Making Life Difficult

Morning,all.

Well,it’s all gone a bit pear-shaped for us already this season,starting from the end of the last one. In May,we were looking forward to a treble,the 5th trophy from 6 landed by our unlikely star manager,Ange. By the start of June,he had left for Tottenham,and Jota wasn’t long in following him out the door. 

Starfelt followed at the start of August,and we also lost Aaron Mooy to a career-ending injury. But we brought back our previously successful manager,BR,to succeed him,and all of a sudden things were looking up. That didn’t last long,did it?

Along the way,we have also lost the following to injury. CCV,AJ,Welsh.Hatate,Oh and now Nawrocki who is only in the door five minutes. I’d only just learned how to pronounce his name properly,ffs! Those injuries take a lot of depth out of the squad,but particularly in defence. And we have few if any excuses for it.

BR put shivers up my spine on Friday,when he told us he would work with the players he is given. The first three games of the season suggest that we need a bit more than that. Sunday shouted loud that we need a lot more. We are lacking strength and experience in midfield in particular,and could do with an old-fashioned battering ram up front to either help Kyogo out or give him a wee break now and again. And stop playing him so bloody deep!

Only two months ago I said here that I wasn’t concerned at how little impact we had made in the transfer market. BR had only just taken over,after all. Current players had to be assessed and targets identified and discussed. I was confident though that most of our work would be done before we headed out for the pre-season a month later. A month later still,and who amongst us is filled with confidence that those few new signings are just what the doctor ordered?

I don’t think any of them are older than 22yo,which sadly puts them at best into prospect territory,and at worst into deja-vu territory. As in,giving us the heebie-jeebies with flashbacks to Lawwell’s days in control,when even Google wasn’t our friend when it came to finding out about some of his failed projects.

That long litany of woe cost us a number of titles and a lot of tickets into the Champions League. It cost us a bloody fortune in fees and contracts for players that we couldn’t move on because they were crap,and nobody was stupid enough to take them off our hands. This is the first transfer window since he waltzed back through the door as Non Executive Chairman,though that non-exec part can change easily enough. And we are seeing again what we thought was a thing of the past,as Celtic once again decline to build from a position of strength,preferring just to decline instead. 

Yet there is probably no more important season than this one,where we have two very important targets that we must not miss. Both relate to the magic money tree that is The Champions League. Win the title this season and we automatically qualify for the latest revamp of it next season. Fail to accumulate sufficient coefficient points,and that automatic qualification is cancelled for season 25/26,as we will slump to 14th spot in Europe. 

For a board who have been utterly fixated on financials for as long as ours has been,how can they justify putting on the brakes like this? £60m in the bank,£40m from CL,and £27m from Jota and they are back in the bargain bin?

Ange told us how he planned to do things. Buy low,sell high,buy medium,sell higher. Etc. It’s a tried and tested method elsewhere over the years,and Brentford and Brighton as well as clubs like Ajax and Benfica have shown how it can be successful. We splashed out £6m on each of two players last season,and they have shown what can be achieved from those levels of player. We should be looking at the £8m-£12m bracket,like the Croatian goalie,or Rieder from Young Boys. 

Instead,we think a tanner-ba player is only worth tuppence. 

Martin O’Neil warned us twenty years ago about life in the slow lane. Hmmm,luxury! Back of a recovery wagon and off to the scrap heap at the moment. But what gets me most is this. Why would BR return under these circumstances where he coaches the players he is given? Especially when he walked out for those very reasons four years ago? What has changed since he agreed terms that he should agree to this fiasco?

It will not do him any favours at all if he fails at Celtic. He might as well rip up his CV and retire to his bolt hole in Spain. I’m sure he has more pride than that. I’m sure that we all do. 

The club have ten days to sort out this shitshow and prove that they mean business. Otherwise,I fear very much what our immediate future holds. 
******

Above article by BMCUWP

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BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
August 22, 2023 1:06 am

JOBO POTY Update.

