Alternatives Exist

Morning,all.

At the moment,the talk of the steamie is all focused on Brendan Rodgers as our new manager. Shades of four years ago when Lawwell gave us the most infamous and just as scary shower scene since Psycho. Well,if we are that keen,we can’t afford another Eddie Howe scenario,where he kept us on the hook for a few months before ditching us at the altar. 

Two years ago,we had more time to ensure the correct appointment. Even when he backed out,we still had time on our side-even though Postecoglu had to quarantine for two weeks after his arrival. The article yesterday explained that even though I could see some merit in Rodgers being appointed,I wasn’t sufficiently in favour to voice my approval. 

Far from it. 

There are other possibilities out there,and focusing our attention on one single choice is not how I think the hiring process should be done. We seem to have done that far too often in the last fifteen years,and it has rarely worked in our favour. And with the transfer window opening next week,time is certainly of the essence. 

I’d say we give Rodgers until the weekend to give us a final yay or nay on the matter. He can watch the Champions League Final on the Saturday,and if he ever wants to compete in that competition again,he can give us an answer by Sunday. Ultimatum-no reply means no,our offer is withdrawn. He’ll be high maintenance anyway,give him the support he needs to do the job. But remind him that nobody is bigger than the club.

So if and when that happens,we have to look at alternatives. Frankly,none of the names being bandied about so far inspire me with much confidence. The second favourite is apparently Maresca,one of the coaches at Man City. Now you can learn a lot working under Pep,but he bombed in his recent attempt at management with Parma. So,a no from me. 

AWENAW mentioned his own choice. His local team are Eintracht Frankfurt ,and he reckons that Oliver Glasner will leave his position at the club. But his stock is high after their Europa League triumph-cheered by all of us!-a year ago,and even though his side started the season very poorly indeed,they were soon flirting with the European places. 

I think his stock is high enough in Germany,and probably elsewhere,that he will have no trouble finding a new position there. I can’t see him coming to Celtic,not unless he runs out of options-and that won’t happen soon enough for us. As I say,we need a swift decision. Another option being bandied about is Jesse March,but his expectations will be unrealistic,and besides,his time at Leeds was a disaster. No thanks. 

Andoni Idriola has been a revelation in his two jobs in Spain,even if he only lasted about six months at Larnaca,his first ever management position. He is reported to have turned down a new contract with Rayo Vallecano,so he is available. I would be quite happy with this one. And if his English is poor,we can always hire Rodgers as his interpreter! And AWENAW can even adjust his full blog moniker,so what’s not to like!

Knudsen at Bodo/Glimt apparently will not leave his club in mid-season,so a non-starter. Potter will be reluctant to join us,though he will be lucky to get an EPL side in the near future who will match his own expectations. Crystal Palace in a year’s time if he is lucky,IMO. The others being mentioned are just the daydreams of a journo,or of a die-hard fan. Or more likely the prospective candidate! 

So,an answer by Sunday from Rodgers or the offer is withdrawn. In which case,we go for Idriola. But even though the club has the excuse of being blindsided by events of the last ten days,there is no excuse for the club not having a regularly updated succession plan. I’m sure we will have that in the event of our most important players deciding to leave,or suffering a very serious injury. We should have a plan for every scenario-even being dumped at short notice by a successful manager. 

What if he had been seriously injured himself,and was no longer able to fulfil his duties,as an example? 

We need to break this cycle of constantly having to look for new managers,mainly because a current one takes us by surprise when we discover that everything in the garden wasn’t as rosy as we thought. Lennon left unexpectedly in 2014. Deila jumped before he was pushed-but at least he gave us due warning. Rodgers and Lennon Mk II we know about,and Postecoglu is still a raw memory. Other clubs,Brighton and Brentford being perfect examples,have a succession plan for even the most unlikely scenario. There is no reason why we can’t. We can’t keep doing this every two years,that’s for sure. After all,we can only play Russian Roulette so many times before our luck runs out.

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IniquitousIV
June 9, 2023 12:06 am

Bobby:
You forgot Gerrard.
Naw?
🤣

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
June 9, 2023 12:12 am

INIQUITOUS IV

Having flicked through his managerial credentials,no. No,as in I didn’t forget him!

