Quids in

No this isn’t an article about Craig White, the Motherwell born ‘billionaire’ who had the smarts to scrub clean his online presence before a high profile yet very modest purchase, who recorded everything with a James Bond style pen., and who borrowed against the club to buy it ala the Glazers.
This article isn’t even about Celtic, though it could be.
It’s about ingenuity and togetherness, the concerned supporters two best friends.

 

The ingenuity involved is comically simple. Let’s just disrupt the game with a portable yet cheap object. A tennis ball fits the bill perfectly.
Not only that, extending the game for ten minutes or so made television schedules unworkable, after all no one wants the News at Ten to take over their screen when there’s ten minutes left to play. The broadcasters were placed in a position were they might have squandered a lot of money, and left constantly embarrassed by games overrunning.

 

The unity involved is more complex, but not necessarily rocket science. Not only would the supporters be asked to bring their own, but said weapons of manipulation destruction were available outside the stadium to purchase by united supporters groups acting in unison for the common goal. Over a short period it took a quid a game from all attendees to force a controversial decision to be scrapped.

 

I look at this humble, successful protest and smile. Yet I could weep when I realize we as a fanbase are still incaple of such simple yet effective unity of cause. Reading into the situation, German clubs various supporter groups had a meeting and decided the course of action, all the support then joined in recognizing the justness of the cause and putting ten minutes and a quid over the regular matchday. The game or the club first, act today for a better tomorrow.

 

Right now we are incapable of such unity, a blog in itself. Disrupting the game wouldn’t be universally popular (the Irish traveling contingent are on a tight schedule with the ferry home), and for all I know hawking tennis balls at the stadium would get one charged or banned or both. Putting that aside, if a much more simpler form of protest was requested such as raise a red card to the board on 67 minutes, the Board would veto the Green Brigade or any other group from prematch entry to facilitate, and only a handful outside the groups would produce their own.
Throw in the barriers that emerge during strife and its almost as if organized protest is unwanted, nae discouraged.
In German football the fan wields power, in Scotland its the opposite despite having more bodies through the turnstiles per capita. It’s much easier to divide and conquer when there’s already divisions (historical and cultural) to exploit, much more the case in Alba than Germania.

 

It’s good to know I’m not alone in my concerns or desires for more supporter action, a couple of meetings are scheduled of folk who don’t usually come together. I don’t call for boycotts anymore, but some outside the box thinking is required alongside zero agendas, another blog in itself.

 

But fact remains, tennis balls defeated corporate. A quid each was the difference.
Our struggle with the boardroom shall rumble on, but a wee ball alongside a wee bit of sacrifice forced decisions elsewhere.

 

Please take that lesson onboard. This isn’t about money, we aren’t gonna buy out a billionaire nor slowly gather enough shares to truly bug him. In fairness its an actual plan, better than no plan usually.

 

Please note that others once crossed the Rubicon from supporter to activist with success. Please note it worked, there was zero guarantee Fergus was a saviour of sorts being a businessman, just like chucking balls on the field never guaranteed any outcome, but there was always a chance. Fortune favoured the brave on both occasions.

 

Tomorrow we face Motherwell, none of us should fear going to Fir Park, but here we are, worried about the mighty ‘Well.
If that’s not a signal, I don’t know what is.

 

Still, I’m determined not to let this tale pass me by without taking some lessons onboard. I keep returning to a single quid making the difference. If the Trust canvassed every single matchday goer for a quid per game, that quickly adds up to a significant amount.
If I begged YOU for a quid a match for a better tomorrow, that’s another lump per annum. Whether for a fighting fund to go legal, whether to buy shares, or both,,saving up in order to speak up is a idea, and ideas are the best we’ve got without a surefire route to bring about change.
They say the pen is mightier than the sword, well I just watched the humble quid defeat mega money.
We aren’t quids in yet, but we could be.
The Germans were, precedent has been set.

 

By Mahe

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Mahe
February 23, 2024 11:58 pm

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February 24, 2024 12:00 am

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Gordon64
February 24, 2024 1:06 am

There is sufficient evidence of negligence to argue that the Board of Celtic FC are not acting in the best interests of the club and must therefore stand down ! HH

Gordon64
February 24, 2024 1:25 am

Gordon64
February 24, 2024 1:45 am

Gordon64
February 24, 2024 2:01 am

Fred Hampton executed aged 21

Puff puff
February 24, 2024 2:12 am

Hey Gordon you talking about the black activist
Freddy Hampton?

