Its not a funny old game anymore

I’ve no real desire to write about todays AGM. Every year folk get ready to demand answers, that never comes. I can see the comments now, ‘that was a great question but a wishy-washy answer’,,same as it ever was.
Anyhow, perusing the football news of the week brings more than enough subjects.
 
Domestically the head of the SFA told the press that VAR has been a great success up north, which is telling me and you that having faceless backup is working out wonderfully for the inherent corruption.
I’ve seen the penalty stats of another club, if a bookmaker or bookmakers stopped taking bets on penalties for the Ibrox mob would that finally get a finger raised?
How bad are times when the bookie is your last hope?
 
Elsewhere the true custodians of the game UEFA made a total arse of themselves three times in the one week, showing the circus that football has become under their watch. First they back down on the Palestine flag showing real inconsistency in governance, never a good thing, and not long after their chairman Severin said it would be a shame if Italy didn’t qualify for the Euros. Later that night Ukraine were absolutely robbed of victory assuring the Italians go through.
Finally they just blew the entire rationale behind FSR/FFP by allowing the English clubs to loan players from Saudi sister clubs under the same group umbrella. The implications are obvious. The English club in the branch needs a striker but can’t actually afford him, easy, we just get the Saudi club to buy him and send him on loan to us.
Farcical.
 
But then so is the EPL these days, the clubs that approved this measure. The biggest league in the world has more than enough problems these days. Not one, not two or three, but four clubs are now in the dock with points deductions and title stripping fully on the agenda, yet they don’t want an Independent Regulator?
Tottenham are the latest to be looking at charges, which should have been brought originally in 2008 when the offense occurred. Lowly Luton received a 10 point deduction for the same offense in the same year, Spurs got the wink and the nod. What’s incredible here is that Luton can’t sue the EPL for damages, that’s illegal in football law.
They’ve been fully screwed over by the system, but then so have Spurs apparently. Originally cleared, some 15 years later when they get strong the skeletons in the closet emerge? What timing, and who wants to chop them down at the knees is the question? No one looks at the 2008 transfer digging for dirt, this was timed and planted in my book. Whoever got The Times to do an investigation into this transfer which subsequently blew the lid on the affair has an agenda.
 
Following recent news of a Saudi World Cup, rumours of Saudi teams getting Champions League entry, now Saudi clubs loaning players (did clubs ever coveted Saudi players previously?), FIFA on board, UEFA cowed, now the EPL rocked by a string of serious scandals and the title potentially buyable via a loan loophole,,,its clear to me football has left being a mere sport and has become a very big pawn in the geopolitical game of thrones.
Decry American owners/investors at your peril for at least their intentions are obvious, profit plain and simple. No surprise there.
But I’m already reading speculation that clubs shall become a bargaining chip to the Middle East countries or alliances, laying wreck to the EPL shall be used as a bargaining chip against the British government in negotiations. It’s most successful export and great revenue earner is at high risk.
Given this, is it any wonder Westminster pushed through getting their own man at the table via the Independent Regulator? Not at all, better late than never.
 
To enhance this sorry state of affairs, we just learned clubs down south can sue another club for damages (the Everton case) which makes me wonder why there’s no clamour for court cases up north post 2012?
It’s the can of worms nobody especially UEFA wanted to open, but now EPL opened that can. Which will get much worse if City and/or Chelsea get title stripped, now precedent has been set that going after damages is on the table.
Where’s our damages would be a very apt question today.
 
