Ticket? Stick It!

Morning,all.

The papers and radio phone-ins have recently been dominated by the “news” that Celtic and R2ngers have got round the table to sort out the fiasco over ticketing at Glasgow derbies. Personally,I think this is a waste of time,as neither side will give an inch on their own preferred solution to the stalemate. 

The situation is simple. We saw our ticket allocation reduced from 7,500 which is effectively the whole of the Broomloan Stand. In fact,before they filled in the corners at Ibrox,the Broomloan Stand WAS our ticket allocation. We filled it every time,and bhoy did we take it over!

And they knew it. And that was the problem. R2ngers got so pissed off with us celebrating in style as we repeatedly hammered them in their ain midden that they decided to reduce our allocation to the same as they offered every other club. 700,stuck in a tiny little corner of the ground. Defenceless-and the club and the authorities knew it!

They knew it because,no matter which club that away support were there for,they made the same complaints. Being ambushed going in and out of the stadium. Having bags of piss or golf balls thrown at them. Coins too. And darts and even batteries. Ibrox is not a safe environment for away fans-hell,it’s hardly a safe environment for the home fans at times!-but there is safety in numbers. And Celtic are the only away support with the numbers to do that. 

The authorities knew damn fine well what the outcome would be for our fans,few in number and stuck in a corner. Worse-they insisted that we turned up two hours and more prior to kick-off for “safety” reasons. Safety,my arse. That was merely another two hours of being targeted. 

Celtic,of course,retaliated to this nonsense in the only way possible. They couldn’t complain to the SFA/SPFL as there is actually no set minimum on the number of tickets allocated to the away club,so they cut the numbers to the Ibrox club to the same number. How that mob howled! For some reason,they hadn’t considered this as even a possibility-which makes you wonder,even starting from a low base,just how stupid they can be.

Things got progressively worse with regards to safety when the cops found a large cache of weapons inside Ibrox just before a derby match. Celtic then decided that they had had enough,they declined any tickets for Ibrox on the grounds that the safety of our fans-before,during and after these matches-was seriously compromised. That the situation would continue until the original allocation of 7,500 was restored. That it was the only means of guaranteeing the safety of our fans. Rangers responded by telling Celtic that they wouldn’t be asking for tickets for any future games at Celtic Park-then changing their minds some time down the line and demanding tickets whether we took ours or not!

Celtic’s reply was swift. No tickets till the original allocations are restored. And that is how it remains. Yet the SMSM is running with the story that we are in talks which could see the clubs returning to the 700 allocations? I doubt that to be the case. My thoughts are that our rivals would like that situation to be reinstated,while the only reason we are even involved here is to repeat that the situation can only be resolved by returning to the status quo. 7,500 or nothing,take it or leave it. 

Yet there is a fly in the ointment,and quite possibly two of them. The possible one is that Sky are miffed because they don’t like the idea of the games being played before a fully partisan crowd of home supporters-as if 700 away fans makes the slightest difference. But that could be the lever which is being used on the SFA/SPFL to introduce mandatory away ticket allocations. This could be as low as 3% or 1500 at Ibrox and 1800 at Celtic Park. This increase in numbers is so small that Celtic will fight it every inch as it barely affects the safety problems that would be faced by us at Ibrox. And they will fight the proposal more,try to defeat it entirely,as our demand for 7,500 seats would mean a 15% minimum for ALL teams,which would severely impact on our ST sales. I mean,imagine having to hold back the sale of 9,000 seats at Celtic Park because we have a mandatory duty to offer them to fans of Ross County or Motherwell,etc,no offence to the fans of those teams who simply don’t have the numbers to come remotely close to that. 

So R2ngers aren’t in these otherwise meaningless talks to make headway on the ticket allocation between the clubs. They are doing so to force the SFA/SPFL into regulating,nothing more and nothing less. They are confident that were this the case,that the allocations would be set at 3%,then Celtic would still refuse to take them up on their kind offer to attend at Ibrox. Rightly so,as 1,500 is still too small a number to be safe. But they would absolutely demand their 1,800 for Celtic Park. 