Puff puff
February 24, 2024 2:13 am

Got it 👍

Gordon64
February 24, 2024 2:16 am

Death toll of Palestinians in the Israeli genocide in Gaza approaching 30,000 human beings 🙏🙏🙏

Gordon64
February 24, 2024 2:37 am

Chairbhoy
February 24, 2024 5:42 am

Good Morning Sentinels – Grand Day To Be A Tim…

Mahe @ 11:53 pm,

The supporters are totally impotent as a force in Celtic at the moment, we must look at the current situation which is out of our control and check out what is the best short term outcome

With all due respect we must identify the stark challenges and issues facing us.

DD wining the schism is our best bet.

BMCUWPS’ wrote a great article yesterday, which I didn’t directly comment on.

The reason – the scattergun approach where the world and his wife gets it.

On the list and first out the door, our Manager, who BMCUWPS didn’t want in the first place.

Well let’s digress, what is “Spurs news” current thoughts on Ange.!?

𝐈𝐬 𝐀𝐧𝐠𝐞 𝐛𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨𝐨 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐝𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞? 🤔

With no change in tactics, is it becoming easily predictable for the opposition?

I, for one, was loving the way we played when Ange first arrived. But watching Spurs now even I can see what pass is going to be played or what run will be made. 📚

We constantly hold a high line. It worked well in the past, but now teams are realising this. The most recent games being Brentford, Brighton, and Wolves. We got caught on the counter numerous times, and let’s be honest, we should have conceeded more… 👀💯

We have conceeded 18% of our goals through set pieces and have only kept 𝐅𝐈𝐕𝐄 (5) clean sheets this season, which equates to only 20% 🔻

We average 15.8 shots per game but ONLY 5.9 on target.🎯

On average, we score 2.1 goals per game yet 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐞𝐝 𝟏.𝟓. Reading between the lines conceding the amount of goals we do will obviously result in fewer wins. 🤷‍♂️

For Ange to say “this is who we are” seems a bit naive to the fact that conceding the amount we have (and continue to do) will only result in more dropped points. Teams are capitalising on how predictable we are, its clear to see.😣

Sound familiar!?

We know what the problem is at Celtic, it is Peter Lawwell and his coterie…

Ten years living high in the hog, while our Club treaded water, waiting for the old firm re-establishing itself.

Forget DD, he’s not our target

Forget BR, he’s not our target

SC twenty months ago their eye off the target – PL, as soon as his son rocked up as Head of Recruitment alarm bells should have been ringing.

You fellahs seem to have forgotten your birth right…

Remove Peter Lawwell and his coterie and his dark arts and without doing a single other thing the club improves x 💯

Is the executive fit for purpose? Well they did “OK” under Ange so let’s review down the line.

Has Brendan Rodger’s still got it? Well he inspired a quadruple treble and is still our best bet in Europe, don’t forget it was PL’s toxic dark arts that first drove him away, then character assassinated him, so let’s review down the line.

The Lennoxtown set-up and staff, very mixed performances, let’s go forward with what we have and review down the line.

We are in a current crisis…

Getting shot of a huge millstone around our neck is the equivalent of a fantastic gain.

We know from 2022/23, the basic infrastructure and set up, unhindered by big Pedro and the dark arts, can function, can beat Sevco, can compete in Europe.

Of course I talked about clearing the Augean Stables, yet, to mix metaphors, let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.

It was always interesting that DD throw BR into the mix last summer – putting out the fire with gasoline!?

PL and his coterie need to go, we stop the rot and have time to review and rebuild.

Aff Oot

Hail Hail

Big Audio Dynamite
February 24, 2024 7:00 am

It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice. Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government. Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? So! take away that shining bauble there, and lock the doors, in the name of god, go!! –

Oliver Cromwell realises the Celtic board aren’t fit for purpose …😊

Pitymevin
February 24, 2024 7:02 am

Morning CB, to take one negative post about Ange seems a wee bit disingenuous. We all know, every last one of us, that the football we watched under the big man was exactly what we want to see. Fast. Free flowing football, where the players walk off that pitch having expelled every ounce of energy.