*SENTINEL CELTS PLAYER OF THE YEAR 2023-24*
*RESULTS FROM GAME #3 – KILMARNOCK 1 CELTIC 0*

Good evening, friends.
A very uninspiring, pedestrian one-paced performance yesterday saw Celtic eliminated from the League Cup. Plastic pitches and poor officiating most certainly were a factor but individually and collectively our superstars have to do much better. Can’t we try shooting from outside the box? Can’t we occasionally try an optimistic defence splitting pass? Do we always have to play to the nearest man? In cup games where we are losing and there are 7 minutes added on can’t we swallow our pride and go route one?
Our first 3 games of the season haven’t really given us too many highlights. We can only hope that things start to improve quickly before we really get stuck in a rut.
Of course, not every player has a stinker and whilst I appreciate that trying to identify 3 deserving vote winners after a defeat isn’t top of everyone’s agenda, 5 players do have to walk away with the points for each game. And there’s at least some positivity when we see that 3 of our top 4 performers are still very new to the team.
So a big thank you to the 59 who found the energy to vote, even if some voters only nominated 1 or 2 players.
The total votes cast for each player are as follows, with my own nominations asterisked.

Hart*: 6
Ralston: 9
Nawrocki: 40
Lagerbielke*: 40
Taylor: 1
McGregor 2:
O’Riley: 3
Holm: 5
Abada: 0
Kyogo: 32
Maeda: 1
Turnbull: 0
Yang*: 26
Haksabanovic: 7

And so, the players receiving POINTS for the game against Kilmarnock are –
Lagerbielke and Nawrocki – 5 points each
Kyogo – 3 points
Yang – 2 points
Ralston – 1 point

The overall positions after 3 games played are –
12 points – Kyogo
9 points – Nawrocki
8 points – O’Riley
5 points – Lagerbielke
4 points –Turnbull
2 points – Carter-Vickers, Maeda, Ralston and Yang
0 points – Abada, Forrest, Hart, Hatate, Holm, Maeda, McGregor, Starfelt, Taylor

We now have just 5 more sleeps to wait until our next game, a home league game against St Johnstone at 3.00pm on a Saturday.
Remember, please continue to spread the word. Anyone can vote after any game and join in at any time – just keep a note of the email address – sencelpoty@gmail.com
Hail Hail!

INIQUITOUS IV
August 22, 2023 1:28 am

Great article, Bobby.

Here’s an example of a Pot 3 team that reinforces itself from a position of strength, and one we might very well draw in the Group Stage. Check out the debut league goal from one of their new players. ( Milan were careful to acquire and integrate him well before their league started ). You know, the right way to do things. Of course, we are told we are world class in everything we do, and we emerge from every transfer window stronger than when we went in. Utter bullshit.

Now I know we can’t afford a Pulisic, but we can afford a hell of a lot more than this tightfisted, miserly, parsimonious, bean counting, Scrooge-like Board have coughed up so far. Another 24 hours gone with no white smoke.

https://youtu.be/FE6S6A4pDEc

Mike in Toronto
August 22, 2023 1:46 am

I may not be the Board’s biggest fan, but even I dont believe for a moment that there wont be at least 1 or 2 significant signings before the end of the window.

If they do want to win, there will have to be some money spent this week. Serious money.

my/Auldeid’s concerns that they wouldnt be too upset if the zombies win are just theories at this npoint. And even if they turn out to be correct and the fix is in, you dont fall down in the first round. It would be too obvious. You have to make it look good until you take the fall in the eighth round.

So there will be purchases regardless.

Auldheid
August 22, 2023 1:48 am

Margaret McGill
Auldheid
Needs an audit
A forensic audit
Not a happy clapper audit
Probably need to wait until all the beneficiaries are dead first
Another generation of abomination I’m afraid.
===
Who would have the authority to seek one?

Who would want one?

Those are the practical issues that put it into never never land territory.