Now,that raises another question or two. Will R2ngers demand their tickets because they know their fans will be safe? Or don’t they care? Or do they think their fans will,in fact,be safe because our fans are simply much better behaved than theirs? Or is the likely answer to be the really unpalatable one,that they KNOW their fans will be safe because they will be better protected by the police? 

Answers on a postcard to the usual address,etc…

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BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 18, 2024 12:09 am

Good news,folks! We’ve finally stopped the procrastinating and cleared the obstacles,so we can now proudly go ahead with The Sentinel Celts Charity Drive.

The plan is to nominate a charity which we can all donate to as and when each of us have funds available to do so. CHALMERSBHOY has already managed over £200 via the winners of his monthly £10 charity bet from the SC Naps Competition,and will continue to do this. We also have the three big racing festivals at Cheltenham,Aintree and Royal Ascot where we will ask for voluntary donations to enter.

I’ll accept nominations for the charity over the next two weeks. The plan is to rotate the chosen charity every six months. From Jan 25-31 I will list the nominated charities,and everyone who contributes to the site can vote on them,with the winner announced on Feb 1st.

I’ll start us off with MacMillan Cancer Support,who helped two close work colleagues and their families through the last months of their lives.

https://www.macmillan.org.uk/

The latest additions to the roster are Blood Cancer UK

https://bloodcancer.org.uk/

MS Society Scotland

https://www.mssociety.org.uk/get-involved/fundraise/stop-ms?&utm_campaign=2023M2005_8504&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA75itBhA6EiwAkho9eyEWeKSkxfBsfcFPR09DUwYRIuQZ2PW1jVmcCjsFStJ9t_hTYvgkphoCzPgQAvD_BwE

Scottish Charity Air Ambulance

https://www.scaa.org.uk/

Transverse Myelitis UK

https://www.brainandspine.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/BSF_Transverse-myelitis-A5-booklet.pdf

SCIAF

https://www.sciaf.org.uk/

The Halliday Foundation

https://thehallidayfoundation.org.uk/

St. Margaret’s Hospice

https://smh.org.uk/

If I have missed any which should be on the list,please let me know!

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 18, 2024 12:10 am

C’mon,folks. We all know you are a charitable bunch. What’s your favoured charity? This is your chance to nominate it here and provide a much-needed boost to its coffers over the next six months.

Just name the charity. No need to provide a link,I should hopefully be able to do that.

Leggy
January 18, 2024 6:58 am

Morning all,

Belmont Brian,

RIP Uncle Terry 🙏🙏

Bobby,
Could I nominate, The Halliday Foundation. My friend’s wife does fantastic work helping them out 👍

( The Halliday Foundation is a charity ran by passionate volunteers to help the homeless, less fortunate and struggling families in Glasgow and surrounding areas.)

Ps
The Shipbank Shipwrecks are leaving Davy Jones’s Locker for the day and meeting up on Friday 26th January, 12.00 Onwards.
Venue — Yes, first visit of the year to the Auld Shippy .
Old and new friends always welcome, but remember, no shitey jokes, as Big Jimmy and Belmont Brian have that very, very, very well covered 😂😂

See you there !!!!!

Just Sayin’
January 18, 2024 8:33 am

BMCUW

I think I read that the Huns are talking of relocating their blackshirt vermin to the opposite stand – in anticipation of a tickets breakthrough?

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 18, 2024 8:44 am

JUSTSAYIN

Now that you mention it,I’ve heard that rumour too. Interesting one.

Just Sayin’
January 18, 2024 8:46 am

I’m sure it was in the press before Christmas.

Immediate initial thought was mmmm!

McCaff
January 18, 2024 8:51 am

Just Sayin’…treat every comment from Ibrox with the contempt it deserves! They’re not philanthropists and everything is designed to benefit or suit THEM and no-one else!

