Shady’s Back!

Morning,all.

The good news is that we are almost through our two weeks of torment,another international break tearing us away from the better things in life. The bad news,of course,is that there is another one in March. For two bliddy friendlies! 

That means that no sooner do we have our Asian Cup representatives back,we down tools for another bliddy fortnight. Marvellous,innit? 

This break hasn’t been quite as quiet on the proper football front as others,of course. There was the news that the EPL has finally grown a pair and enforced its version of Financial Fair Play by docking Everton ten points. They exceeded their £105m loss limit over the three year period by around 20% in what was described as a technical breach. (In layman’s terms,it’s called wasting your money on absolute dross. Their total losses in that period were apparently around three times as much.) 

But ten points is a record for that competition. The only precedents were the nine points against Portsmouth for going into administration and a laughable £3.6m for each of the six signatories of the infamous European Super League. Even more laughable is that five of those six signatories have failed to even qualify for the Champions League in recent years. Go figure. 

This has led to speculation that if Man City and Chelsea are found guilty of the potential charges they face from current investigations that the only possible penalty can be relegation of at least one tier,and stripping of titles. The big worry for the authorities though is the potential for even more damaging action than that. 

Leicester,Leeds,Burnley and Southampton all feel hard done by over Everton’s spending breaches. Their argument being that had the club stayed within spending limits,Everton and not themselves would have been relegated. The first three have already announced £100m damages actions-each!-against Everton,while Southampton are likely to follow. 

Now,what happens if City and Chelsea are done,and titles are indeed stripped? This is a can of worms which the EPL,FA,Football League and even UEFA dare not go near. Because the lawsuits will come flying in from every team which was relegated in any season either team was in breach,or lost a cup tie. Or missed out on a European place. Domestically AND in Europe. I can’t wait for the verdicts on these,it will take the wisdom of Solomon and the scheming of Machiavelli to come to an acceptable decision. And they won’t get one either. 

They might even,heaven forbid,use The Scottish Precedent of pretending it never happened. That’s what precedents are for.

Nearer home,on the subject of Machiavellian scheming,we had the wonderful financial results from TRIFCo,declaring a small profit. This should be no great surprise,as they had a record turnover (for them) last year due in no small part to CL participation and the sale of two players for c£22m. How the SMSM trumpeted the great news! Oh,the joy! 

Of course,it didn’t take long to dig a little deeper into those accounts and the heralded “operating profit” to discover that they had actually made a thumping great loss. That they were even deeper in the red. Ah,those pesky Fenians with their education,eh? Still,it all makes for a feelgood story,and they need one. Their fans have even demanded that their new manager be given one of those warchest thingies that they’re so fond of in January! 

Good idea,lads. Maybe the club will buy you all a Lamborghini and a mansion each for Christmas while they’re at it. 

One club which probably does need to be doing some business in very early January is our own,of course. We face the possibility of losing six or seven of our players to the Asian Cup when we return from the winter break. Potentially six games. Our squad is coping admirably with the various injuries we have had so far,but we all know that we would struggle up front without Kyogo AND Oh. Which looks likely. 

We are currently being linked with big Pierre’s son Sydney. 23yo and out of favour at Bologna. Scored 25 goals in 52 games for Herenveen while on loan though,and I honestly can’t see a downside to signing this big fella. Get it done early,get him on the warm weather training trip to get used to his new colleagues. Maybe send him out in the pouring rain or sleet at Lennoxtown for a couple of days once the ink on the contract is dried.

Or someone can ask why we should be scrambling around for cover at such a late stage for something that we knew damn fine well was going to happen anyway. The Asian Cup was no secret,nor was the lack of power up front and in midfield. Our manager identified the latter in interviews,and the fans have known about both for some time before he even arrived. Yet the board sat on their hands,denying him the funds and leaving him to work with the players he is given? 

There are a lot of questions I would like to ask if given the opportunity at that AGM tomorrow. I’m sure you are the same. However,it will be the usual anodyne sterilised self-congratulatory pish on offer,where dissent will not be tolerated by the Politburo. And pointless anyway,as we all know that meaningful questions never make it to a mic,difficult ones are deflected and the vast majority ignored. And that the then CEO and current chairman is not above either downright lying to shareholders or at best admitting to a serious dereliction of duty. Both of which were and are firing offences. 