INIQUITOUS IV
August 22, 2023 2:08 am

Mike in Toronto
“I may not be the Board’s biggest fan, but even I don’t believe for a moment that there wont be at least 1 or 2 significant signings before the end of the window.”
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Hi Mike:
But would you be happy with just 1 or 2, when we need at least 4? I think the Board is engaged in expectation management, and may just throw us a bone. ( unless of course they feck it up at the last minute, as they have done many times before. ) The window closes 3 days before we visit the Bigotdome. In my humble opinion, 1 or 2 signings on the last day would be far too little, far too late.
HH
Iniquitous IV

Mike in Toronto
August 22, 2023 2:19 am

Inq

If I say any more, my stalker will pop a clog. 😆

Chairbhoy
August 22, 2023 6:03 am

Good Morning – Grand Day To Be A Tim,

You Are Right BMCUWPS,

Once again we find ourselves in head scratching territory.

Now technically speaking Peter Lawwell began his tenure as Celtic Chairman at the beginning of the year so this is his second window.

We have been downsizing since then, no surprise, as discussed, the first thing he did was downsized Martin O’Neil’s Seville side.

Yet the reason for the current head scratching, we have seen how the PL approach worked under Tony Mowbray, Neil Lennon and Ronny Delia

We have seen different approaches work under Brendan Rodgers and Ange Postecoglou

The turnover and profits rocketed under BR and AP

The squad quality and value rocketed under BR and AP

Ange’s first two windows showed that the – “it’s difficult to get quality players in” and “no decent players will come to Scotland” and “there is no value in paying more money for players” and all the other myths is absolute nonsense.

Why would we go back to the old ways that failed?

MiT suggests Mark got the job because of his surname

It is worth re-visiting our recruitment before the current model came in.

Liam Shaw
Urhoghide
Abada
Kyogo
Starfelt
Joe Hart
James McCarthy
Liam Scales
Juranovic
Giakoumakis
Jota
CCV
Hatate
Ideguchi
Meada
O’Riley

Mixed bag of course, players that didn’t make the grade like Urhoghide and Shaw and prospects like Abada and O’Riley

Yet eleven performing first team regulars in two windows is not too shabby.

Auldheid suggests it has something to do with *KPIs

Interestingly when we sold our record departures.

Moussa Dembele and Kieran Tierney

Peter Lawwell got a record *bonus, 2.3 mn on top of his eye watering 1mn+ salary – nice work if you can get it.

*long-term performance incentive plan (LTPIP)

Now, the LTPIP may well explain why the CEO was so keen to try and sell players during BR’s tenure and not reinvest in recruitment purchases (remember all those loans at that juncture!?)

Yet it hardly explains why we are back there in the January and Summer windows of 2023, unless the same bonus scheme’s are in place

If they are who profits from the JJ, GG, Starfelt and Jota sales!?

Maybe it’s just different now, maybe it’s not business, it’s just personal…

Hail Hail

Chairbhoy
August 22, 2023 6:50 am

The Nabbla @ August 21, 2023 8:15 am, 3:38 pm,

As with Chairboy we will differ good Celt.
I do not know anyone at the family or in Heraghtys.
I do at Celtic,did then at Hibs
Years on,it is irrelevant to today.

Just to clarify, when you refer to “Celtic”, it seems quite clear the Celtic Football Club did want John McGinn in, it was the PLC executive who failed to land him.

Now, I’m not questioning your credentials and I’m sure you are ITK

Yet we had the nonsense about BR going to China and good fholk ITK were misled

We had Peter Lawwell definitely not coming back as Chairman and good fholk ITK were misled

Lot’s of examples, so you can understand why I’m not giving any credence to your ITK statement as lots of fholk were misled and you don’t back up what you are saying.

Your credibility remains sound obviously

Now, what would we have to believe that the decision not to sign for Celtic was John McGinn’s baring in mind he was contracted to Hibernian football club and was their player.

1. We would have to believe that Celtic put in the highest bid for JMcG

2. We would have to believe that Hibs accepted that bid

3. We would have to believe that Hibs gave Celtic official permission to talk to John

4. We would have to believe all this happened before the player reached agreement with Aston Villa.

There is absolutely no evidence of that.