Just Sayin’
January 18, 2024 8:56 am

McCaff

I do. Hence the mmmm.

Just Sayin’
January 18, 2024 8:58 am

Or I smell shite, if you prefer😀

Prestonpans bhoys
January 18, 2024 9:41 am

Just Sayin@8:33

The first time I read that was on Ibrox Noise then the SMSM stole it as a “exclusive ” 🙃

Creating a “singing area” at the other stand was the idea. They were approaching ST holders in the Copland and move the onion bears there too.

It could of course be a clandestine operation for ‘OF’ game allocations. If so they need to move the onion bears to escape any impasse on the ticket issue.

However since they don’t do joint up thinking what do they do with the displaced ST holders in the Copland to accommodate the onion bears 🤔. Move them to the other stand with a caveat that their seat doesn’t get a ‘OF’ seat, I can see them jumping up and down for that option 🫣🙄

SteveNaive
January 18, 2024 9:43 am

Ah, Old Firmism, that thing that holds us back.
Leave it.
Leave them.

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 18, 2024 9:48 am

STEVENAIVE

And there’s the rub,innit? They left us-when they kicked the bucket,fell off their perch,departed this mortal coil in 2012. And our big shots decided that we couldn’t do without them,and brought them back!

Even provided them with any number of Get Out Of Jail Free cards for future use,in the form of the 5WA. Which they have since twisted to mean that only the CAS has jurisdiction over them,and not the SFA/SPFL!

Tangled webs indeed…

JimDom
January 18, 2024 10:41 am

Should be the old allocation or nothing at all. Our suits need to read OUR room on this issue and ignore any outside noise.

I couldn’t give a whatsit what the SFA, SPFL, or Sky think. Or even former players, pundits, or the smsm in general. Glib and shameless was the instigator of this 750 allocation nonsense.

It’s R2ngers, the broadcasters, and the smsm that want to keep the Old Firm flame burning. Celtic should extinguish the flame. Should have done it in 2012 but DD and Lawwell thought otherwise. Not in Celtic’s interest, etc. Lawwell and a the 10 million quid comment.

Leave them behind Celtic, be the best we can be and the opportunity to play in a better league might just present itself at some point in the future. Our relationship with the Govan outfit is holding us back.

Leggy
January 18, 2024 11:19 am

Got to say, it is a very strange feeling at Celtic Park when there are no away fans at the Glasgow Derby.

Balance that against the far more friendly atmosphere and there’s the dilemma !!!!

I’ve got to admit, I’m a 90 minute bigot and love these games.

However, it’s the return to full away allocations for both teams or nothing

This ” Compromise” of 700 tickets is just an absolute joke.

Stand up the Celtic Board and listen to the fans, for ONCE !!!!!!!

CaltonTongues
January 18, 2024 11:25 am

Leggy,

Will we ever see this again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oETR-sbhrbU&ab_channel=H88PBH0Y

Full Allocation or Nothing!

HH

BelmontBrian63
January 18, 2024 11:43 am

Morning all.

I would like to thank everyone for their kind words on the passing of my uncle, Terry McGowan.

I have made aware the lovely comments to his immediate and extended family.

Again, many thanks.

Brian

Leggy
January 18, 2024 11:44 am

Calton Tongues,

Brilliant, and I can categorically say, ” That’s definitely not me !!!!

HH 🍀🍀

Billy Bhoy
January 18, 2024 12:26 pm

I agree wholeheartedly with every word of that Bobby. I hope our PLC do too.

This can be resolved fairly simply. We offer a ST for the visiting end that omits the 2 Glasgow Derbies. They could introduce the same ST offer. Job done!

I watched this shambles take shape over on FF over several years. It was raised at 2 AGMs and Dave King batted it away saying that the Police, SFA and SPFL wouldn’t allow it. Unfortunately, the FF crew got mobilised and militant and eventually DK relented. Currently they seem to be fairly evenly split. Some love it and some hate it. Many pine for a return to the old allocation particularly the ones who loved going to away games.