Spurs sit 5th in the EPL and we sit second in the SPFL. I now watch spurs a lot and still enjoy the football the big man puts on show. I recently fell asleep during a celtic game ( and that’s not a lie)

Your bang on with regards to PL, and I said the minute his boy walked through the door ( the game was up)

If I’m being honest, I think we are stuck with what we have and all the wailing & gnashing of teeth won’t change a thing.

Football is dead, we support a company and companies first priority is to make money, I just don’t understand why we didn’t take the opportunity to kill our nearest competitors. The PLC should have bought the Huns. Wound it up and in 30/40 years time the grandchildren of their supporters would have had nowhere else to go.

Crumble dome would have made a great car park for the airport. Or even sold for flats. Good access to the underground and motorways, but the bigot £ won.

A Thing Of Beauty
February 24, 2024 7:02 am

Thanks for the comments guys. I’m not a super Brain like a lot on here are but I’m smart enough to know when something smells off. I spoke before about how no one will ever convince me that we cheated this season. It’s very hard for me to swallow that. Others like mags and MIT have spoken about paying into a corrupt game and I’ve always been able to argue that was circumstances and establishment doings. Not now. It’s there in plain sight now.
Chairbhoy 542,
I agree with you. When this season ends we need a clear out but we should not get rid of BR. He’s as much a victim in this as the rest of the support. There’s no way he came back to coach the level of player he’s been given. The fact that he keeps saying it is not helping but why should he be the fall guy for another man’s mendacity.

A Thing Of Beauty
February 24, 2024 7:06 am

Football is dead, we support a company and companies first priority is to make money,
Spot on Pitymenevin. That’s exactly what we are doing. At least the Huns support a football team, striving to put the best players they can on the park. Can we say the same?
Also who and when is someone or some people going to fall on their sword over this. As I keep saying, this sort of incompetence wouldn’t last in any other of DD’s companies so why is it ok at Celtic?

Big Audio Dynamite
February 24, 2024 7:45 am

PMV,

In all this time the idea of buying the Huns didn’t occur to me.

Now that would’ve been fun.

Good stuff! 👏

Pitymevin
February 24, 2024 8:05 am

BAD is this not what business’s do, when a competitor is in trouble they move in and clean up the assets.

I’m sure I was told at the time, some shite about social unrest. This is not our problem, this is a problem for the police and justice system. Fuck me what am I saying £100 million paid out because from our world leading justice system, and the paper’s report about the SNP and a camper van.

Maybe, just maybe the money in the bank is for the backhanders need to enter the super league, I can’t imagine that the people at the top of that scheme Will sell their souls for anything less than £5 million each.

The Gombeen Man
February 24, 2024 8:48 am

Thanks Mahe,

It was Dermot Desmond, JP McManus and John Magnier who sold their shares in Manchester United to Malcolm Glazier.

That was after the abuse that JP and John Magnier took from United supporters after the fallout with Ferguson over the rights to the Rock of Gibraltar. JP and Magnier had questioned financial practices at United, especially agent fees.

Be careful what you wish for.

United have paid the Glazer family millions over the years.

The now have the dubious king of fracking owning 25% of the club and the discredited guru of British cycling working on sports development.

The Bundesliga desperately need money according to their own reports.
That’s why they attempted to sell a percentage of their media rights to US Equity Funds.

It’s so easy to get into a mess financially as a football club.

Our near liquidation and subsequent share issues testify to that.

BAD,

On reflection I think that the mention of England in yesterday’s report might be an oblique reference to where we tried to sign players in the January Window.

You mention that you hardly recognise the club.

This is the same club that forced Tommy out the door despite the cheating at Ibrox. That Billy McNeill walked out off to Manchester City due to his salary and the sale of players. That unceremoniously dropped big Jock and offered him a role in the Pools Office (?)

Liam Brady, John Barnes, Kenny Dalglish, Jock Brown.

The CBC.

Near liquidation. The wilderness years. Willie Marley’s row over who paid the tax on his leaving gift

The Limited Company in 1897.

Even Michael Davitt is honoured by the Jewish Society of Ireland for his support of Zionism.

– Michael couldn’t have predicted the where that support would lead.

Even the choice of the song Grace last week. Few remember how Grace was treated post-1916. How she died alone in her apartment and wasn’t found for a week. How she had to sue Joseph’s family. The gossip campaign against her. How she cut a lonely figure wandering about Dublin. How she had to fight for a pension from the State.