Mind you,he’s hardly more unrealistic than some of the suggestions I’ve seen.

Mahe
June 9, 2023 12:21 am

I’d be happy with Andoni.
Outside the box thinking, might tap that Spanish market. Great talent there and not all earning a fortune.
I’d be happy with him or Brendan to be honest.
Hail Hail

Madmitch
June 9, 2023 12:32 am

Has the Ipswich bloke said no?
Thought he was worth a conversation or two?
Even a P/point presentation if required.

Everything points to us being caught off guard with no prep ready to go.
The bus scenario is always a worry no matter how well things are going with the present manager.

Madmitch
June 9, 2023 12:35 am

Rayo Valcano bloke — poor English you say?
Not a problem — buy more Spanish speaking players.

Please no thoughts on SB getting involved.
Needs a few more years away before he is even entertained for any role at P/head.

Edit — Joke has now been explained to me.
Probably has better English than some of our recent managers so not an issue.

Would still buy a pal for AB — he seems a bit lost at the moment.
No pal available — then loan him out to a Spanish speaking league.

Mahe
June 9, 2023 12:38 am

MM,
Thon Ipswich bloke is highly rated and his teams score lots of goals.
He would be worth a try also I reckon.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
June 9, 2023 12:39 am

MADMITCH

“IF his English is poor” is what I said. And even that was to set up a pop at Rodgers.

Madmitch
June 9, 2023 12:40 am

Maresca chat all the rage on KDS.
I do appreciate the ManC connection and the low energy leader that is PL.

However I think it might be a squirrel — available to chat after the Cup Final / now where have we heard that before … — to give the board sometime to pick more names out of the lucky bag that PL found in a drawer.

Talk of the AZ coach would appear to be desperation to get out the message that they are trying and they are getting down with the hip kids.

AZ — top bloke leaves for Rotterdam and the No.2 steps up to take charge.
If we are talking to AZ about anything it should be talent management / coaching depth / progression planning.

Margaret McGill
June 9, 2023 12:40 am
Madmitch
June 9, 2023 12:51 am

All the chat about BR — smells a bit off to me.
He knows that DD is the organ grinder and PL is / was the monkey.

Anyone with an ego the size of Jupiter and skin that needs an electron microscope to measure is worth a watching.
Would not put it past him to wind DD up to breaking point and then drop him like a packet of week old Lidl crisps.

I don’t think the early retirement of PL will be enough.
Although It would help and make us semi-modern / sophisticated.

No fan of DD but do not want the club made a fool of.

Mahe
June 9, 2023 1:30 am

MM,
‘I do appreciate the ManC connection’
I certainly don’t. We stand alone, eff being partners to the Abu Dhabi regime, or City with their spoiling of football, bullying on the field, dodgy off it.
‘Here buddy, try this guy out for the group?’
Not for me thanks.

Hail Hail

IniquitousIV
June 9, 2023 1:41 am

If Maresca is the anointed one, it would be another sign of the Desmondo/Lawwell lazy, unimaginative, pick the first guy you think of approach. We need a guy with a record of achievement, an experienced first team manager sourced after a professional recruitment process, not some neophyte who plays a relatively minor role within a huge football set up.

The Star Above The Crest
June 9, 2023 1:42 am

Knutsen is the guy I’d like to see get the top job. Slick, attacking 1 touch football, his players are physically impressive, can work on a budget and punches way above his weight. Seems to have a bit of loyalty to his club (seen an article saying Bodo have put an asking price on him).

I want someone who can do something in Europe. I think he might be The One.

Mahe
June 9, 2023 2:13 am

Knutsen is another good call.

JimmynotPaul
June 9, 2023 5:59 am

9th June 1912, Celtic travel to play the Norwegian Olympic team winning 4:1 in Oslo.

https://t.co/0OHIJEx9XJ https://t.co/TU1btKlAma

Thetic
June 9, 2023 6:17 am

How about Paul Lambert?

Cortes
June 9, 2023 6:26 am

Knutsen or Potter, please.

However, the recent “bigging up” of John Kennedy makes me wonder whether he’s about to be unveiled and trumpeted as “promoting from within.”