Personally, I’d rather not have any Huns at CP but if it has to happen then it needs to be the original allocation.

St tams
January 18, 2024 12:39 pm

BelmontBrian63
Condolences on the passing of your uncle Terry
RIP

Prestonpans bhoys
January 18, 2024 1:44 pm

Billy Bhoy
“This can be resolved fairly simply. We offer a ST for the visiting end that omits the 2 Glasgow Derbies. They could introduce the same ST offer. Job done”

That’s exactly what they need to do but has their board got the balls to do it, they bow to the bigots.

Just Sayin’
January 18, 2024 1:44 pm

P b 9.41am

Aye, the risk of unintended consequences, which the Ibrox moonhowlers, in their usual supremacist mindset, fail to consider.

Jobo Baldie
January 18, 2024 1:44 pm

Billy Bhoy at 12.26 – I have a vague understanding that we already have a number of season ticket holders in the former Rangers End who dont automatically have their 2 games included. The thinking being that theres always the possibility that they might get a larger allocation depending on negotiations between the 2 clubs. When Celtic decided not to offer any tickets to Sevco in December, didn’t those ‘restricted’ season ticket holders get first option to buy their seat for the game (for £56 or thereabouts)? Subsequently the few remaing seats then went in general sale.
In December when I read that Celtic were selling these tickets to our own fans for such a high price I immediately suggested that this was only supporting the same club myth and that the tickets should be priced the same as they are for all other league games. But somebody told me that wasnt actually fair on all of the ‘normal’ season ticket holders suggesting that the price of out ticket reflected the fact that the 2 Sevco games were included- I.e. that the Rangers End tickets were about £100 cheaper.
Might be rubbish mind you…

Madmitch
January 18, 2024 1:48 pm

BMCUW et al

Our friends in Govan — changes to the location of the Onion Bears to the East End of the ground.
Mentioned it two weeks ago — they had a press release boasting about adding 600 seats to Copeland Rd stand.

They talk about some sort of cantilever extension being added to the top half of the stand.
But they are removing five rows in the bottom half to make a new area of wheelchair accessible seating.

Interesting to see what they come up with — their 1970’s era stands are pretty basic / post and beam roof / bus shelter spec units.
However God luvs a trier and they are doing all they can to try and wring the cloth dry regarding the support pound.

One area of hospitality has been re-done to pack more in and now they are putting the Onion Bears in the east.

Given the prevailing winds the stench of Old Spice from their current position must be affecting the Main Stand.
Next up they will be given a new large scale monitor and standing section in Car Park.

If only our execs put in half the effort they do to improve the matchday experience we would be making progress.
However we are fat and happy and they are financially challenged — aka desperate.

*****
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Apologies — it is seemingly 1000 new seats added with 400 old seats removed.
Allegedly we can trust the “extra 600 seats” headline.

One further point — the new seats — I wonder what like the sightlines will be?
Given the visibility issues with SDM’s financial masterpiece of the “Top Deck” they may have issues so buyer beware.
Space is very tight and 6 new rows squeezed in between the front and rear sections seems a lot.
Plus the Onion Bears on their hind legs for the whole game — sightlines could get messy.

Jobo Baldie
January 18, 2024 2:53 pm

Madmitch at 1.48
Thanks for avoiding abbreviations which led to me reading your full post and gaining a better understanding. I’m sure I wont be your only ‘new reader’ gained today.

Craig 76
January 18, 2024 3:30 pm

Better than playing in the B team

Mackenzie Carse has joined Scottish Championship side Queens Park on loan until the end of the season.

Best of luck for the rest of the campaign Kenzie 🙌

Prestonpans bhoys
January 18, 2024 3:51 pm

Craig76
Correct, we should be loaning out to more Scottish clubs, preferably in the top league where they can play against the huns. Moreover the rules say they can’t play against us, what’s not to like 👍

Billy Bhoy
January 18, 2024 4:03 pm

Madmitch

Your latest post has just reminded me of a Celtic v Falkirk LC game I attended at Ibrox in the 90s. I was seated at the far right end of the club deck. If I looked straight ahead I was staring at the gable end of the Copeland Rd stand. I couldnt see the whole pitch as i had no visibility of the corner flag where the Copeland / Govan stand met. It pisses me off to hear the Huns bleat that we stick them in a corner!
Absolute jokers!