Myths about the club being set up to support the unemployed.

Even the Marist Brothers are now exposed as an organisation with a dreadful past in terms of the abuse of children and the cover-up of crime.

It’s amazing how our perception of the past doesn’t allows reflect reality.

Myths every bit as deceptive as the 54 titles for a pound.

Chairbhoy,

It’s positive to see you offer a conciliatory note this morning.

Till later.

Big Audio Dynamite
February 24, 2024 8:53 am

Vin,

They have become so transparent and simply feel they don’t have to try too hard ..they know we are not a threat to their control of the club.

From the pathetic attempts to explain our lack of activity in the transfer market, to the promises of the board getting emptied, they are not just full of shit, they are literally talking to us like it’s a chore! Was this week not oh so predictable??

Peter – Do we need to talk to them again!?

Dermot – Aye, better throw them a bone …show them the bank book again ..

Or get wee Roger to tell them we’re gonna play musical chairs soon.

Peter – Genius, DD!

Bawheid
February 24, 2024 9:29 am

Where is the John Keane’s – Fergus McCann’s – Willie Haughey’s – and the Michael McDonalds?
They fought for the very existence of the club.
“The Battle Was Over, The Rebels Had Won”.

Back then the club we love was heading towards bankruptcy, 24 hours from Tulsa.
John Keane was the very essence of Celtic, if you cut him open you would see the word Celtic in his DNA his love for the club was profound.
Fergus McCann – That awkward wee man with the big ideas, understated and under estimated, he too had Celtic in his heart.
Willie Haughey – Another life – long Celtic supporter, back then did he know how his life would change, City Refridgeration, how cool is that? Jinky, forever in his debt. He became a non executive director, it was said that he was pivotal to the success of the takeover
Michael McDonald – The man in the background but who non the less thought about nothing but the clubs success.

Even after the club takeover they began fighting like cats in a sack, its what happens when ego’s become entrenched.
That was then and now is the present. “How can we compare thee to a summers day?”

Big Audio Dynamite
February 24, 2024 9:43 am

TGM,

What’s that old saying about love being blind?

I’m sure they will claim they were doing everything they could to get the quality players the manager repeatedly said we NEEDED.

Problem is ..I don’t believe a word that comes out any of their mouths.

Once the club went along with Scottish football’s dirty little secret, there was no way I was ever going to be able to view it the same anymore. Not much comes close to being as sickening as finding out who we’re in bed with!

Charging the Celtic fans £50 to see us play ghosts, was always going to cause some to walk away. How we treated their demise and our fans was -and still is- utterly shameful. if that doesn’t show how they view us, I don’t know what does.

They also would have know plenty would be unhappy at that and more than likely see thousands give up the game. It looks to me like they couldn’t care less about that fact.

If going along with the lies is more important than your own fans, wtf does that say about the club we have become? Who even are we anymore!?

How we feel should be priority no1 for the club, no? but it looks like it’s not something they give a shit about. One of our own, a fan of the club for decades, asked a couple of questions about our direction of travel – he didn’t even get the courtesy of a reply!

This is why I keep saying that this is about much more than just football or money, as it makes zero sense to treat your own this way.

It’s blindingly obvious they don’t care what we think, or how we might feel.

Anyway …

I just feel little connection with the club now, and certainly have NOTHING in common with those who are in control of it.
The real kick in the giblets though, is the fact no one will even blink an eye at my leaving!I

I try to talk about this without it always turning into a rant …I usually fail miserably.

AweNaw
February 24, 2024 10:00 am

TGM

Are you a shareholder in Celtic?

St tams
February 24, 2024 10:01 am

ATOB , from last night 👏👏🍀

Pitymevin
February 24, 2024 10:20 am

BAD, have you ever thought that this is exactly what they want. People of a certain age and mindset to just go and leave the game.

It’s the entertainment industry same as WWE and sometimes the baddies have to win.

It’s a farce, from top to bottom. From the SFA down.

The refs are bent and now VAR is the new cheat.