That is one question above all that I would like to see asked. And answered. Does our current chairman still stand by his reply to the shareholders at the 2019 AGM that he had never seen the 5WA?

And they brought this guy back…

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Just Sayin’
November 21, 2023 7:04 am

Sydney V H would appear to be a bit of a punt.
Maybe a decent loan signing in January, on a try before you buy basis. Perhaps BR can get the best out of him and we discover a younger GG.

Has done reasonably well on loan at Heerenveen, but failed miserably in Serie A.

Just Sayin’
November 21, 2023 7:34 am

As for the Huns, total denial.
Forget operating profit, the cash burn of operating expenses is critical- in the last two years it has grown from £8m per month to £9m.
£5.5m of which is wages. That trajectory spells disaster.

Unsustainable, although the usual caveats of access to CL income and exceptional sales apply.
Re the latter, the reputations of those sold for big money have hardly been enhanced down South, making future suitors wary of what they’ll be getting for big bucks.

For those not wanting the blog proliferate with Hun chat, I’d say it’s important we keep an eye on them – on and off the park.
As things stand they are a very real obstacle to our development and are worth watching.

The Gombeen Man
November 21, 2023 8:05 am

It’s a pity that so much of the apparently hacked data from the 2012 period is either privileged or materially relevant to ongoing litigation.

Hopefully some clarity will come out of the promised Judicial Enquiry.

It would be interesting to find out exactly what happened.

It seems that some folk are all too quick to forget the ongoing perilous nature of the finances of many clubs in Scotland. Things were particularly acute for many SPL clubs back in the early days of Sevco.

Those consequences were much more urgent by the failure to cut a deal with the SFL.

This is a much bigger story than Scottish football. More on that another time.

Anyway,

It’s interesting that the Irish-American billionaire lawyer, Bill Foley is interested in investing in Hibernation. He already owns Bournemouth and a host of interests in the US.

Meanwhile Scottish football’s financial woes and litigation continue…

“Despite spells in administration in 2004 and 2009, Livingston’s most recent audited accounts showed a loss before tax of £819,220. A forecast for the next financial year projects a further loss of £600,000.”

Pacific Media Group are mentioned as potential suitors for Livingston.

There’s an interesting piece the Pacific Media Group/New City Capital, at the end of the following article.

“Scottish Premiership side Livington are in advanced talks with two sets of potential American investors.”

By Stephen Mcgowan For The Scottish Daily Mail.

00:13, 08 Sep 2023 , updated 00:33, 08 Sep 2023

Livingston are in advanced negotiations with potential investors from the USA 
John Ward claimed last month a boardroom civil war was deterring investors 

There is a courtroom battle to oust the current board at the Tony Macaroni Arena
Livingston are in advanced negotiations with two sets of potential investors from the United States.

Lions chairman John Ward claimed last month that a boardroom civil war was deterring investors from ploughing vital funds into the cash-strapped Premiership club.

And court documents seen by Mail Sport claim that a failure to attract cash into the club would lead to ‘greater financial difficulties’ and increase the likelihood of Livingston becoming ‘insolvent’.

Former director Carolyn Sumner and ex-vice-chairman Neil Hogarth are engaged in a courtroom battle to oust the current board at the Tony Macaroni Arena.

A shareholder in the club’s Opcco6 parent company, Sumner has secured an interdict preventing directors from issuing six million new shares which, she argues, would prevent shareholders ‘from exercising their rightful control over the company’.

Livingston are in advanced negotiations with two sets of potential investors from the USA

Lions chairman John Ward claimed last month that a boardroom civil war was deterring investors from ploughing vital funds into the cash-strapped Premiership club

In response, Livingston’s board argue that Ms Sumner has no right to block the rights issue and claim the move is necessary to attract much-needed investment.

Despite spells in administration in 2004 and 2009, Livingston’s most recent audited accounts showed a loss before tax of £819,220. A forecast for the next financial year projects a further loss of £600,000. Loaned £1,783,000 by the Scottish Government as Covid relief, Livi claim the public money covered last year’s losses.

In court documents, the West Lothian outfit state that: ‘Negotiations with two sets of potential investors from the USA are at an advanced stage. The potential investors first noted an interest in purchasing LFC in April 2023.

‘Over recent months, the potential investors have instructed independent valuations of LFC. They have instructed solicitors to conduct due diligence. The potential investment would leave funds within LFC after its purchase to allow LFC to service its debts.