There is evidence of Celtic making three bids that were rejected

That Aston Villa made a bid that was accepted

That Hibs gave Aston Villa permission to talk to John

That John went down to Birmingham and reached agreement with Aston Villa

The evidence points to sleek, accommodating and professionalism from Aston Villa as the Club pulled together to get their man

And dithering and incompetence from the Celtic executive as they went ìnto stealth mode and it seems neither Hibs, nor JMcG nor the Celtic manager knew what they were up to.

Hail Hail

JimDom
August 22, 2023 7:07 am

First class BMCUWP

Chairboy @ 6:03

Both Michael Nicholson and Chris McKay benefited, to the tune of £175,000 each, from the ELTIP bonus scheme, in the year to June 2022. Substantial salaries on top of that.

When the figures to June 2023 are released, I fully expect both Nicholson and McKay to be heading into Lawwell territory and bank around £1m each.

The Model must say that it is okay to pay suits, in a two horse race, eye watering salaries and bonuses, but putting the very best team on the park that we can quite easily afford, is out of the question.

Just Sayin’
August 22, 2023 7:34 am

Since we all seem to be saying the same stuff and the needle returns to the start of the song, I’ll just repeat myself from yesterday til something positive or, God Forbid, even more negative develops.

“Even our miserly custodians have to see the obvious. Three new quality players should make a significant difference. We even have the loan market available, where we’ve had success before, and it has the benefit of allowing the penny pinchers to relax about spending too much.

The mood 10 days from now will doubtless shape our season – toxic or potentially euphoric for seasons to come depending on the outcome of this league race.
What sane club wants 60,000 disgruntled punters giving them pelters from the stands and going into meltdown everywhere else?
Then again we have an arrogant, superior executive where power resides in cronyism and nepotism so who cares what the punters think?

It’s up to BR now to show us he has taken the job on with guarantees on player investment and not been blindsided by the lure of the position and trust in the process.”

A further speculative thought on that last paragraph- BR says initially power is needed, he then says he’s happy to improve what’s here. Perhaps too much of a conceit of his coaching powers?

Having seen the limited improvement capability within the squad he now thinks, “FFS what have I done? I need proper quality in.”
And it’s too late.

Jobo Baldie
August 22, 2023 8:38 am

Good morning, friends.
Like pretty much everyone I’m now getting desperate for some signing news. When preparing my formulae embedded super super POTY spreadsheets I have already factored in another 9 more rows for potential new signings in this window and in January. Surely, surely my efforts weren’t a waste of time and “RRRRR” to “TTTTTT” (at least!) become more recognisable names over the next few days.
More generally, at the start of the season I had a think in my own mind about what I would regard as a good season, trying to be realistic in that regard. I decided on 3 targets – win the league plus 1 domestic cup and achieve 5 points or more in the Champions League. Currently, those targets appear to be a wee bit stretching…..

Jimtim
August 22, 2023 9:08 am

As I said yesterday I can’t quite understand why BR returned to Celtic , he has a good cv ,he is a multi millionaire some other team would have came along eventually , and I would imagine he is more than capable of standing up for himself . Why accept the post knowing the reason for leaving last time was back in the building , for me it doesn’t add up . When the CEO left last time there was relief but also disappointment for some fans . I posted on another Blog that he would be back soon enough , that he was drunk with the power he had at Celtic park . We called in another fellow to take control that didn’t last long , so the office junior was temporarily given the reigns, haven’t heard a thing from him in weeks which is a pity as he is a decent young man , but as I posted on another blog did anyone think that the returning suit would be taking orders from his former junior , no chance . So it’s back to his old ways ,back to holding the club our club back , and no doubt having a few words in his sons ear if he had pinpointed a quality player for the hoops, when it’s glaringly obvious that much needed quality is badly needed and should have been brought in weeks ago . What is the reason for the absent landlord re appointing this man to a position in our club knowing what went before is anyone’s guess , it was a ploy . But we have no say in anything that happens , we are only the people putting money into the club , the people who are present in our tens of thousands every second week but who have to just accept the lack of ambition from our board of directors . Very sad but Unfortunately can’t see Brendan staying long .