Madmitch
January 18, 2024 4:26 pm

BB @ 4.03

Club Deck sightlines — they had to move the pitch 5/6m north after they opened it.
On top of the issue you mention — which I did not know about / real schoolboy howler — they couldn’t see the nearside touchline.
Anything happening in that area and everybody had to stand up — not quite the premium seating that was advertised.

Plus you have the financial gymnastics / interesting build economics.
It seemingly took them two attempts to get the steel sourced from MIM.
Networked organisation that they were.

Other issue in play — do we have any structure / player pathway in motion for the youths?
All looks very haphazard to the point of being a working definition for a dog’s breakfast.

We seem to have a U18’s playing in a SPL U18 league.
We have a EUFA U19 team for the games against our Euro opponents.
We seem to have an U20 team playing in the Lowland League — 2004s and 2005s mostly.
After that there are a few 2003s still active with us — DM for one — and a few out on loan.

Plus there was talk chat about using an Austrian team to develop certain players — 2 out there at the moment?
And now we appear to be putting 1st team squad members out on loan to the SPL.

Everything else would appear to be a black hole.
No grand plan readily apparent to show that we have a dynamic / active / productive youth pathway.

Other issues — results and NT exposure.
U18s — 2021/22 I think — had a mare in their league.
The B Team is mid table along way behind their Hertz contemporaries.
We would now appear to be pushing our front rank 2004s out on loan rather than continue with the B Team.

All looks very unsettled.
Very little to show for it in the 1st Team squad.
Plus we seem to lose the good / potentially great as soon as they can sign for someone else.
BD could be a continuing sore point for decades to come.

The whole situation desperately needs gutted from top to bottom.

Craig 76
January 18, 2024 4:40 pm

Neil Lennon’s son joins Dumbarton on loan and could make his debut against the Huns on Saturday

Craig 76
January 18, 2024 4:45 pm
ASWGL
January 18, 2024 5:26 pm

Good leader Bobby how they conveniently forget they took the hump and started this sh*t because we kept winning at their (big hooose) a.k.a Dump.

F*ck me, the bulk of them even forget their club died in 2012.

NeverLetThemForgetCSC

HH

ASWGL
January 18, 2024 5:27 pm

Leggy

Bobby,
Could I nominate, The Halliday Foundation. My friend’s wife does fantastic work helping them out

—————–

As long as it’s noa Andy Halliday … Leggy 😜

Craig 76
January 18, 2024 5:40 pm
AweNaw
January 18, 2024 5:42 pm

https://withkids.org.uk/

East end of Glasgow charity for kids.

ASWGL
January 18, 2024 5:53 pm

Vasilis Barkas has revealed he would advise any keeper not to sign for his former club Celtic.

You tell em spaghetti arms !!!

Madmitch
January 18, 2024 6:15 pm

ASWGL @ 5.53

The GK’ing travails of VB — what did he say?
Why would he not recommend us — anything we can learn from?

2020/21 should keep NL in punditry for a very long time.

AweNaw
January 18, 2024 6:18 pm

Dave King insists Rangers will stick by decision to slash Celtic’s ticket allocation for Old Firm derbies
By Mark Wilson For The Scottish Daily Mail
00:24 28 Nov 2018, updated 00:24 28 Nov 2018

Dave King insists there is no chance of Rangers reversing the decision to slash Celtic’s ticket allocation for Old Firm games.

The Ibrox club announced earlier this year that they would give their rivals just 800 seats for the December 29 derby – down from around 7,000 – after a spike in season-ticket demand following Steven Gerrard’s appointment as manager.