‘The remaining funds would also be used to retain and recruit talent. In the absence of inward investment, LFC would not be able to retain and recruit talent. LFC would risk being relegated.’

Speaking to Mail Sport last month, chairman Ward claimed fresh investment was needed to stem unsustainable losses and lift the team into the top six. 

Ward said: ‘We have been trying to get investment into the club since Covid. On two or three occasions we have had people very interested in getting involved with the club. But, once they get to the stage of due diligence, we have to explain to them what is going on in the club’s background.

‘We have had an ongoing court dispute with shareholders and one ex-director which has been dragging on. And it has placed the club in a holding pattern. We have not turned down anything and there have been no formal offers, but there are absolutely discussions ongoing.’

Court documents seen by Mail Sport warn the losses projected would wipe out Livi’s cash reserves, leave the club in financial difficulties and see them ‘become insolvent shortly after’
In the court documents the club go on to warn that: ‘Absent investment, a further year of the level of losses projected for the 2022-2023 year end would wipe out LFC’s cash reserves. That would leave LFC in greater financial difficulties. LFC would be likely to become insolvent shortly thereafter. 

‘It would not have the cash reserves required to service its debts. LFC’s directors are currently taking steps with a view to putting in place a break-even budget for the 2023-2024 financial year. The further investment proposed (and to be facilitated by the issue of further shares) would be likely to address LFC’s financial concerns. 

‘The proposed investment would be in the best interest of LFC and, consequently, the Company.’

Parent company Oppco6 holds a 70-per-cent stake in Livingston FC, owning 1.3 million of the 1.9 million shares. Despite owning 70 per cent of those Opcco6 shares, however, directors have refused to recognise Sumner’s status — with a number of legal disputes now raging between the two sides. 

Paul Conway’s Pacific Media Group tendered a bid of £1m for a 51-per-cent stake in Livingston in 2020 which was foiled by SFA dual interest red tape. A figure close to the Opcco6 shareholders told Mail Sport that Ms Sumner has been trying to sell her holding ever since, with consultant David Brash appointed to field any offers.

New City Capital and Pacific Media Group co-own eight clubs — Barnsley (England), Thun (Switzerland), Oostende (Belgium), Nancy (France), Esbjerg (Denmark), Den Bosch (Netherlands), Kaiserslautern (Germany) and Tychy (Poland).

https://sportsinvestment.substack.com/p/pacific-media-groups-disastrous-impact#:~:text=Pacific%20Media%20Group%20%2F%20NewCity%20Capital,to%20guy%20for%20club%20management.

Craig 76
November 21, 2023 9:11 am

No uefa fine for Palestine flags last month, wonder why they’ve changed their minds 🤔

Awe Naw
November 21, 2023 9:30 am

Match: UECL HJK Helsinki vs. Eintracht Frankfurt (0:1), 09.11.2023

Charges against Eintracht Frankfurt:

Decision:

To fine Eintracht Frankfurt €30,000 and to ban Eintracht Frankfurt from selling tickets to its away supporters for its next (1) UEFA competition match, for lighting of fireworks and throwing of objects.

No away days coming up soon

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 21, 2023 10:28 am

JUSTSAYIN

Bit much to suggest that he flopped in Italy. He’s not even had a dozen games there since he signed in 2021.

Madmitch
November 21, 2023 10:28 am

Who is realistically away to the Asian Cup in Jan?
And who out of this group is BR giving significant amounts of game time?

DM — definite / currently injured.
RH — probable / currently injured.
KF — possible.
TI — punt.

OHg — Not sure where he fits in the SK pecking order.
YHj — Again not sure / not a starter but might make the squad.

Against AM x 2 — we probably missed AaM more than any of them.
We have a big squad — they have to be able to take their chance when it comes.
If not then they shouldn’t be with us.

B Team angle.
RV must be ready to step up.
BD — if fit after his big injury — must be worth a start.

If all else fails we can get Hertz into the mix — LS does very little apart from score.
Probably just what we need.

The Star Above The Crest
November 21, 2023 10:43 am

Just Sayin’ @7.04 am

At face value you could say he failed at Bologna, however some of our best signings have came to us having struggled elsewhere and with a point to prove, Sutton, Thompson, Hartson, Henrik and to a lesser extent L’ubo.