Did no one watch the World Cup. Messi had to win it, by hook or by crook. He’s like big daddy of the football world and just for clarity he couldn’t lace Diego’s puma’s

Games fucked

ernie lych
February 24, 2024 10:26 am

Chairbhoy
Good Morning Sentinels – Grand Day To Be A Tim…

Mahe @ 11:53 pm,

‘The supporters are totally impotent as a force in Celtic at the moment’

###

Only because they chose to emasculate themselves by renewing their season books.

Pay in advance for a product and then complain you’ve no say in how things are run? Not a particularly smart strategy, is it?

Big Audio Dynamite
February 24, 2024 10:45 am

The Gombeen man,

Even the stories of legends leaving under varying circumstances seems suspicious now.

Tommy Burns being forced out the club? it never stopped him coming back for more, eh? Going from being the manager of the club to just one of the coaches …that doesn’t happen a lot.

And big Billy feeling like he had no choice but to swap Celtic for City? Thankfully he also decided he wasn’t that hurt by his treatment that he couldn’t put it aside for the opportunity to put himself in exactly the same situation again with the same people.

And although I was too young for Jock’s time, I would imagine some, maybe most, were calling for a change due to the Huns winning two trebles in 76 + 78? Maybe the fans felt the magic was gone? And was there ever a time when the big man turned on the club?

Add in the fact I was young and probably wasn’t questioning things to deeply, and it’s not hard to see how I find myself here a few decades down the road.

I will ALWAYS be a Tim 💚 But as far as financially propping up the game in Scotland goes, I really don’t want to contribute one more single penny.

Like I’ve said a few times now though – no one at the club seems to care about those who have been sickened and have walked away from the game.

How many fans has Scottish football lost because of the decision to ask us to live in football’s equivalent of reality tv? When the lies are more important than our own fans, what does that say about us as a club!?

Anyway, I’m just repeating myself now …

I hope you’re good HH. 🍀

Big Audio Dynamite
February 24, 2024 10:54 am

Vin,

100% correct, mate.

Auldheid
February 24, 2024 11:03 am

Mahe

I can see the Daily Record headline

Celtic Balls Up Again.

Seriously your core point is the real issue – lack of unity and I remind folk there is an Open Meeting chaired by the CST on 29th Feb in Grace suite at Celtic Lark 7pm for 7.30 start.

For those that missed it a report back on the CST meeting on Thursday night with social media reps can be read at

https://sentinelcelts.com/2024/02/22/time-to-go/comment-page-3/#comment-320117

One point to emerge is that if there is a belief that the Celtic support are too diverse to unite under one roof, forming a membership for supporters scheme for example, then it is never going to happen.

There’s the problem.

Big Audio Dynamite
February 24, 2024 11:08 am

Vin,

I remember watching my favourite player crying like a baby cause his team had just been cheated out of the world cup by losing to West Germany.

But if you rewind the VHS tape almost exactly 4 years, others were crying because of what Diego had done.

It’s a funny old game right enough.

Auldheid
February 24, 2024 11:08 am

Gordon 64

Correct but don’t mention The Boards handling of Res12, which is evidence rich as one of the reasons.

The inability to separate the original Res from the lessons arising from it stops consideration of the latter for some.

Auldheid
February 24, 2024 11:15 am

BAD

I really liked that but having read To Hell or Barbados, which featured Oliver Cromwell in a very poor light vis a vis Irish history I’d not mention the source but the application of the speech to The Celtic Board is brilliant.

Auldheid
February 24, 2024 11:19 am

Chairbhoy

Remove Peter Lawwell and his coterie and his dark arts and without doing a single other thing the club improves x
===
I think it would be like a curtain drawn to let in the light.

The problem is how?

It’s not as if PL is a vampire or is it?

AweNaw
February 24, 2024 11:21 am

I am no social scientist but it strikes me that Britain is far more of a feudal society than Germany. Celtic’s supposed termination in 1994 was entirely instigated at the behest of the establishment. Our demise and the huns spectacular gain in power both sponsored by the establishment. All Fergus McCann done was to circumvent the deliberately engineered plausible cause to establish our demise. All Dermot Desmond has done is to ensure that those situations are not so easily engineered while ingratiating himself (not Celtic) with the establishment. Celtic FC is as much a vehicle to provide soft power as Newcastle United, Manchester City, PSG. In that regard if we did go into unmanageable debt would Dermot Desmond do the opposite of what Sir David Murray did when Rangers were confronted with this problem. Is Dermot Desmonds emotional attachment to Celtic greater than Sir David Murray’s was to Rangers ? Don’t be daft. Germans far more than the large refugee part of their population don’t buy that shit as readily as UK citizens. They are far more reticent to propaganda. You live and learn I suppose. I read a good post on CQN recently that stated the only problem with our absentee landlord is that he is not absent enough.