16 roads
June 9, 2023 6:32 am

Now isn’t the time for projects,experiments or gambles.

One candidate on that list fills der zombie with dread.

Traumatised them so much they had to ban the Celtic faithful from the Hate Factory.

They are telling anyone who will listen, that we, the Celtic support won’t accept his return.

Failure to qualify for the CL group stages, and another Celtic title could result in the Frankenstein club being put to sleep.

Bring back Brendan Rodgers CSC. 🍀

Chairbhoy
June 9, 2023 6:43 am

Interesting piece BMCUWPS,

T’uther day I posted that back in the summer of 2018 DD had a choice, back his manager or back his CEO,

Of course he backed his CEO

So what’s changed?

Well Lenny MkII for a start but DD still allowed big Pedro to come back as Chairman – even if he had to keep it “secret” from the Celtic support.

My feeling is that from a while back Ange was always leaving after the Cup final – Scott Munn maybe told Ange he was in the frame for the Spurs job in April, still he’d be no shoe-in at that stage.

Now, Frank Trimboli’s phone would be ringing off the hook, guys sounding him out regarding AP for; Spurs, Leeds, Wolves, Crystal Palace, Olympiacos etc

If Ange was pee’d off by negotiations for his extended contract, Board commitment to the transfer budget and facilitaties improvements required, and it seems these negotiations were very protracted, knowing Ange and his history he might well have got to the point of saying sod this for a game of soljies am aff

Taking his chances in the summer managerial market was not high risk.

Of course as one by one the favourites went out of the running for Tottenham Hotspurs, he ended up with his dream job

Now Interestingly enough, the story goes one of the early favourites for White Hart Lane was one Brendan Rodgers, a man who despite appearances was not free to take up the position

BR’s contract with Leicester City runs until July, if he takes up a position before that date he loses a lot of spondulix

BR asked Mr Levy to either pay compensation to Leicester City or compensate him for the losses, Mr Levy was apparently pee’d off and thought Brendan should have been ripping off his arm for the position and sucking up any costs himself.

CQN and others are of course pushing Enzo Maresca

My feelings are the Desmonds want Brendan and the Lawwells want Maresca, where Michael Nicholson and the other Board members sit may well be irrelevant.

Now, if it is Brendan Rodgers then the Desmonds would have told the Lawwells in no uncertain terms how it was going to work.

Pedro & Son will be marginalised, do they do marginalising?

It will also mean we will not have a manager until July, it’s close season and there would be little point in either Celtic compensating Leicester City or Brendan taking the hit for a few weeks

After all Brendan knows Celtic’s set up and what’s required, he could still be beavering away in the background ready to hit the ground running in July.

Just~some~thots

Hail Hail

JimDom
June 9, 2023 6:57 am

Outwith Rodgers, the rest are just pin a tail on a donkey.

A successful Celtic manager could be EPL’d after just one season, especially with a few positive European results under his belt. Win the SPFL, beat Bayern Munich in a CL group match, and the Crystal Palace job is yours.

SteveNaive
June 9, 2023 7:18 am

Chairbhoy @6.43

If those are just thoughts I’d like to read your contributions when you put your mind to it !
Excellent, thanks.

Chairbhoy
June 9, 2023 8:05 am

SteveNaive @ 7:18 am,

Thanks, as BMCUWPS points out in his lead there is speculation from many sources, for many reasons.

Yet obviously something must be going on at Celtic Park.

I’m not so sure this informal City Group partnership bodes well for Celtic.

Hail Hail

Jobo Baldie
June 9, 2023 8:08 am

Good morning friends and a Big Happy Friday to everyone who posts or lurks on this fine site.
As for our next manager….. we’ll see 😉

Hoop hoop hooray
June 9, 2023 8:19 am

“I think that people are getting there now because they understand that the handball law is handball law. They don’t like it, but they don’t like the law. It’s not our referees because our referees are making the same decisions as everybody else”

“It is doing what it is supposed to do. There is still a bit of subjectivity, and that’s okay”

Isn Maxwell on the forthcoming VAR summit.
He is basically justifying the 4 goldson handballs right there

big packy
June 9, 2023 8:19 am

MORNING ALL AND JIM, dont want maresca my 3 choices in no particular order, knutsen rodgers Iraola,.btw chairbhoy in airdrie at the minute getting some well fired rolls from daziells bakery😎😎 that may or not be a true story,.LOL 😂

Chairbhoy
June 9, 2023 8:44 am

big packy @ 8:19 am,

Good on you – a good roll does satisfy

Stick a squerr in it and it will set you up for the day…

Hail Hail

Auldbhoy67
June 9, 2023 8:45 am

Bmcuwp

Interesting lead today. ” No one is bigger than the club ” .
Lawwell apparently thinks he is.