Just Sayin’
November 21, 2023 10:51 am

If he can’t get a game then the facts would seem to suggest he has flopped … in Italy.
The 2021–22 Serie A season saw Van Hooijdonk make only 4 appearances for his club (each appearance from the bench, and each resulting in no goals or assists).
A return to Bologna for the 2023–24 Serie A season has currently seen Van Hooijdonk score 0 goals and bag 0 assists in 5 appearances.

Big Audio Dynamite
November 21, 2023 11:04 am

I spent years saying English football would go pop because I was sure the financial situation was unsustainable …that was naive. The money, and especially some of the salaries, is one of the reasons I find myself sickened by football these days.
A footballer earning a million pounds a week is just wrong …really wrong! And that is the next milestone to be reached, and soon. So, with the stakes so high these days, it was also naive to think these teams would be playing by the rules. Honestly, if it wasn’t for Celtic, I’m really not sure i’d have any interest in football now. As if it wasn’t bad enough having to swallow what has happened in this country, we now find out the richest clubs on the planet are not willing to play fair. I won’t be holding my breath, by I do hope they all get severely hammered. The authorities will have a chance to begin cleansing the game …will they do the right things? As far as I know, things like title-stripping happens in other sports (Rugby league’s Melbourne Storm spring to mind), why not football?

Can’t say I know a lot about Pierre’s lad, but I’ll be gobsmacked if we are not sitting on Feb1 with at least one new striker. Would you be surprised if we were trying to arrange a short-term loan for someone though? I wouldn’t. Speaking of loans, I can’t be the only one finding the Nat Phillips one a bit strange.

AGM question time? Given you can’t trust a single thing involving football these days, what would be the point in wasting breath? I would however like to find out what Peter thinks of the fact he is probably the most divisive figure that has ever been involved with our great club! I would be willing to bet every penny I have, Peter would accept that without batting an eyelid. Thinking any of these guys give two fecks what us plebs think about them is really, really naive.

Auldheid
November 21, 2023 11:22 am

Craig76
No uefa fine for Palestine flags last month, wonder why they’ve changed their minds 🤔
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I expected this. UEFA would face accusations of anti semitism if Celtic fined and I imagine there are many more clubs than Celtic who showed support for the Palestinans.

Auldheid
November 21, 2023 11:27 am

BAD

What we are finding out is that many of the organisations we believed in were for common good, in fact are not and it is difficult to come to terms with that.
When we hopefully do, then something trustworthy will emerge.

Auldheid
November 21, 2023 11:31 am

BMCUW.

To sum up attitude to AGM, it is the consequence of lack of trust as result of past actions by Board Members.

The mushroom theory of management – keep us in the dark and feed us shit no longer works on a better informed support no longer in the dark.

Just Sayin’
November 21, 2023 11:53 am

B A D

I agree that if Celtic wasn’t in my dna I’d barely give football a glance.
In a generation it has turned into a bloated plutocracy.

When Celtic aren’t involved I treat it like other sports I occasionally enjoy watching.
Tune in for the big occasions, one offs only.

Margaret McGill
November 21, 2023 12:08 pm

I hope the GB don’t rush the turnstiles and force open fire exits at Fir Park Sunday as it will only give UEFA more ammo. I’m guessing the GB aren’t on tomorrows AGM agenda?

CaltonTongues
November 21, 2023 12:13 pm

Mags,

Considering the game is at Celtic Park (on Saturday), I don’t think anyone will notice let alone care 😁

HH

Margaret McGill
November 21, 2023 12:22 pm

Calton
Saturday?
That must mean Lazio next week
Thank goodness

CaltonTongues
November 21, 2023 12:32 pm

Mags,

Yes, Lazio Tuesday 28th at 7.45pm.

HH

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 21, 2023 12:56 pm

CALTONTONGUES,MAGS

Anyone would think you two went to the same school. Mind you,at least CALTONTONGUES got the dates and venues right.

We are at home to Motherwell on Saturday. 3pm GMT. We are away to Lazio,hopefully with my sisters cheering us on if anyone knows how to get them a couple of tickets,on Tuesday at 545pm GMT.

Still,the important thing is that we will all three of us,and everyone else with Celtic emblazoned across our hearts,be supporting the Bhoys every minute of both games. Even if it is only from an armchair,sadly.