The protests witnessed in German football recently would never happen in the UK especially Scotland due to the type of society it is. The DFB equivalent to the SFA is presently in debt to the tune of €4.5m. Nagelsmann the German national team coach is paid €6m a year. There are also disputed back tax issues going all the way back to 2004 that could also be an issue, but it is an issue for the DFB and only highlights the associations own incompetence and greed. Maybe they shouldn’t have built a new DFB campus or awarded themselves ludicrous pay settlements. Maybe they should have been more cautious after Germany won the WC in 2014. The German national team is the golden goose that has stopped laying eggs since then. See Russia, See Qatar see the sponsorships shrivel up.

So due to the DFB’s financial mismanagement they decide to sell of a % of the rights to an investment company in the national team and DFB sponsored competitions for 10-20 years basically to protect themselves and to keep their positions within the golden gravy train.

Guess what ? The German public were not having it. See protests

Guess what the DFB do ? They use the old tool that is the bastion of all those in privileged positions who don’t want any accountability or transparency placed upon them for fear of jeopardizing their golden gravy train privileged positions.

They use PROJECT FEAR

See An independent Scotland, See Brexit, See Celtic FC 1994, See Rangers FC 2023, See The Glasers, See the DFB

Don’t see my vested interest in it.

Or

Don’t see my fear of change due to believing in propaganda

I have been telling you all for 20 years now stop buying Celtic season tickets and start buying Celtic shares instead, if you genuinely believe in the Celtic Community.

A 2.0 win today. Fir park pitch is like a velvet carpet compared to our too expensive to be repaired Irish bog

Auldheid
February 24, 2024 11:30 am

ATOB

I’ve been there in a different context.

Call it ” the dark night of the soul” or my favourite ” Pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding.

Think of it in the stages of grief process at the loss of something treasured.

When acceptance is reached peace arrives , but letting go of the ideal of Celtic is so hard the natural desire (speaking for self) is to try and make the ideal true. I think that applies to most going through the dark night so support for the ideal grows or its the croquet lawn or joining Mags for a pint. 😀

AweNaw
February 24, 2024 11:36 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/24/ukraine-refugees-on-two-years-in-the-uk

“To see a dentist is like getting to meet the king” : Ukrainian refugees on two years in the UK

Auldheid
February 24, 2024 11:51 am

Pitymevin

Football is not like normal business where customers go to the best value for money supplier.

Putting another club out of business does not increase the value of the surviving business. Quite the reverse in the case of Rangers.

Football is an interdependent business.

Whilst Celtic would have survived Rangers total demise, other clubs would not have done so well and they would not be in favour of that outcome.

Hence the 5WA that Celtic accepted.

That is just the economic reality of football as a business where Celtic find themselves.

If only we could ply our business in another market.

SFTB
February 24, 2024 11:55 am

Around 10 still to trap for Superbru by 3pm this afternoon.

Big Audio Dynamite
February 24, 2024 12:03 pm

Auldheid,

I was looking for it this morning but was under the impression Amery first said it to Chamberlain (in parliament) as a way of being critical of his handling of Hitler.

I had no idea that he was quoting Cromwell from the mid 1600s! I just thought it fit the mood right now.

Big Audio Dynamite
February 24, 2024 12:14 pm

If both us and the Huns are credited with playing a big part in helping other clubs financially keep their head above water, how does that narrative fit in with them turning their nose up at the opportunity to fill their stadiums with our fans? Why are clubs refusing 000s entry if they need every penny to survive?

Not much about Scottish football makes sense.

SFTB
February 24, 2024 12:17 pm

Here’s a quote from Brentford’s Lee Dykes, a club that we tend to praise for recruitment strategy. Yet if a Celtic recruiter said this, would it be treated as an excuse?

“I would say, as a whole, I think that January is a seller’s market, not a buyer’s market, and a market that we don’t tend to want to work in too much. We don’t believe that the valuations that are placed on players are as realistic as in the summer.”