CFC
June 9, 2023 8:49 am

Chairbhoy

Genuine question, not being awkward- why would a non exec Chairman have significant influence over the major shareholder( de facto decision maker) in the recruitment process?

PL will get a monthly fee but is not an employee as such.

big packy
June 9, 2023 8:50 am

CHARBHOY👍

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
June 9, 2023 8:57 am

BIGPACKY

Some question last night! What is the answer?

Madmitch
June 9, 2023 9:06 am

Mahe @ 1.30

“Appreciate” — as in understand the place of the ManC group in PL’s very limited footballing brain.
Not as in agree with it / think it is something positive.

St tams
June 9, 2023 9:31 am

I don’t think our board do succession planning, as was shown in 2019.
I still think we should appoint a DOF, he’s the guy who would be responsible for recruiting a new manager. Not DD or Mark Lawwell and his pals at city.

Madmitch
June 9, 2023 9:31 am

CB @ 6.43

Can you help with the events of the summer of 2018?
You have this as some sort of BR vs PL conflict.

Not my memory of the slow motion train wreck.

My thoughts based on what I know / have been told are that it was BR vs DD over the China farrago.
DD is not happy to have his footballing heart broken by another manager — MO’N in 2002 / LU opportunity was bad enough.
So he gets PL out of his box where he had been in semi retirement for 2 years to man mark BR and his footballing ambitions.
Job done — huge bonus gets paid.

2016 / BR arrives — man with the long face is PL as he knows BR has DD’s ear / footballing control / budget.
2018 / BR upsets DD with his China talk — BR’s 3 targets suddenly are lost due to the unique negotiating talents of one PL.

BR bides his time but takes the first EPL job open to him and his parting gift to the club is to cause as much chaos as possible.
Take as many at L/town as he — not because he needs / rates them but to hurt DD and PL with the club as collateral damage.

So if you have some info nuggets to add to this / explain this / contradict this then please shout out.

Chairbhoy
June 9, 2023 9:33 am

CFC @ 8:49 am,

Now that is really a multifaceted question.

My first thoughts when it was announced that Peter Lawwell was Chairman was he’d be expanding the Chairman’s role, you could do this quite legitimately as Mr Bankier had been a very passive Chairman

Also the Chairman in a football club has traditionally been the head honcho, Sir Robert Kelly being the classic example, many Clubs are still run that way.

So there was more than a bit of wiggle room for big Pedro to be in a position of authority.

Now I get that a non-exective Chairman of a PLC is a different role but even then they are supposed to have a major input to the strategic planning of the business, we know when Brain Quinn was Chairman he had an important input into the appointment of managers.

Big Pedro’s influence over the largest shareholder is of course an interesting one…

MiT’s conjecture that PL knows where the bodies are buried is fascinating and let’s face it he is a smart and insightful ghuy.

But I’d only go along with that to a limited extent, yes he knows where the bodies are buried so that gives him certain leeway, there is also honour amongst theives, they have been through a lot together in what’s almost two decades.

Yet big Pedro is hardly going to do an exposé, he’s up to his neck in it and wants to be portrayed as a died in the wool Celtic man, he is complicit and has been rewarded to the tune of over 20mn.

Yet he seems to know how to push DD’s buttons, maybe it’s his schemes, business men love these.

The moneyball recruitment idea

The hoarding of cash to stabilise the shareprice

Being in with the in crowd at the ECA

Now I think it’s the City Group angle

Yet you feel at some point Dermot is going to wake up and smell the coffee

And judging by his face and the of PL’s at the Cup Final maybe that’s what happened.

If big Pedro was in charge of the negotiations to get Ange tied down to a long term contract, and there is a good chance he was, then it might be a protracted, lo-ball negotiation failure too far.