Bada Bing
November 21, 2023 1:08 pm

Lazio away kick off is 5.45 pm Bhoys

CaltonTongues
November 21, 2023 1:15 pm

Crikey, I’ll need to clean this screen as looking at Lazio KO it does say 17.45pm, I couldn’t see the 1 😁

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 21, 2023 1:20 pm

CALTONTONGUES

Haha,you’d have thought it was Mystic Meg doing the match updates next week!

CaltonTongues
November 21, 2023 1:26 pm

BMCUWP,

It’s that Clarty you could almost dip bread in it 😁

That’s Lunch over 😎

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 21, 2023 1:32 pm

CALTONTONGUES

Aye. All over your screen,from the sounds of ye.

INIQUITOUS IV
November 21, 2023 1:41 pm

South Korea 2-0 up in China, Son with both goals. Oh still on bench.

INIQUITOUS IV
November 21, 2023 2:06 pm

South Korea win 3-0 away in China. Klinsmann makes 5 subs but leaves Oh on bench.
I think Oh will be at the Asian Cup, but the manager prefers Son and the star man from the last World Cup Gue-sung Cho. Angie tried to sign this lad, but for some reason, he opted for Midtjylland.

INIQUITOUS IV
November 21, 2023 2:21 pm

BIGRAILROADBLUES
“Good afternoon all from the Queens Park Cafe. Rules be damned. I’ll spend, spend, spend!!!!”
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How do you do that when you always keep yer hands in yer poackits?🤣😂😅
HH
INIQUITOUS IV😊

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 21, 2023 2:42 pm

BIGRAILROADBLUES,INIQUITOUS IV

“I’ll spend, spend, spend!!!!”

Wasn’t that Viv Nicholson? I wish Michael Nicholson thought that way at times.

Leggy
November 21, 2023 2:56 pm

Hey you,

Stop slagging BRRB !!!!!

He’s keeping his powder dry for tomorrow 😔

Can’t think who he is meeting ?????

RubbermanWednesdayCSC 💚💚💚

INIQUITOUS IV
November 21, 2023 3:04 pm

Leggy
Hey you,

Stop slagging BRRB !!!!!
——————————-
How no?🤣😅😂
Good to hear from you mate. Wish I could join you.☹️
HH😊

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 21, 2023 3:21 pm

LEGGY

More like…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8y1kp5x0GA

Have fun though,lads. I’ll try to nip up to Glasgow for a quick one over Christmas.

Magua
November 21, 2023 3:49 pm

BMCUW

An enlightening article for someone like me. I know less than nothing of English football these days. If everyone gets lawyered-up, this could get interesting. I’m pretty sure that the very first AGM that I attended, was in November 1995. The Q and A was a bit of a free for all. If you had a question to ask, you joined the queue. Here’s the thing though. If Fergus did not like the question being asked, he would mute the mike. So much for free speech. This was as nothing though, compared to the next AGM that I attended, in November 1997. You may remember the previous close-season, when Jock Brown ‘traded’ Paolo Di Canio, and became deeply unpopular with a large section of the Celtic support as a result. Anyhoo, we were all patiently seated waiting for the high heid yins to appear. When they did, they were met with a chorus of boos, directed mainly at Fergus and Jock Brown. Jock Brown was getting it in the neck. He was getting called a “feckin’ bluenose bastard”…and much worse besides. I don’t think that either Fergus or Jock Brown enjoyed the experience too much. I expect tomorrow’s AGM to be tame by comparison.

Craig76

Football Without Fans arrived this morning. Cheers for the heads-up. 👍

Hail Hail.

Margaret McGill
November 21, 2023 4:06 pm

Does anyone know specifically what part of EPL FFP rules Everton breached?
If they had went into administration they would have been deducted 9 points not 10.

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 21, 2023 4:18 pm

MAGUA

Brown filled a position created by Fergus. It was designed to prevent or moderate Fergus’ total control,which even Fergus himself knew was unviable.

Right job. Wrong man.

We were on a run of bad form when it was announced that Brown had been sacked in the morning. We won 6-0 in the afternoon.

I make no secret of my thoughts about Lawwell,but Brown was our worst appointment ever by a long way.

Mike in Toronto
November 21, 2023 4:19 pm

Magua @ 3:49
BMCUW

An enlightening article for someone like me. I know less than nothing of English football these days. If everyone gets lawyered-up, this could get interesting.

