties on sinecures at the SFA get off their duffs and do the obvious? It is not outside the realms of possibility that the cup final may go to extra time or even penalties. Train departures to Inverness should be deferred to accommodate every possibility, and compensation paid to allow for rail staff overtime. Seems to be a step too far in the best wee country in the world.
IniquitousIV

IniquitousIV
May 4, 2023 1:58 pm

JimDom
“Our North American diaspora might also be pleased at the decision.”
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No mate, we are not. We are used to watching games at 7:00AM or earlier.
A 3:00 PM kick off in Bonnie Scoddland is 10:00AM on the east coast here and 7:00 AM on the west. Piece of cake! Or actually a large Irish breakfast at kick off time.

Madmitch
May 4, 2023 2:38 pm

SN @ 1.48

Better coaching — called for it quite a lot recently.
What is the context in which you ask the question?

Our first team?
Our youths?
The SPL?
Age group football?

Basic point — Steve Clarke is a much better coach than lets say .. Robbie Nielsen.
Well to me anyway and I would want any coach to deliver the standards of SC and less so RN.

Harlem Celts
May 4, 2023 2:50 pm

I think 3% is fair likely works out about £20 on the average season book. Imagine how much extra our utility bills alone have went up at Celtic park and Lennoxtown

McCaff
May 4, 2023 2:55 pm

Afternoon all! My ST renews automatically, I don’t need to do anything other than make sure the cash is in the account on the due date – the only issue is I cannot access any details for my renewal, I’ve been in and renewed the wee guy’s but I can’t even see the details for mine so no idea what the price is next season. Incidentally, the wee guy’s has gone from about £150 to £219 as he’s gone up a year group (now 17-18). At £10.43 a game I think that’s excellent value!

McCaff
May 4, 2023 2:55 pm

Good luck getting a straight answer, Steve!! 😁🤨

Harlem Celts
May 4, 2023 2:57 pm

McCaff your boy couldn’t get a packet of fags for £10.43 or 3 pints

McCaff
May 4, 2023 3:00 pm

Harlem Celts…he disnae need cash, he’s like the Queen, he travels without a wallet!! 😁

Harlem Celts
May 4, 2023 3:01 pm

The King

McCaff
May 4, 2023 3:05 pm

He identifies as HM! 🤔😁

Harlem Celts
May 4, 2023 3:06 pm

McCaff that Tudor crisps site was a hoot especially the comments below. Loved the one about the hedgehog flavour crisps and the guy saying Tudor informed him they never used real hedgehogs in the making of them

Harlem Celts
May 4, 2023 3:08 pm

I self identify as Jota still cannae get a bird or play fitba

McCaff
May 4, 2023 3:09 pm

Hahaha!! I read them out to the missus, pure nonsense! Who would’ve believed people could get so involved in a conversation about crisp pokes from the 80s…eh…wait a minute!! 🤣

McCaff
May 4, 2023 3:09 pm

I don’t think Jota wants a burd either!! Just saying like! 🤔🤙

Harlem Celts
May 4, 2023 3:11 pm

Fecks sake at times this place can be a peak square sausage site