Just Sayin’
August 22, 2023 9:15 am

What happens by close of business on September 1st will determine how toxic or happy (euphoric is a highly unlikely state) the support at large will become.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
August 22, 2023 9:24 am

JUST SAYIN’ et al

Even if we buy three top players,they will have lost a crucial six weeks when they could have been gelling with their colleagues and learning the system. If there is to be one “good” thing to come from this,it could be the reaction from the fans,as many of you have pointed out.

Just Sayin’
August 22, 2023 9:38 am

BMCUW

Yip, a poor state of affairs.
So much so this normally positive voice would happily take a draw at Ibrox and has written off the CL campaign before we even know who we are playing.
Expectation mis management.

Ernie Lynch
August 22, 2023 9:42 am

It’s too easy to blame Peter Lawwell and it’s too easy to blame his boss, TGD for the consequences of having hitched the Celtic wagon to The Old Firm train.

Ultimately the people who are ultimately to blame are the Celtic support who

1. have gone along with what the Board have done up until now and

2. if they (youse) were honest about things, revel in Old Firmism. The huns games are the highlight of the season for far too many.

The Old Firm business model guarantees a a safe, steady income stream . But that requires the huns to be a viable and credible threat. Why risk losing that by going all out and speculating on European success?

None of what is happening should have come as a surprise. It was predictable, and predicted.

As has been pointed out though the joker in the pack is how exactly BR is going to handle things. At the moment he’s at risk of ruining his professional reputation and I just can’t see him sticking around to allow that to happen.

16 roads
August 22, 2023 9:57 am

Greetings from Praha.

Heading to the church of Our Lady of Victory in a wee minute, shooting range later then hopefully watch the Frankenstein club get beaten.

Need some inspiration because what’s happening with Celtic at the moment is soul destroying.

Nobody could possibly have predicted the sheer incompetence/negligence we are witnessing from the custodians of the club.

Of course they’ve got previous however this level of mismanagement is off the scale, particularly given the club’s financial strength.

Never thought I’d say this but I feel sorry for Brendan Rodgers, having to deal with those arrogant, greedy bassas.

HH. 🍀😎

Just Sayin’
August 22, 2023 9:58 am

E L

The argument can be extended to: without Old Firmism we don’t have a viable league structure.

As things currently exist this symbiotic relationship is all there is.

How long would Celtic exist in a European context if the league resembles the quality of that in Ireland or Wales?

Maybe it is about existence after all.

As for BR, he’ll stay as long as it suits him to.
Beyond September 1st? If he has been sold a pup why would he hang around?

óglach
August 22, 2023 10:07 am

SMSM b/s appearing about ‘the mullet’ returning to Celtic as the Saudis seem to have written him off after a few weeks😮 Personally I’d rather have Paddy Roberts back, at least he wanted to play for Celtic but Man City strangely refused to deal.

Just say no to mullets CSC

Just Sayin’
August 22, 2023 10:21 am

Written off a £10m net three year contract and £27m outlay?

Take him back on loan, covering 10%( after tax) of his outrageous wages😀

McCaff
August 22, 2023 10:28 am

Morning all! Have the Saudis discovered he’s got more in common with George Michael than just the good looks and the Double Denim! Ooooops! 😘
#DoYourFeckin’HomeworkCSC

Just Sayin’
August 22, 2023 10:31 am

McCaff

Careless Whisper(s)🤔

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
August 22, 2023 10:50 am

MCCAFF

Scurrilous suggestion. Didn’t he say when he left Celtic that he enjoyed his time here more than with any of his girlfriends?

McCaff
August 22, 2023 10:50 am

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
August 22, 2023 10:51 am

16 ROADS

Have a great time in Prague. Everyone else does!

McCaff
August 22, 2023 10:51 am

Not scurrilous in any way, Bobby, just an observation. We’re all God’s Children!