************

Finally, someone who is talking sense. Scottish football needs more lawyers!

Allhough, if I take my lawyer hat off for a moment, I can acknowledge that it is sad when lawyers have to be brought in to get some sense of truth…

It seems everyone related to this scam sued, and got money …. except for the victims of the fraud… who were Celtic (although they appear to have joined the fraud at some time, so their status is both victim of the fraud and perpetrator) and the Celtic shareholders and fans….

Auldheid
November 21, 2023 4:19 pm

This should be of interest to those who think Celtic are keeping the lid on spending because of what DD and other large shareholders get in return..

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/past-five-years-celtic-lon-101736094.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJpPb72HETR2SnjV1Uo8O5InpPB_OeaoGKPRkDCwNYjha_wPVgAE4gIxqSRTNoa8mkzhdrIJaXEjfEQX4EG8JV3OfVzjh_Mjp9md79Si6pcaVNj4a8KMMI_cFG7Fge9DTyr8IGcCSiunBLId_cx1cxL9B4QqLx03WnYem8LMQ449

It links to detailed report that covers future growth that seems to my untrained eye to be grim.

” During five years of share price growth, Celtic moved from a loss to profitability. That would generally be considered a positive, so we are surprised to see the share price is down. Other metrics might give us a better handle on how its value is changing over time.

The Report

It suggest that Celtic have lost share value which does question the thinking in the opening sentence but also the thinking of the large shareholders?

A reasonable question is:

Does fear of killing domestic competition for SPFL title act as a handbrake on what Celtic can spend within FSR that greatly exceeds what RFC Ltd/RIFC can?
https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2023/11/20/an-annual-opportunity-that-shouldnt-be-wasted/#more-32705 see 2nd question.

A calculation of football earnings advantage already posted using latest accounts of both is at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16WipKORqiAHCojNt3_hT0SlMBzfGiXYt/edit#gid=1401475438

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16 roads
November 21, 2023 4:23 pm

English top-flight football is a vast, money laundering scheme.

Similar in Spain and Italy,add in all the Saudi washing of money.. money that doesn’t even exist in real terms, just digits on a screen.

Not a chance of Everton being deducted 10 points because that would just open a giant can of worms.

Margaret McGill
November 21, 2023 4:28 pm

Did some high level googling the last 25 minutes

Man City financials mainly owned and managed by some UAE scum
Arsenal financials mainly managed by some American Real estate scum
Everton financials mainly managed by some Putin and possible Iranian backed scum
Seems like financial fair play to me not a tad of politics anywhere

Auldheid you can use this at the AGM tomorrow when Liellawwell brings up the topic of the electric bill for the disco lights

Mike in Toronto
November 21, 2023 4:30 pm

Gombeen

Scottish football probably looks like a good investment for foreign investors…. as an investment, it has huge growth potential ….

I can see why foreign investors would look at teams like Hibs, and see them as much like English teams in the late ’80’s and early ’90’s…. clearlly underperforming financially with huge growth potential… so there is potential for huge return on a relatively small investment

right now, you could buy the entire SPL (including Celtic and Sevco) for less than the price of some MLS franchises ….. so someone buys an SPL team for less than the price of some minor, minor league sports franchises here…. clear out the shit, and the game and profits almost cant help but grow …

16 roads
November 21, 2023 4:33 pm

Jock Brown never a hun.

Best Scottish football commentator ever he was, fair, balanced and impartial.

Not like that Roddy Forsyth.

Trying to remember the other fraud,used to have a fit whenever the dead club scored against us,then the tone of his voice changed markedly when we scored?

Magua
November 21, 2023 4:34 pm

BMCUW

Brown was a disaster for Celtic. He very quickly alienated good Celtic men like Murdo and Davie Hay…and of course, Wim Jansen. I believe that his presence at the club was toxic. It was his way, or the highway. I wonder if Big Peter used the Brown fella as a role model?

MIT

That’s a first… someone accusing me of talking sense. 😀

Hail Hail.

Margaret McGill
November 21, 2023 4:47 pm

What did Jock Brown ever do for Celtic?
He brought in Wim Jansen and Josef Venglos
What a fanny.