SFTB
February 24, 2024 12:42 pm

Another quote from the Brentford guy:-

“Another quote from the Brentford guy “We used to sign players and the first time anybody would know about that signing would be when we actually announced them!

“Now, you don’t get away with that because the clubs that are selling the players want a bigger transfer fee, so they may release a bit of information – or the agents might do the same to get a better deal.

“Football’s a small world, so people speak, which means it’s a bit more challenging now.”

Pitymevin
February 24, 2024 12:45 pm

Auldhied, we will never know will we! I do know that the rugby team in Glasgow got a lift from their demise, and maybe the supporters club’s all round Scotland might have had to go elsewhere.

But say that as fact is unproven nonsense, attendance was up in the time they were in the lower divisions in the SPFL

So in essence we need a strong sevco, is that the story then.

It looks like the board are waiting on sevco to drag us forward.

Well it doesn’t look like it. It’s fact, as per our money in the bank and the gift of the CL money next season.

Big Audio Dynamite
February 24, 2024 12:54 pm

Pitymevin,

Were you in Seville for the 50th anniversary celebrations? And if so, were you at the meal that was organised?

HH.

Óglach
February 24, 2024 12:56 pm

SFTB

But Brentford actually spent money on ‘oven ready players’ that would enhance their squad during the all important summer window, as well as selling and releasing a few. Jan window is always difficult, at least for us it is apparently. So using it as an excuse for not adding quality to a squad already denuded of quality in the summer is absolute B/S of the 1st order.

Pitymevin
February 24, 2024 1:05 pm

BAD unfortunately not, I done one for Bertie. Won an auction to see Lee Mac and told Bertie to take his Mrs.

Loved the wee man, his patter was lighting quick and a true gentleman.

Never really done anything else, just like to moan, as Auldheid will testify 🙈🙈🙈

Auldbhoy67
February 24, 2024 1:10 pm

A mate of mine came up with this opinion before Christmas which was basically laughed off by some of us. He believes that it was the board themselves who brought Lawwell back. He believes DD had a buyer lined up due to the 10 being there to win. The board did not agree with his choice for whatever reason as he was not honest and forthright etc etc so the easy way was to lose the 10 and thus hit the value of the club . DD was pissed and released Lawwell as a fall guy for the sale collapsing hence his holiday of 18months. When Ange proved too strong for the board as a manager the solution as before Lawwell. He arrives Ange leaves and we are back to square one with the poor squad we have.

I have believed since we won 9iar that DD has been looking to sell and still believe it. As far as my mates opinion – is it feasible I don’t know so much.

ernie lych
February 24, 2024 1:18 pm

Auldheid

There’s no doubt the 5 way agreement made good business sense for those whose interest in Celtic was more financial than emotional.

The problem though is that the agreement is based on a lie, namely that there was an entity known as Rangers Football Club which was separate and distinct from the limited company and which was unaffected by the insolvency event.

That aspect of the whole affair irretrievably broke Scottish football, and destroyed whatever credibility or integrity it ever had.

St tams
February 24, 2024 1:20 pm

SFTB
What’s the excuse for the disastrous summer transfer window

Auldheid
February 24, 2024 1:21 pm

The counter productive issues surrounding a boycott based on the ultimate aim of one.

I would wait until after the Open meeting to sense the appetite for a boycott.
A three reasons why a boycott might be counter productive.

1. Celtic will just sell our best players to recover the lost income money. The opposite of what is basically wanted.

2. FSR limits the amount of money that can be spent on players to 70% of football income next season. The sources of income that are targets of a boycott are all football earnings and reducing that means less to spend on players which is not what we want .
3. In fact we want to spend as much of our football earnings as we can but on condition it is spent to the limit.
4. That is the message we have to get across.
Banner Lines.
Up with this we shall not put! (Graham Taylor).
Splash the FSR cash on footballers!

Football First to Make a Profit.

No More Mendacity at AGMs.

That would be my approach then when folk ask wtf is FSR tell them.
When they ask what is Mendacity tell them.
When they ask who is Graham Taylor refer them to Google.😎

Appealing to the heart is fine but if we are back on top tomorrow night (unlikely) it quickly becomes what’s the problem?

We need to make the supporters think more with their heads than their hearts to back a change of direction.

I’d hold off until the Open Meeting on the 29th. to gauge the appetite.

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