By Mahe

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Margaret McGill
November 22, 2023 6:08 am

Mahe
I couldn’t agree more

Margaret McGill
November 22, 2023 6:10 am

Auldheid
The rules and regulations you quote so assiduously are only implemented when whatever governing football body decides that their gravy train is threatened. In the case of the EPL and Everton is/was Russian/Iranian oligarch blood money not their cozy Middle East public beheading pariahs. (See Newcastle today). Same criteria for UEFA and FIFA. In the case of the SFA it was simple willful avoidance to maintain the bigot buck. Sadly, as you now know Celtic PLC participated in this fraud. The games a bogey man just accept it. Some arsehole once said Football without fans is nothing. Football is now nothing but short term entertainment. You can’t even fly the “wrong” flags these days without serious repercussions. The perimeter is sealed. VAR can now ensure the outcome of competitive games LIVE when “necessary “. That’s why Messi “won” the World Cup. I now check results for free and pay for Netflix

Angel Gabriel
November 22, 2023 7:05 am

Mahe .
All harsh , but all true.
My attention limited span towards fitba down south, meant I missed the decision to allow loans from sister clubs in Saudi.

Bonkers , but money talks .
The game elsewhere is becoming more like Scottish football every week. Bent .

Prestonpans bhoys
November 22, 2023 7:34 am

Mahe

That’s a very informative piece 👏

Leggy
November 22, 2023 8:04 am

Morning all..

Not a Shareholder so not going to AGM.

However, if anyone is going and fancies a beer afterwards, myself and the legendary BRRB are meeting for a couple of beers.

You are more than welcome to join us 👍👍

Ps
Great to see JimtheTim53 posting last night.Sounds like you’ve been through the mill, but glad your posting again, and please take care 💚💚

Auldheid
November 22, 2023 9:03 am

Mags

It looks like it but there will be consequence for having a game that is perceived more and more as corrupt, so we’ll see.

At this point it’s sit back and watch the consequences unfold.

Who expected the flurry of damage claims after Everton got sanctioned by rules that you say are not applied? Who expected that?

I only quote the rules to inform readers so they know when they have not been applied.

The key one is that the rules totally depended on clubs acting in utmost good faith with no policing or decisions being taken on commercial rather than sporting reasons.

Now that has been invoked and why is a change. It may be the genie that cannot be put back in the bottle.

If rules are ignored then why have them?

Why have FIFA ?
Why have UEFA?
Why have rules?

When it becomes in both FIFA and UEFA”s interest to apply rules or introduce new ones to safeguard themselves that is when it happens.

It is the way of things to get it wrong and as a result try to get it right.

Just Sayin’
November 22, 2023 9:08 am

A corpulent power and influence business that pretends sporting endeavour is at its core. One would have to be naive to believe the notion that it is a competitive game. Elitism rules.

It’s why many of us take little interest outside of our own corrupt backwater, where the challenges of superior behaviour are different but no less sinister. Heritage, shared cultural tradition makes it a difficult bond to break

If you’re not in the inside, you’re outside just making up the numbers.

Just Sayin’
November 22, 2023 9:14 am

Auldheid

Even crooks have rules of engagement.
It’s what makes the world go round.

Just Sayin’
November 22, 2023 9:17 am

Problem is it’s their rules.

16 roads
November 22, 2023 9:36 am

Rules for me,but not for thee.

Everton have acknowledged that they broke the rules, however there are many mitigating circumstances, most notably the funding of a new stadium.

Everton gained no sporting advantage whatsoever due to breaking said rules.

The unprecedentedly harsh sanction of Everton was instigated by corrupt bureaucrats,who don’t know the first thing about football.

Said numpties obviously believed Everton to be a soft touch,a club which they could make an example of.

Unfortunately for them they picked the wrong club, and more significantly the wrong support.

Everton football club epitomises the working class community

The decision to target Everton has already backfired spectacularly, primarily because the corruption and double standards are being brought to light.

Sunday’s game at Goodison Park is going to be electric. ⚡

When those who make the law are those who break the law.. CSC.

Auldheid
November 22, 2023 9:46 am

Just Sayin

Indeed. It is a matter of it being in their self interest to see them applied properly.

If folk stop watching or rather paying to watch (unlikely in large enough numbers) then it would become in their self interest to change the rules.

The issue goes much wider than football of course. Football rules are the laws of the game and the rule of law is vital for the preservation of society at large.