Auldheid
November 21, 2023 4:47 pm

Margaret McGill
Does anyone know specifically what part of EPL FFP rules Everton breached?
If they had went into administration they would have been deducted 9 points not 10.
===========
I don’t know the FA rule but the current SFA rule is under

Article 5 Obligations and Duties of Members

5 (f) behave towards the Scottish FA and other members with the utmost good faith.

Everton were charged with not acting in utmost good faith and as I’ve oft stated and explained this is what Rangers should have been charged with in 2012 if the current rule existed then but I’ve not been able to go back that far.

5.1 a is arguably applicable too.

All members shall:-
(a) observe the principles of loyalty, integrity and sportsmanship in accordance with the
rules of fair play.

I assume the FA have an equivalent.

It is no coincidence I think that the FA are now doing the right thing under the threat of legislation to bring in a Regulator

Its all appenin man!

Margaret McGill
November 21, 2023 4:51 pm

Aildheid
That’s the fraudulent worthless double speak.
The reality is here;
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2023/11/21/evertons-ten-point-deduction-explained/

big packy
November 21, 2023 5:03 pm

AFTERNOON ALL AND JIM hope you are all well, dont feel like posting tonight,wee joan has been in agony with her back all day thankfully the tablets and the patches have kicked in, managed to get her to eat a tin of baxters lentil and bacon soup with a slice of bread, she is sleeping soundly on the couch now.GNAGB ALL,another true story.H,H,

Magua
November 21, 2023 5:06 pm

Big Packy

Best wishes to Joan…and your good self, of course.

Hail Hail.

Auldheid
November 21, 2023 5:27 pm

16 roads
English top-flight football is a vast, money laundering scheme.

Similar in Spain and Italy,add in all the Saudi washing of money.. money that doesn’t even exist in real terms, just digits on a screen.

Not a chance of Everton being deducted 10 points because that would just open a giant can of worms.
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You have it wrong. Everton HAVE been deducted 10 points for not acting in utmost good faith to fellow members. They are now second bottom https://www.premierleague.com/tables.

They might appeal but the real problem as a result is clubs relegated seeking compensation and that opens up a whole new ball game.

The LNS Commission never looked at that aspect and his Decision based on incomplete information prevented the question of compensation ever arising. One of its purposes.

LNS said Rangers got no sporting advantage as result of ebt use, The FA have decided that Everton did by being able to pay better players than the opposition by spending outside the FA rules.

Rangers spent outside HMRC rules, not football at the time, but it involved dishonesty which undermines Rangers claim that they thought loans with side letters were lawful and so no need to disclose full details to SFA.
Had they thought that in 2005 when HMRC asked if they had side letters for De Boer and Flo they would not have denied their existence to HMRC.

16 roads
November 21, 2023 5:46 pm

Auldheid @ November 21, 2023 5:27 pm

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Yes.

As things stand, Everton have been deducted 10 points, however you can rest assured this decision will be reversed in the not-too-distant future!

Semantics CSC. ☘️

Auldheid
November 21, 2023 5:50 pm

Mags

Margaret McGill
Auldheid
That’s the fraudulent worthless double speak.
The reality is here;
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2023/11/21/evertons-ten-point-deduction-explained/
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No, what I posted is spot on. I don’t make things up out of nowhere. I try to have some evidence to support my comments..

Here is what Everton stated after charged, the basis of my point.

As soon as I read the term last week I thought that is what Rangers should be charged with.

Everton maintains that it has been open and transparent in the information it has provided to the Premier League and that it has always respected the integrity of the process. The Club does not recognise the finding that IT FAILED TO ACT WITH THE UTMOST GOOD FAITH and it does not understand this to have been an allegation made by the Premier League during the course of proceedings. Both the harshness and severity of the sanction imposed by the Commission are neither a fair nor a reasonable reflection of the evidence submitted.

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/3788440/club-statement

The Liverpool paper article to be fair to you did not mention that utmost good faith aspect.

Everton will now have to prove that they did act as required by the FA equivalent of SFA Article 5f

It is a pity Rangers were not asked to prove the same in 2012 and provide all ebt with side letters to the SFA.

Ooops, forgot. The SFA passed the responsibility for LNS to SPL, whose lawyers asked Rangers Administrator’s to supply all ebt related documents from 2000 to SPL, but the documents relating to the lie of 2005 do not seem to have been handed over. Its all in the Res12 Archive at http://www.res12.uk