Celtic responded with a tit-for-tat reduction for the September 2 meeting at their ground, with manager Brendan Rodgers claiming recently that a smaller number of away fans had damaged the Old Firm ‘spectacle’.

Parkhead chief executive Peter Lawwell has also stated Celtic could refuse their allocation for next month’s game if they felt there were safety concerns, but King has made it clear Rangers will be sticking by the new arrangement.

Responding to a question from a shareholder at Wednesday’s AGM at the Clyde Auditorium, the Ibrox chairman said: ‘I can give you absolute assurance that the board has no intention of reversing that decision.’

Rangers managing director Stewart Robertson also gave his take on another aspect of the Old Firm row by insisting Celtic’s players had a ‘responsibility’ to behave appropriately during and after derby matches.

An unnamed senior police officer was quoted in an internal memo stating that the lap of honour the Parkhead squad took after their 1-0 win in September had a ‘clear link’ with the ‘subsequent response of the Rangers fans’. Unable to leave Celtic Park at that point, some in the visiting support surged forward in anger.

Another police report, published following a Freedom of Information request, claimed: ‘Celtic players did a lap of the pitch before stopping in front of the Rangers supporters and celebrating which incensed the Rangers supporters. Public order officers intervened to prevent disorder and them entering the pitch.’

Rodgers has defended his players, insisting it is ‘unfair’ for them to be blamed for the actions of another club’s fans.

But Robertson told the Rangers AGM: ‘Players have a responsibility to be very careful about their actions during games and after games.

‘Every action can have a reaction, as we saw that day. We just can’t have a repeat of that and players have to be very conscious of what they are doing, whether it be celebrations or other actions.

‘We would hope we don’t see any repeat of that at all, anywhere.’

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/16249683.celtic-rangers-ticket-allocations-old-firm-matches-cut-next-season/

Mike in Toronto
January 18, 2024 6:20 pm

BMCUWP

do you really believe that the two clubs are adverse? They clearly work together on just about everything. If Celtic didn’t agree with the cut, they could have and would have taken steps with the league to address the issue. But they didn’t. Similarly, if Sevco had been unhappy with the situation, they would have done something. But they didnt …. but both clubs are happy to spill to their favoured media outlets and/or blogs that they are unhappy …. because it feeds they lie that they are adverse, and keeps the fans enraged and engaged….which is how the clubs keep the money flowing in.

The opposition between the two clubs is about as real as the blood fued between the Sharks and the Jets … or Alexa vs. Krystal on Dynasty ….or Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant ….

there’s a mental image for you …

Peter Lawwell and James Bisgrove in ballet tights and leather jackets, dancing around the streets of Glasgow singing ‘things will be bright in the EPL… it will all be alright in the EPL… (sung, of course, in a weird Glaswegian / New York/ Puerto Rican accent)

or Peter and James in ball gowns having a catfight in a fountain …

or (and this might be the most distressing)…

Peter( in a yellow Hulk Hogan style speedo) having a cage match with James in an AtG style black leotard

🙂

ASWGL
January 18, 2024 6:34 pm

MM
Vasilis Barkas has revealed he would advise any keeper not to sign for his former club Celtic.

The Greek shot-stopper was voted Player of the Month for the Eredivisie after a string of impressive displays for Utrecht, the club he joined last summer after making a loan move permanent.

Barkas will go down as one of the Hoops’ most disastrous signings after Celtic released him and he ended up costing the club £281,000 per league game after they signed him from AEK Athens for £4.5 million.
although he believes there were mitigating circumstances for the move not working out, he admitted he wouldn’t sell the club to any keeper.

Barkas said: “At Celtic, I didn’t feel like I was an important part of the team.
“But maybe it wasn’t even the team’s fault. It was a Covid year, everything was different.
“For the first six months I didn’t know my teammates, we were all in different dressing rooms.

“Celtic are a huge club, but I wouldn’t recommend to any goalkeeper to go there.”