It gets ignored at the peril of society and we live in a world that is becoming more and more unlawful governed by crooks.

Those crooks were voted in by folk whose understanding of how the law provides them with safeguards is non existent, but no politics.

Auldheid
November 22, 2023 10:15 am

16 Roads.

You may be right that Everton gained no sporting advantage. It depends on whether they spent money that should have gone towards building the stadium on players.
That is cut their cloth to suit their means.
It also depends on how up front they were in the presentation of their accounts. If any ” creatativity” involved then there would be a case for not acting in utmost good faith.

I recall reading but will need to check Everton were given the opportunity to stay within financial guidelines but never took it. Was that acting in utmost good faith to FA?
Everton are contesting the charge as I read their statement and FA will need to justify the reference to utmost good faith but the basis of a points deduction in principle is that if a club was paying players it could not afford under the same financial rules that every other club adhered to, then that gave them a sporting advantage and the points deduction was about nullifying that advantage.
Neil Warnock started that ball rolling a while ago when he called out Leicester who breached some rule on finance saying they got an advantage from playing players his team could not afford within the rules.

Arsene Wenger complained about this type of unfairness when at Arsenal and you can bet Man Utd fans will be demanding a sporting sanction if Man City are found to have broken the rules using “creative” accounting.

Regardless of Everton does anyone believe that in Scotland Rangers acted in utmost good faith to fellow members?

They got 10 points deducted under the Warnock principle when entering administration. Recognition Rangers had gained a sporting advantage by paying players at expense of other creditors, but no one told LNS

Auldheid
November 22, 2023 10:44 am

16Roads

Just read the Mail article.

We will have to wait to see if FA can demonstrate how Everton gained a sporting advantage from their approach to finances or if indeed the points deduction relates to some other FA rule.

The sanction applied to the big six had no sporting advantage element to address.

The big six in that instance were not gaining nor had gained from paying players outwith the rules so a bit of a red herring by Jamie Carragher.

Summing it up as matters appear to be; the FA seem to have got themselves into a bit of a fankle.

St tams
November 22, 2023 10:45 am

JimtheTim53
Good to here that you are better health 👍

Good article Mahe. If the game continues the way it’s going with VAR, clubs accumulating huge debts , the cheating from UEFA and the Saudi influence.
I doubt that many of us , will have any interest in the game in 4/5 yes time.

Bada Bing
November 22, 2023 10:52 am

Celtic have been hit with a new €29k fine over a series of incidents in their Champions League clash with Atletico Madrid in October.

The largest of the three fines will cost the club €17,500 and comes for a ‘provocative message of an offensive nature’ and is understood to be caused by the Palestine flag display. UEFA rules don’t allow for flags of a political nature to be flown and there had been warnings put out prior to the round of fixtures for no Palestine or Israel flags to be flown by fans from other countries.

The ongoing conflict in the Middle East has continued to take lives and Celtic’s Green Brigade produced the display in the north curve while also handing out flags to the rest of the stadium during the game, having urged all fans to bring a Palestine flag to the match.

The other two fines include a €3,500 punishment for the lighting of fireworks as well as an €8k fine for the blocking of passageways inside the stadium.

Atletico Madrid were also hit with a €3k fine for fireworks while they also got a warning for improper conduct due to five or more players being booked.

Margaret McGill
November 22, 2023 11:03 am

JTT53
Good to see you online again
Keep posting my friend

Prestonpans bhoys
November 22, 2023 11:08 am

And so the dam bursts….after two media sources reveal a hun lost in their accounts the DR follow too:

“Rangers’ accounts were revealed last week and showed the champions’ rivals had posted a loss of £4.1m. Yet the figures also highlighted Rangers had spent more on wages than their cash-rich rivals.”