óglach
August 22, 2023 10:57 am

There is a viable alternative to oldfirmisim’s stranglehold on Scots football. It wasn’t that long ago that Aberdeen and Dundee Utd were competing and winning at the highest levels of European football. Souness and Murray spending RBOS money ended that. If Rangers would have been allowed to die without a miraculous resurrection aided and abetted by Celtic i have no doubt that another team would have taken their place as our main rival and competition would have flourished. Truth is Celtic didn’t want to lose circa £10 mill a year – words from PL himself while we were celebrating the supposed demise of Rangers 1872 ‘ That just cost us £10 mill’ said our CEO through gritted teeth. Of course, it could also just as easily be argued that the ugly sisters hold back Scottish football rather than enhance it. Good TV for 4 games a season due only to sectarian hatred, not silky football. Is Scottish football really any better than the Irish or Welsh leagues now?

Prestonpans bhoys
August 22, 2023 11:03 am

McCaff

You’re a very naughty bhoy
🤣🤣😂😂

McCaff
August 22, 2023 11:06 am

Prestonpans Bhoy…that’s what Jota keeps telling me! 😁

The Star Above The Crest
August 22, 2023 11:06 am

16 Roads

If one were to read this blog from around the time Peter Lawwell was appointed as chairman, I’m certain there would be more than a few posters who predicted something very similar to this scenario.

HH

McCaff
August 22, 2023 11:18 am

Oglach…nearly 40 years since a team other than Celtic or an Ibrox team has won the League is a long, long time! Is there another country in the Northern hemisphere with such a duopoly, accepting 2012 as a defining historical moment?
In 40 years our football structure has changed completely. Jean Marc Bosman and the narrow minded directors of Scottish fitba clubs can take credit for the influx of hopeless, expensive foreign imports that blighted our game at the expense of our own youth. Thatcher can take a bit of credit, too for the wastelands created by her FUCK YOU policies that left us without industry and money. Murray can join the list with his Harry Enfield-inspired Loadsamoney attitude that tried to feck Scottish fitba out of existence!
Our demography has changed in 40 years. So, for many reasons we have declined but you’re right, the responsibility for our mess lies wholly with our own Club.
This transfer window might open peoples’ eyes to the charlatan that is Lawell…but history says it won’t!

Ernie Lynch
August 22, 2023 11:21 am

16 roads

‘Nobody could possibly have predicted the sheer incompetence/negligence we are witnessing from the custodians of the club.’

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Well maybe the Board see things differently? Maybe their strategy for Celtic is different to yours? Maybe what they are doing is deliberate, and to their mind, is the best thing for Celtic’s long term interests. In which case what is happening is, by their lights, neither incompetent nor negligent.

And, you’re wrong. This was predicted as long ago as when the huns went bust and the Board’s reaction made clear to those who had eyes to see just how they were going to deal with the consequences.

Cosy Corner Bhoy
August 22, 2023 11:35 am

EL: I don’t see the same vision as you re supporters getting fed up humping the Huns!
Did you see less fans wanting to watch when we were actually doing that in the Dembele, Sinclair days? I didn’t !

Auldheid
August 22, 2023 11:48 am

EL

Now we are getting somewhere.

It’s not PL per se , it is the business strategy/policy Celtic have adopted since at least 2009 when WGS won 3iar ,even after down sizing, putting a financially reckless Rangers further into debt (but dependency goes way back). Rangers won next 3 titles that would have kept them alive then ebts and the amount owed, along with SDM and Walter Smiths decision in 2007/08 not downsize to pay those bills when they arrived in 2007_08 torpedoed them by 2011.

Heck there is a joint draft by PL and Martin Bain in Feb 2011, one year before Rangers went into administration and one month before Rangers lied to get a UEFA licence that, but for Malmo and Maribor would have saved them from themselves, making the case for both to join the EPL!

It has never been in Celtic’s business interests, or indeed any club anywhere not to have viable competition, hence acceptance of 5WA by all clubs whose financial dependency on Rangers was at least as equal to Celtic’s, and without them Celtic would have no competition at all.

PL’s big mistake in 2012 was not insisting titles won using ebts should be at least asterisked but Green might have pulled out if that was the case.

The closure of the upper stands when Rangers absent supports your point about where blame lies and why.

The answer is to make the league as a whole more competitive but when that happens supporting Celtic becomes a more painful occasion than joyful.

Chairbhoy
August 22, 2023 11:57 am

JimDom @ 7:07 am,

Well that’s very interesting, wonder how that works!?