AweNaw
January 18, 2024 6:35 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/02/celtic-rangers-scottish-premiership-match-report

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45390267

This was Gerrards first Derby when thems rocked up at Celtic park 13 games unbeaten.

It proved conclusively that John Beaton is a cheating bastard ordained by the lodge to carry out their wishes. It also explains why Willie Collum is to this day still being targeted.

That we said nothing and Beaton has continued favouring the huns for another 5 years says all you need to know about our club.

Drew67
January 18, 2024 6:41 pm

I’l nominate St Margarets Hospice.thanks

Auldheid
January 18, 2024 6:56 pm

Update on Man City hearing.

Premier League chief executive Richard Masters says a date has been set for the hearing into Manchester City’s alleged breaches of financial rules.

But, speaking in front of MPs, Masters said he could not reveal the date.

Everton, already appealing against a 10-point deduction for a previous charge, and Nottingham Forest were charged for breaching league profit and sustainability rules on Monday.

Masters said he understood why both clubs’ fans might be frustrated.

“I can [understand] but they are very different charges,” he told the Culture, Media and Sport (CMS) committee.

“If any club, the current champions or otherwise, had been found in breach of the spending rules, they would be in exactly the same position as Everton or Nottingham Forest.

“But the volume and character of the charges laid before Manchester City, which I obviously cannot talk about at all, are being heard in a completely different environment.

“There is a date set for that proceeding. Unfortunately, I can’t tell you when that is but it is progressing.”

Premier League champions City were charged with more than 100 breaches in February 2023 but are yet to face a hearing.

Everton were handed a 10-point deduction in November, having been referred to an independent commission in March.

Manchester City charged with breaking financial rules by Premier League
Everton receive immediate 10-point deduction for financial rules breach
Everton and Nottingham Forest charged with breaking financial rules
City’s charges related to a nine-year time frame from 2009. Since 2009, they have won the top flight seven times, but are facing potential relegation and having titles taken away if the case against them is proven.

They were also charged with failing to co-operate since the Premier League launched its investigation in 2018.

There have been reports the case will be heard at the end of this year, although this has not been confirmed by the Premier League and it seems unlikely there will be a verdict until 2025.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67993371?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Croftcelt
January 18, 2024 6:58 pm

Regarding MM’s point about the lack of a development pathway from the Celtic Academy, it might be noted that both Liam Morrison and Barry Hepburn who joined Bayern Munich are now out on loan. The fact that these are to teams that could just as easily been have arranged with Celtic, could bring into question whether there is such an obvious pathway available with other other teams in other leagues. In fact, it could be argued that they might have been nearer first team football had they remained with Celtic

Auldheid
January 18, 2024 7:16 pm

Mike in Toronto
BMCUWP

do you really believe that the two clubs are adverse?

==============
All the evidence points to a co dependent relationship.

: a psychological condition or a relationship in which a person manifesting low self-esteem and a strong desire for approval has an unhealthy attachment to another often controlling or manipulative person (such as a person with an addiction to alcohol or drugs)
broadly : dependence on the needs of or on control by another

Rebus67
January 18, 2024 7:16 pm

I wonder if Tommy Conway of Bristol City is on our radar as a striker. Valued 2.5 million euros and still only 21.

He scored against W. Ham and has a total of 6 goals in 20 games with a mid-table team. He has 18 months to run on his contract.

His team, Bristol City have had two consecutive years of serious losses and might be reasonable to deal with.

He would be a developing player but one of little risk because he will have some sell-on value.