Bada Bing
November 22, 2023 11:10 am

Kevin van Veen available on loan in January, a no brainer with Kyogo and Oh away with Asian Cup, not sure about Shankland,and wouldn’t pay the £3 million plus Hearts would be looking for ,at his age…..

Billy Bhoy
November 22, 2023 11:24 am

Great article Mahe!. I had to go back and read it a second time just to try and take it all in.

I’m rapidly falling out of love with football. I used to sit and watch both Sportscene and MOTD on a Saturday night. Now, I only watch the Celtic highlights, scroll through the hun game to PMSL at the latest farcical “penalty” and occasionally watch the best game from MOTD.

Recently I emptied my planner of 3 weeks worth of unwatched football highlights. The next step will probably be to cancel the series link. I made a wee joke on CQN around 2016 that watching the SPFL was the footballing equivalent to WWF wrestling. It got quite a reaction at the time. It’s quite something – and pretty sad – to see that this statement has practically become a mainstream view!

JimDom
November 22, 2023 11:28 am

Enjoyable read Mahe.

From the original brown paper bag man, Joao Havelange, through to Michel Platini, with all the Sepp Blatters in between, the stench of corruption has never been far from both Fifa and Uefa these past 50 years. Money just doesn’t talk, it sings and dances when waved in front of certain characters.

If there’s a dollar, ruble, or riyal to be made from football then the Yank Franchisers, Oligarchs, and Public Investment Funds, will want their collective snouts in the troughs.

Fans of the actual game of football are something of a nuisance, as the Celtic fans facing the suited top table at this morning’s AGM will be made to feel. A staged managed event from start to finish.

Resolution 2 is the Reappointment of Peter Lawwell as Chairman. Even if this Resolution went to a show of hands in the room, and every hand on the floor voted against, the block of major shareholders will ensure that the acceptance of Resolution 2 is a formality. That’s our Celtic in the 21st century, the only hand that counts is that belonging to Dermot Desmond (who won’t bother attending).

PLC’s by their very nature, are by the rich, for the rich. Pretty much the same as any Tory Government. And, we are supposed to believe that Peter Lawwell, and his pals on the European Club talking shop WhatsApp group, wrote the rules on FSR. Aye right, so he did. The PLC can big up Lawwell until the end of time. He is, and always will be, a charlatan.

What should happen at the end of the AGM, is that everyone in the room is invited to join the top table for a bit of lunch in one of the lounges. A sort of meet and mingle. If Celtic actually was A Club Like No Other, then all the executive directors and NEDS would welcome the chance to chat to Celtic fans.

But it won’t happen, the top table will head away for their own lunch and the Celtic fans in attendance will file out onto the streets. Just like any other PLC AGM. Know your place Celtic fans.

cosy corner bhoy
November 22, 2023 11:31 am

Late to the party as usual! Absolutely over the moon to see JimtheTim posting again👍
At next hoot I’ll help you finish the wine bottle(s) 😀 Hope your health keeps improving.
I got my Covid and Flu jags today
Hope they don’t affect me tonight as AGNM at golf club and I’m supposed to be raising a question on the Equality Act 2010 and the club’s non-compliance last year and already this year also! Should be interesting 😀

The Gombeen Man
November 22, 2023 11:48 am

Morning,

It’s always about money…

Take broadcasting for example.

What % of PL/UEFA/FIFA comes from broadcasting?

Comcast own Sky.

Who owns them?

CMCSA – Comcast Corp Shareholders – CNNMoney.com
https://money.cnn.com/quote/shareholders/shareholders.html?symb=CMCSA&subView=institutional#:~:text=Comcast%20Corp%20(NASDAQ%3ACMCSA)&text=Institutional%20investors%20hold%20a%20majority,the%20Cable%2FSatellite%20TV%20industry.

Who owns TNT Sports?

https://fourweekmba.com/who-owns-warner-bros/

BEin Sports?

beinmediagroup.com/the-group/nasser-al-khelaifi

– PSG.

Sovereign Wealth funds or US based Equity Funds.