Also Ross Desmond seemed to be part of the negotiations, he won’t have the same attachment to the Lawwells and maybe he can influence his Dad to turn away from big Pedro and his schemes.

Hail Hail

Madmitch
June 9, 2023 9:36 am

StT @ 9.31

DOF role — I fear a certain ML will grow into this role over time.
The view from G74 see’s it as a hereditary position and that is the way they are working it.

Madmitch
June 9, 2023 9:56 am

CFC @ 8.39

DD is a major shareholder not the majority shareholder so he can’t make decisions by himself.
He gets to speak first / gets to speak longest but other views must be heard.
That is where the Chairman comes in — he has to allow others their views.

Plus you have the issue that DD deals with dreams while PL deals with reality.
Sometimes dreams do come true / other times decisions are made in the showers.

BR = Dream
NL2 = Cold reality / Hampden shower style.
EH = Dream .
AP = Cold reality.

BR2 / dream vs ManC guy / cold reality.

PL is commercially useless / clueless but he knows how to work a poorly performing committee.
Our board is beyond that.

CFC
June 9, 2023 10:01 am

Chairbhoy

Thanks for the reply.
The autocratic Chairman is an anachronism now.
But I take your point.
PL’s role ( at least as it’s normally designated) is managing the board and being the interface between directors and management who run the business.

MN runs the business, which includes key personnel recruitment so I don’t see PL being allowed to be involved, unless MN is a total patsy.
This description is at odds with those that have had direct dealings with MN, eg Auldheid.
From what I’ve heard, PL had absolutely nothing to do with AP’s departure. That was solely down to AP maximising his opportunity.

The City Group connection/ influence can have benefits but I can see where it can lead if unchecked.

If DD doesn’t get his man, due process should identify the best candidate available via the football operations department of the business.

If PL is driving that then we really should be told.

CFC
June 9, 2023 10:04 am

Mm

I described DD as major shareholder but de facto decision maker.
We know this. The fact the other board members are nodding dogs makes his life easier in that respect.

Chairbhoy
June 9, 2023 10:08 am

Madmitch @ 9:31 am,

Well what you say, certainly has been stated.

Yet consider this, DD gave Arsenal permission to talk to BR when Arsene Wenger was leaving the Emirates.

It was when BR left that PL briefed his social media outlets on the China fiasco (of course he had put it out on the grapevine before then).

However later on, in an interview with the Athletic DD stated quite clearly it had been Brendan Rodgers that had told him about the approach from China.

So why would DD have given Arsenal permission to speak to BR then go ballistic when BR tells him he’s had an approach from China.

DD and BR might well have fallen out during 2018 but I can’t see any evidence why they would outside the influence of a wormtongue.

PL’s social media had been briefing against Brendan Rodgers from towards the end of the double treble season, CQN dog whistling that he had lost the dressing room and the team was deliberately underperforming to prove a point – BR was “working his ticket”

From 2017 Brendan Rodgers was doing things very much his way, big Pedro’s little schemes such as moneyball etc was ignored by BR.

Of course with BR creating record turnover, record profits, record squad value with his approach it was making the approach of PL over the previous ten years look bad, putting his nose out of joint.

My feeling was when BR was appointed manager he would be well aware of big Pedro’s reputation and wanted assurances.

The agreement seemed to include PL having the final say on player arrivals and BR having the final say on player departures.

The summer transfer window in 2018 started off fine, we bought Odsome Edouard and sold Sviatchenko and Armstrong.

Then something changed, as you say DD seemed to lose faith in BR

After that PL refused to buy any of BR’s targets up to and including John McGinn, BR seemed to refuse to sell any players, including Boyata and N’ctham his arm was of course famously twisted by the end of the window when Dembele left.

A total mess and the beginning of the end for Rodgers, the ten, our European aspirations.

Why did DD choose PL over BR?