Rebus

Mike in Toronto
January 18, 2024 7:38 pm

Auldheid

My post was half serious/half in jest (you can decide which part you put PL in a tutu into)….

as we have discussed before, most sports leagues are by nature, and in most cases by law, anti-competitive …. because, unlike Coke which does not require Pepsi to exist, 1 sports team cannot exist without at least one other team to play against …. so, the existence of football teams requires some degree of collusion with another …. and, in NA sports, where there is no relegation, the issue of anti-trust is even greater ….

but then some pro sports take the collusion thing to another level …. some MLB teams were found to have colluded by agreeing to not pay over certain amounts for players … thereby artificially and illegally capping players wages …. of course, things went badly when some of the owners reneged on their illegal agreements and started paying more for players …. and of course other owners cried foul ….. ‘those other owners aren’t cheating properly!” …. and these are billionaires!

yet, somehow it seems to work … even with anti-trust and collusion, the past 25 years or so has seen I think 14 different teams win the World Series ….

compare this to football in Scotland’s case …. the Scottish league is basically rigged so that one two teams have any chance of winning… and those two seem to vote as a bloc …. yes, I used the Eastern Bloc spelling because the OF is about as sporting as the old Red Army hockey team … as soon as any promising soviet hockey player was scouted, he was automatically drafted into his compulsory military service…. which was spend playing for the Red Army hockey team …. which ensure that they always had the best players, and being the symbol of soviet supremacy, were known for getting all the calls on the ice ….

funny enough, in spite of all these advantages, the Red Army team only won 32 of the 46 leagues during their time …

while in Scotland, the Old Firm have won 42 of the last 46 SPFL titles …. suggesting even greater hegemony in Scottish football than under the old Soviet days!

🙂

INIQUITOUS IV
January 18, 2024 8:13 pm

Barca score a couple of real belters to go 1-3 up in Copa Del Rey.

AweNaw
January 18, 2024 8:24 pm

RANGERS’ long-running dispute with a kit supplier will rumble on until next summer.

At the Court of Session, lawyers acting for the club and Elite Sports Group Ltd told Judge Lord Braid they will need eight days for a hearing.

Rangers’ dispute with Elite Sport will continue to next year
Hummel provided Rangers kits between 2018 and 2020
Expert reports submitted to the court require to be adjusted and work is underway to resolve this.

This is the latest instalment in a complicated legal saga involving the Ibrox club and three separate sportswear firms.

Court papers last year confirmed that Rangers were being sued for £9.5million after they entered into a contract with Elite in September 2018 to wear strips made by its brand partner, Danish giants Hummel.

During a short hearing, David Thomson KC, who is representing Elite, who are taking the action over lost sales told the court: “The likely estimate is that this case will take eight days to complete.”

At the first hearing last November Judge Lord Braid was told Elite was to sell replica kits and other items online and at stores in Glasgow and Belfast.

But weeks later a judge in London ruled the deal breached one with Sports Direct and Rangers “couldn’t perform” it.

They then linked up in October 2020 with their current supplier Castore.

Lord Braid said “I will allow four weeks for adjustments and set a further hearing to take place in December.

“I am prepared for dates to be set provided the hearing takes place before August.”

The case will call again on December 21.
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So after this the huns were instructed to give Elite’s lawyers official documented access to their kit sales. I wonder if you can deduce from the accounts how much the huns made and if the 9m damage claim is realistic

A few points to bear in mind.

The four bears lost all previous cases with regards Sports Direct.

Disgraced King is only in the background as a shareholder now due entirely to being disgraced

James Blair who negotiated the Elite deal resigned a week after the above court case.

The huns won nothing in court related to their kit deal. They lost. A slam dunk.

Therefore it would be incredulous if they were to win this case based on what we already know, the reputation of those involved and what has been decided upon by the courts already with regards the Sports Direct deal. Is this another slam dunk ? Personally I can’t see it not being.

My question is; Is the 9.5m claim accurate?

The case will be heard in August. That’s around the time the huns if they finish second will be involved in CL qualification.

Now in the hun accounts up until June 2023 officially lodged with companies house last week it states

Contingent Liabilities

During the year under review,a claim was raised by Elite Sports Group Ltd. against the club in respect to previous contracts. Elite went into administration and have appointed administrators. The administrators are now pursuing the claim and defence has been lodged by the club. Having taken independent legal and expert advice, the board is satisfied that no provision is required in the financial statements

So how does FSR handle such discrepancies ?

And shouldn’t this be UEFA approved?