That’s before we consider the growing number of clubs and actual leagues partially owned by equity based funds…often bought by leveraged or reverse takeovers.

That’s where the power lies.

A significant drop in income for UEFA or the PL sponsorship or broadcasting would be disastrous.

Equity funds (and Sovereign Wealth funds) control the majority of club votes in the PL.

These guys are the decision makers.

They’re simply monetising out attachment to intellectual property.

Sadly we’re too often stuck in that Old Firm vortex to see what’s really going on.

Maybe that’s the plan, across all the leagues?

– I haven’t seen much of the Saudi/Newcastle loan story.

They’ll have to stay within the FSR limits for wages etc. (On paper anyway…)

That’ll be interesting considering the tax free earnings available in Saudi.

Worth watching.

‘It will mean clubs in Europe will not be allowed to spend any more than 70% of total revenue on squad salaries, transfer amortisation and agents commissions.

Even then, this generous ratio will be bedded in gently.

In 2023-24, it will be sent at 90%, then lowered to 80% and 70% respectively across the 2024-25 and 2025-26 seasons.’

Craig 76
November 22, 2023 11:56 am

As sure as night follow follows day another Hun super kid arrives
https://x.com/CelticEnded2iar/status/1727237528187752709?s=20

Big Audio Dynamite
November 22, 2023 12:00 pm

Just Sayin’, 9.08

Agreed.

The Star Above The Crest
November 22, 2023 12:07 pm

Jim Dom @11.28

Bang on the money there mate.

Big Audio Dynamite
November 22, 2023 12:19 pm

Nice to hear from you, Jim the Tim.

The only way is up, buddy 💚🍀

Auldheid
November 22, 2023 12:27 pm

The Gombeen Man

FSR came into effect in June 2022 so I’ve assumed (so could be wrong) that the 90% limit applied to the licensing round for 22/23 that ended in May 23.

If my assumption is correct it will be 80% in 23/24 licence round and 70% in 24/25 round and 70% thereafter.

Auldheid
November 22, 2023 12:54 pm

JimDom

And, we are supposed to believe that Peter Lawwell, and his pals on the European Club talking shop WhatsApp group, wrote the rules on FSR. Aye right, so he did. The PLC can big up Lawwell until the end of time. He is, and always will be, a charlatan.
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Celtic claimed at last AGM that Finance Director Chris McKay and CEO Michael Nicholson were involved in the development in FSR . I don’t think PL ‘s expertise would be needed other than to set direction on what areas needed addressed.

Given it is in Celtic’s interest to get tighter licensing rules, then they lied to shareholders at last AGM if they in fact were not involved.

If they were they met their undertaking to shareholders made at AGM 2020 to engage with relevant authorities re SFA Judicial Disciplinary Panel Tribunal failing in May 2020 to pursue disciplinary action re overdue tax in 2011. *

OR

they are derelict in their duty to protect Celtic from the kind of financial chicanery supporters have moaned about for years.

We are now reaching the point when the lack of trust undermines any chance of putting matters right when attempts to do so are disbelieved. THAT is the real problem.

* anyone can read about SFA Decision not to pursue the JPDT and AGM statement re engagement at https://res12.uk/events-following-2019-agm-to-2020-agm/

Bada Bing
November 22, 2023 1:16 pm

fan asks about the penalty miss by VAR vs St Mirren. (Probably referring to the block on Kyogo).

Nicholson replies: ‘Penalty Rangers’.

Just Sayin’
November 22, 2023 1:18 pm

B A D
St Tams

The more one sees the sport mutating as a business enterprise into a corporate/ sovereign funded version of Rollerball, it provides another example of the commodification of everything.

Heritage, shared cultural/traditional values become distant and nostalgic memories sacrificed on the altar of Mammon.

My two adult sons have already found better things to do with their time than watch a skewed game.
I’m hanging on because it’s more deeply embedded in me.