Well I don’t think it was China…

Hail Hail

Awe Naw
June 9, 2023 10:12 am

Old Firm preservation

Frodshambhoy
June 9, 2023 10:15 am

Chairbhoy
It will also mean we will not have a manager until July, it’s close season and there would be little point in either Celtic compensating Leicester City or Brendan taking the hit for a few weeks.
———————-
You also said he would not go to Spurs unless they paid his potential Leicester “losses”. I use the word losses very loosely.
I’ve no doubt what you say is correct.
Where does football fit in with all this.
If Rogers started a new job the new club would pay his wages. Does he really want or need 2 wage packets up to July.
I also think anyone that valued football more than money would want to start asap to get on with developing his squad.
What a world we live in 😡😡

Chairbhoy
June 9, 2023 10:22 am

Frodshambhoy @ 10:15 am,

Yes, Daniel Levy gets a lot of negative publicity but maybe turning his back on Brendan due to his attitude shows character.

Having said that, we are of course talking a lot more than a few weeks wages, BR would be ending (breaking) his contract with Leicester, there would be penalties and compensation clauses that could be very substantial.

The fact that Leicester won’t mutual the contract tells us something.

Hail Hail

JimmynotPaul
June 9, 2023 10:24 am

Today’s fun.
New day, new favourite, with Skybet.
Maresca 10/11
Rodgers 5/2
Buckingham 4/1
Knutsen 8/1.
Moyes 12/1
Marsch 20/1
25/1 bar.

CFC
June 9, 2023 10:33 am

Awe Naw

Thanks for posting the Louie Duffy testimony.
A sad, harrowing read.

A grubby business indeed. Too many decent people get chewed up and spat out.

Madmitch
June 9, 2023 10:34 am

CB @ 10.08

Interesting — don’t know much about the 2018 Erse angle.

BR vs the Erse in 2018 / DD happy — BR did not use it to ask for more money / DD knew he wouldn’t get the job.
BR vs China in 2018 / DD unhappy — BR used it to squeeze more money out of the club / DD was blindsided by the approach.

Statements at face value — only if there is supporting evidence.
Surely that is the lesson for the support over the antics of AP?

BR vs squad in’s and outs — I have no info on any arrangements / if or when they were changed?
First two years BR got his way or at least seemed to get his way — everything changed when he went on holiday in June 2018.

My thoughts — DD brought PL back into the loop where he knew that PL would muck things up.
He was upset at BR’s China adventure and the way that it had been played.
Up until that time BR had DD’s ear and PL knew that.

As you note CQN is a good barometer of the management politics at P/head.
P67 is hard wired into PL’s viewpoint not DD’s.

Chairbhoy
June 9, 2023 10:41 am

CFC @ 10:01 am,

Actually over the years, and I’m talking over twenty, DD has described the circumstances where managers had been approached, including Sir Alex, why some names never got the job, including Gus Hiddink and how he decided on the successful candidates.

It’s all a matter of record, including The Athletic interview – 17 Sept 2020.

Now you may not believe all the accounts, Allan MacDonald (Celtic CEO) I think is one who disputed what happened during his tenure, yet you will see there is little due process and the quality of manager seems to have waxed and waned depending how interested DD was in the process.

I think he’s heavily invested this time.

Hail Hail

CFC
June 9, 2023 10:43 am

Recruitment: Today’s Top Two in the betting merry go round.

Surely we are better than hoping to entice a reluctant BR or have a City assistant foisted upon us?
Pep regularly loses assistants and carries on regardless. Obviously no great loss to City the team, and potentially a benefit to City the Group.

Madmitch
June 9, 2023 10:44 am

CFC @ 10.01

You name most of the issues but you don’t join the dots.
There is a reason why the Chairman should not have been the CEO in the very recent past.

Football operations — in the absence of the manager who is next up?
G74 would appear to have a very prominent role.

MN @ CEO is boxed in.

PL from above — Remuneration Committee oversight per chance.
ML from below — Active links to a chosen circle of agents / managers / coaching talent.

Not a very healthy situation — well to me anyway.

DD has first dibs on the new manager.
PL bides his time until DD’s dream-shot doesn’t come home.

PL — Not his first rodeo as we know to our cost.

Will he ever better BTM in 2009 — came in from 13th in a longlist of 16.
Remarkable and so it turned out.

CFC
June 9, 2023 10:47 am

Chairbhoy

Heavily invested until he doesn’t get his man and says feck it, over to you PL?
Whose remit it really isn’t!

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