If some executives are potentally pocketing the proceeds of the Jota money they will not be going out their way to spend it on signings this summer

Could be reason for second division Koreans instead of Swiss wunderkind

Hail Hail

Just Sayin’
August 22, 2023 12:12 pm

Auldheid

“The answer is to make the league as a whole more competitive but when that happens supporting Celtic becomes a more painful occasion than joyful.”

That conclusion isn’t quite true.
Big packy tells us daily of the glory years when we had a competitive league. We didn’t have it all our own way in the cup competitions, just like Sunday, but it is rightly considered the high water mark in watching Celtic. Lots more joy than pain.

Who, amongst us, wouldn’t yearn for such success at home and abroad due to quality domestic competition improving our own standing?

Surely we haven’t become so self entitled that a treble should be considered ours as a matter of course?

McCaff
August 22, 2023 12:17 pm

Just Sayin’…we have become accustomed to winning. The last two decades and more have emphatically proved we are the preeminent Club in this country. We are entitled, given the disparity of wealth and resources we expect to win. When we don’t we question why not and using Sunday’s game, actually Sunday’s performance, who would think that we could’ve delivered such an abject performance against a team that we pumped last season. I think we’re entitled to expect more whilst the cards are so heavily in our favour.

Just Sayin’
August 22, 2023 12:38 pm

Entitled to expect more in terms of performance certainly. But when other teams work on a system, are robust( cos they are allowed to be) and identify and exploit our weaknesses then they are just as entitled to win.

The worry is our current direction of travel towards mediocrity affecting all areas of the team.

Hoop hoop hooray
August 22, 2023 12:42 pm

Here’s a thing.
Daniel Armstrong didn’t even get booked for deliberate elbow on tsylor which technically means he could still face retrospective action. But that wont happen as you can imagine the outcry…….
11 v 10 when they scored rather than 10 v 11 at that point. In england don robertson on var would be suspended. Not up here.

Just Sayin’
August 22, 2023 12:44 pm

H h h

A game changer, we might have scored eventually or won on pens( mmm!) but would only have papered over the cracks.
We were gash.

Billy Bhoy
August 22, 2023 1:02 pm

Jobo

Based on what I’ve seen so far a “stretching target” for us in the CL will be to avoid 6 defeats and a record aggregate goal difference snatching the “title” from Sevco!

Auldbhoy67
August 22, 2023 1:25 pm

As someone who ranks Kilmarnock one place above Sevco in my list of teams to be hammered weekly I do believe we are being slightly disrespectful with regards to their performances this season. They have played 7 competitive games so far without losing. They have had 3 shutout against last seasons top 2 and 4th. This is progress by them. They also fielded 7 or 8 new players on Sunday which does away with the ” we hammered this team last season ” theory. They are not the same team. Unfortunately neither are we.
If and its a big if they can continue the early season form then I believe the carpet field will not be a happy hunting ground for many teams.
As far as entitlement. Look at the huge money all the big hitters throughout Europe have spent. City win first CL last season. PSG never won it. Chelsea years ago. They have all spent billions but successful once in a while at top level.
We are Killie in that market and can only hope for a result against them once in a while I’m afraid.

McCaff
August 22, 2023 1:35 pm

Auldybhoy…cannae disagree with any of that really and in the cold light of day we’ve got to accept fitba is fitba sometimes! But when the warning signs have been there and don’t seem to have been heeded then Sunday’s result seems unnecessary and avoidable.

INIQUITOUS IV
August 22, 2023 1:41 pm

Barry Ferguson saying Mayo’s trip of Haksabanovic in the last minute was a stonewall penalty.
So why are we ( the Cub ) not squawking about it?
Armstrong’s vicious elbow to Taylor’s face drew blood immediately. Clear premeditated assault.
So why are we not squawking about it?
I despair how chicken livered we are. We are being treated with absolute contempt, and just rolling over and taking it.