Bada Bing
November 22, 2023 1:33 pm

Another fan quizes the board on whether Jota could come back on loan.

Rodgers says he will ask Michael Nicholson.

JimDom
November 22, 2023 1:35 pm

Auldheid @ 12;54

Celtic and FSR

A possible scenario:
Uefa send out an email to selective club CEO’s/FD’s with the following FSR points for discussion :-
# Break Even Rules
# Squad Cost Rules
# Overdue Payables

Nicholson and McKay discuss the email, and include Lawwell in the discussion (even if PL was between his CEO and Chairman roles).

Nicholson and McKay reply to the email, as do 101 other Euro club CEO’s/FD’s. Celtic can then tell shareholders, at the AGM, that the club was involved in the development of FSR. Job done.

Auldheid
November 22, 2023 1:43 pm

JimDom
Auldheid @ 12;54

Celtic and FSR

A possible scenario:
Uefa send out an email to selective club CEO’s/FD’s with the following FSR points for discussion :-
# Break Even Rules
# Squad Cost Rules
# Overdue Payables

Nicholson and McKay discuss the email, and include Lawwell in the discussion (even if PL was between his CEO and Chairman roles).

Nicholson and McKay reply to the email, as do 101 other Euro club CEO’s/FD’s. Celtic can then tell shareholders, at the AGM, that the club was involved in the development of FSR. Job done.
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You made that up to suit your position.

You ignore my point that Celtic had good reason to want a tightening of overdue payable rule and stop non football money being used as happened over 10 years with Rangers to make them more competitive. Both cost Celtic money.

Most see what Rangers did as cheating and if not stopping that is in Celtic’s interest the game is a bigger bogey than we thought.

INIQUITOUS IV
November 22, 2023 2:33 pm

Otamendi’s winner for Argentina in the Maracana ( 2:05 in on the attached clip ).

Soaring header from a corner. A few days ago, I saw some great historic examples of these ( I’ve lost the link ). I wish we could see more of these for Celtic, but we just don’t have the aerial ability. Think back to Jordan, Andy Gray, McQueen, Larsson, Sutton, Shearer, Puyol, Pique, Ramos, Pepe, John Charles, Cristiano, just to name a few.

Big Packy occasionally reminds us of another guy who specialized at these thumping headers. Cannae mind his name for the moment.🤣😅😂

https://youtu.be/XkaWdDjVfBk?si=1U_sV22LnVIwRNMK

Big Audio Dynamite
November 22, 2023 2:35 pm

So, Michael Nicholson thinks this is all a bit of a joke?
The team getting cheated year in and year out ..
Fans paying thousands of pounds every year and expecting a fair competition,
have to listen to that buffoon make jokes while our club get shafted.
Read the room, you utter bellend!!
These leeches CGAF how we feel …
You’re about as funny as gonorrhea, Michael!!

INIQUITOUS IV
November 22, 2023 2:46 pm

Englandshire U-17 team knocked out of the World Cup 2-1 in the round of 16 by, wait for it, Uzbekistan!

Even the Uzbeks are developing youngsters better than Scotland. Maybe we should be sending coaches out to Tashkent, Samarkand and Bukhara to see how they do it?

Bada Bing
November 22, 2023 3:10 pm

BAD- That was my first reaction, deal with the issue, a lot of the Rory Bremners about it….

Prestonpans bhoys
November 22, 2023 3:45 pm

BAD@2:35

My thoughts exactly when I saw Bada posting his reply. They are in their own wee private bubble….

Rebus67
November 22, 2023 3:52 pm

Hi Folks,

I have decided to leave the blog. I might as well because I receive no/little interest in my posts. The last three received nada or virtually nada. Fair enough, each of us has the right to ignore posts or individuals. However, for me, it means, there is little interest in what I write, so there is no point in wasting time posting it.

I posted on the ripple effects of the “Everton” situation to the sound of one hand clapping. Then a few days later lead articles appear on the blog and they generate considerable interest. So what am I to conclude? It is not the topic that matters, it is who the poster is that determines interest.

It will not be easy to drop the blog because it has become part of the daily ritual for me but I might as well.

People come, people go, it is no big deal. However, it was a delight to see Jim the Tim on the blog again.

Welcome back, Jim and may you continue to find strength. It is also good to see TGM back after a pause. Your posts are always thought provoking as are those of MM, who is the resident doo-doo disturber.

Finally, thanks to the two blog masters for many great times.

Rebus

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 22, 2023 3:57 pm

BAD et al

On the other hand,it shows that the board are aware of those problems. What they are doing about it,trying to do or are prepared to do is another question entirely.

Bada Bing
November 22, 2023 4:04 pm

Too many Masons are on the Board, to upset anyone in authority in Scottish football

timhorton
November 22, 2023 4:12 pm

IQ4
My question is……what are the youngsters doing….not playing football.

Just Sayin’
November 22, 2023 4:22 pm

Asking questions about one off incidents is a waste of time and appears to have received the glib and shameless response it merited. I haven’t heard the question or response.

The issue is the deployment of var week on week and the cumulative data produced game by game which can be shown to be harmful to the club.
What process/challenge has Celtic FC put in place to require clarification of these regular “mistakes” or omissions by var operators?

INIQUITOUS IV
November 22, 2023 4:36 pm

timhorton
IQ4
My question is……what are the youngsters doing….not playing football.
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Well, a lot of them are developing prehensile thumbs on their devices, by the look of it.

I was back in Glasgow a few weeks and went with a mate of mine to watch his 7 year old grandson play 4 X 15 minute games in a round robin on astroturf at Eastwood. Lots of kids on 8-10 small fields, with lots of parents watching and at least one coach per team.

Fair enough as far as it went, but some observations – too many kids were confused by the multitude of voices instructing them what to do. Secondly, many of the parents ( and some of the coaches ) had obviously no clue, so the kids were gaining nothing other than exercise.

Lastly, when we took the grandson home, he immediately became glued to his electronic device. So the kid got one hour of exercise on a dry Sunday, whereas you or I, and many old codgers on here, played for literally hours on end on streets or any piece of grass we could find. Ergo, the number of kids progressing through the ranks in fitba will inevitably decline.

Auldheid
November 22, 2023 5:19 pm

Would someone explain to me why it is not in Celtic’s interests in financial and supporter relationship terms not to challenge refereeing or VAR.

That makes no sense.

That leaves they have acted and got rubber eared and are powerless to bring about change.

Only the support can give them that power by seeking a boycott of fans of all SPFL clubs who refuse to watch a bent game.

Problem is that takes persuasion and organising and there is no Celtic supporter organisation to make it happen.

Dubaibhoy
November 22, 2023 5:25 pm

IQ4
Re: Uzbekistan – poverty is a great motivator. Also explains Uzbeks other major export.

INIQUITOUS IV
November 22, 2023 5:35 pm

Dubaibhoy
IQ4
Re: Uzbekistan – poverty is a great motivator. Also explains Uzbeks other major export.
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When I was there, it used to be carpets. Guess that’s changed, eh?😊

Leggy
November 22, 2023 5:48 pm

Great day out and met a couple of decent guys who were at the AGM.

One of them Chris from Coatbridge, posted long time ago on CQN as Johnny Doyle’s Shadow.

Some might know him
.

HH.💚💚💚

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KsbviFSJLgceA1sc6

Bada Bing
November 22, 2023 5:52 pm

Auldheid- we have had numerous occasions to call out the cheating, but never do.We could have done it recently, after winning games,always better than after a draw/defeat.You can’t win every battle, but we should have put down markers in the last year.We are standing back,watching the penalty pantomime every week now,as you say,look at what’s at stake for getting to CL next season, the referees have definitely had the Memo,will we wait until getting cheated on 30th December?