Jobo Baldie
August 22, 2023 1:48 pm

Billy Bhoy at 1.02pm. Well I did say that those were my pre season hopes. The Ruropean target certainly now looks a challenge. But we’ll see…
In other news, how remiss of me not to yet wish everyone a Big Happy Matchday. Yes, tonight it’s EKFC v Celtic B in Lowland League. Possibly good timing for EK if any B defenders are being called up for Big Team duties 🤞

CaltonTongues
August 22, 2023 1:49 pm

INIQUITOUS IV @ 1.41,

Not only Sunday there, but Shinnie v Dons.

He committed 3 x bookable offences and didn’t get booked. In fact the elbow smash into the back of Ralston could have been a Red itself.

Against Ross County there where also various tackles that should have resulted in bookings but didn’t.

It’s open season as usual on our players and the usual Total Silence from the Management.

Right, back to work 😡

HH

Bada Bing
August 22, 2023 1:52 pm

Harry Maguire will be available on loan…💣💣

Just sayin like….

INIQUITOUS IV
August 22, 2023 2:12 pm

Auldbhoy67
“They also fielded 7 or 8 new players on Sunday which does away with the ” we hammered this team last season ” theory. They are not the same team.”
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Exactly the point. McInnes identified the weaknesses, and on a budget a fraction of ours, energetically fortified the team in a timely fashion, well ahead of the season start. Beale has acted in similar fashion.

Us? From a relative position of strength, and a vastly superior budget, but also with glaring weaknesses in 4 positions, we do what we always do, with the notable exception of the Ange era. The bloodsucking leeches that run our club are quick to sell experienced assets, dick around, sign a few cheap prospects hoping that will suffice, ignore the yawning chasms at keeper, left back, defensive midfield and striker, stall until we are ousted from a competition, and sleepwalk into impending disaster at the Victorian lavvy and utter humiliation in Europe. A £40M bonus awaits the league winners and we have shown zero evidence so far that we are determined to make it ours.

The more I look at it, the more I am persuaded of the possibility of there being another Secret Agreement
( The “Two Way” ), which is probably unwritten, but it’s core is League sharing. The reason either team wins 9 in a row is simply that the mismanagement of one Club happens to be greater than that of its rival at that time. It sounds absolutely ridiculous, but there exists no other explanation for our regularly throwing our main rivals a lifeline, and failing to act from a position of strength. But then I consider what Sevco would do if they had the opportunity to kill us off. Of course they would throw us a concrete block. So then I am back to thinking this Two Way Agreement cannot be. Does my nut in.

Auldheid
August 22, 2023 2:28 pm

Just Sayin’
Auldheid

“The answer is to make the league as a whole more competitive but when that happens supporting Celtic becomes a more painful occasion than joyful.”

That conclusion isn’t quite true.
Big packy tells us daily of the glory years when we had a competitive league. We didn’t have it all our own way in the cup competitions, just like Sunday, but it is rightly considered the high water mark in watching Celtic. Lots more joy than pain.

Who, amongst us, wouldn’t yearn for such success at home and abroad due to quality domestic competition improving our own standing?

Surely we haven’t become so self entitled that a treble should be considered ours as a matter of course?
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I did not mean there was no joy, there was and why it was so is more eloquently express by Gibran than mysel when he spoke of Joy and Sorrow.

https://poets.org/poem/joy-and-sorrow.

As regards self entitlement that might be the price we pay for having had so much joy we think it is the norm.

INIQUITOUS IV
August 22, 2023 2:29 pm

Jimtim
“I can’t quite understand why BR returned to Celtic , he has a good cv ,he is a multi millionaire some other team would have came along eventually.”
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Same here. He was taking a year out, can exist very comfortably on his property portfolio, could easily have gone to Saudi Arabia, so why return, when a certain malign influence still pervades Celtic Park?

His previous domestic record here was impeccable. By definition, impossible to improve on it. He could only equal it, or do worse. Well, we know how that went already!

His European record with us was atrocious, losing 12 to PSG, and 7 at the Camp Nou, so by definition, that could theoretically be improved. Is there a scintilla of evidence that that could happen this season? Not a shred. So why is he here? If things go breests up, the fans are unlikely to give him as much leeway second time around.

Another enigma.

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