Two Out Of Three

Morning,all.

If there is one good thing about an international break,I suppose it is the extra time for recuperation afforded to our injured players. We currently have three players that most of us would have in the first team who are causing concern.

CCV with his recurring hamstring problems and from which he has only very recently made a tentative return. CalMac with his as yet unspecified lower leg injury for which he still have little information,including a return date. And Reo,who went to The Asian Cup with Japan after a couple of early season injuries-and lasted about five minutes before picking up another one!

(One of the downsides to international breaks is that players face the risk of injury,and also of a different training regime.)

Celtic had one of those behind-closed-doors friendlies yesterday,against St Mirren. The kind of thing that is usually done pre-season as clubs try to get their players up to match fitness,or during breaks to give the lower order and injured players a chance to shape up and get some game time. I suspect both sides agreed to the exercise for reasons similar to the above. Our main target though was to give Reo a not quite competitive run out in more than just a training game.

Last weekend he wasn’t considered up to being named on the bench. And I doubt if he is yet at a level that would have maybe seen him on the bench if we had a game this weekend. But a good runout yesterday and then ramp up the schedule,ease him into first-team trying again a week today? Yep,that would have him on track to appear from the bench against Livingston on the Easter Weekend.

Would a solid thirty minutes against Livingston be enough to warrant a place in the starting line-up at Ibrox the following Sunday? Well,maybe a bigger question is whether we should even be risking thirty minutes for a player returning from his latest leg injury. In normal circumstances,I would say no. But these are far from normal,for we only have eight games left in this league. There is no point in keeping our gunpowder dry while the battle is lost.

So overall,I say that if Reo acquits himself well in training in the next ten days we put him on the bench next Sunday. With a view to that solid thirty minutes and a starting place at Ibrox. We need every tool at our disposal,and a fired up and hungry Reo is definitely that. We need CCV to overcome his own problems. And we need CalMac adding that bit calm reassurance. I think we’ll need to settle for two out of the three. But that ain’t bad,is it?

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BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
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Mahe
March 21, 2024 1:13 am

Bobby,
I’m very hesitant to pin my hopes on Reo given the injuries, but on the other hand that bhoy might just win us the title.
I would honestly save him until the derby, keep them guessing, and give us an edge, hopefully.
Iwata, Matt, or Bernardo to drop?
That’s the big question and it’s probably Iwata and Bernardo.
Callum, Matt, Reo at Ibrox with good reserves, and Matt better pull the finger out.
Hail Hail

Big Audio Dynamite
March 21, 2024 4:48 am

BelmontBrian,

Hope everything goes well today pal.

Big Audio Dynamite
March 21, 2024 5:13 am

Anyone know how the bounce game went for Reo?
I’m sure we’d have heard if there were any setbacks.
We have really missed his creativity in the middle.
We will need to put a run of wins together and the wee man could certainly help with that.
A lot will depend on what version of Reo we’re getting back.
Hopefully it’s the one that scored THAT goal @Tynecastle and looked like the best player in the country.

Chairbhoy
March 21, 2024 5:29 am

Good Morning Sentinels – A Grand Day To Be A Tim

Motherwell issued a very telling statement on VAR yesterday…

https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2024/03/20/statement-on-var-decision-against-aberdeen/

The salient points Motherwell raise is not too dissimilar to the points that Brendan Rodgers made after the Tynecastle match.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mK7c5OJbP7k

Of course Brendan has been charged by the SFA for his comments, unlikely a similar charge will be levied at Motherwell FC.

So the SFA charges come down to format and semantics – not substance, how very appt.

Under the circumstances it is worth re-visiting the IFAB VAR protocol…

Principles

The use of VARs in football matches is based on a number of principles, all of which must apply in every match using VARs.

1. A video assistant referee (VAR) is a match official, with independent access to match footage, who may assist the referee only in the event of a ‘clear and obvious error’ or ‘serious missed incident’ in relation to:

a. Goal/no goal

b. Penalty/no penalty

c. Direct red card (not second yellow card/caution)

d. Mistaken identity (when the referee cautions or sends off the wrong player of the offending team)

2. The referee must always make a decision, i.e. the referee is not permitted to give ‘no decision’ and then use the VAR to make the decision; a decision to allow play to continue after an alleged offence can be reviewed.

3. The original decision given by the referee will not be changed unless the video review clearly shows that the decision was a ‘clear and obvious error’.

4. Only the referee can initiate a ‘review’; the VAR (and other match officials) can only recommend a ‘review’ to the referee.

5. The final decision is always taken by the referee, either based on information from the VAR or after the referee has undertaken an ‘on-field review’ (OFR)….

https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#principles

The bold lettering is that of the IFAB and are redlines in the key principles of VAR implementation.

Going back to the Brendan Rodgers post match interview, Brendan is completely justified in his criticism of the way VAR was used during the game.

Of course the important aspects of the game where the VAR who “may assist the referee” include…

b. Penalty/no penalty

c. Direct red card

Yet “ONLY in the event of a ‘clear and obvious error’ or ‘serious missed incident’

Now I’ve capitalised ONLY, as it is a key word, the IFAB bold words are obviously key as well.

Firstly it is clear the match referee did not miss the incidents, he issued a yellow card to Yang for his “high boot”.

At Tomoki’s penalty, he was five metres away looking straight at the incident.

So no VAR intervention there.

The yellow card was subjective and the penalty incident was subjective, so as long as the referee seen them and dealt with them, there is absolutely no reason for VAR to get involved.

Was there an error by the match referee with those calls, no, they were dealt with on the field of play, yet VAR has NO grounds to get involved unless there was an error (which there wasn’t) further, that “error”, needs to be ‘clear and obvious’, and the controversial nature of the VAR’s intervention clearly shows that’s not the case.

A definite straight red card

A stonewall penalty

Is the only time that a VAR can assist a match referee in these incidents, that clearly not the case.

These incident interventions are not at the whim of the VAR who wants to re-referee the game himself.

Now if we read further down the protocols…

…”3. The original decision given by the referee will NOT be changed unless the video review clearly shows that the decision was a ‘clear and obvious error’.

4. Only the referee can initiate a ‘review’; the VAR (and other match officials) can only recommend a ‘review’ to the referee.

5. The final decision is always taken by the referee, either based on information from the VAR or after the referee has undertaken an ‘on-field review’ (OFR)….

Again the capitalisation of NOT, is by me, yet you can see in protocols 3, 4 & 5 that the process and procedures involved in reviewing a decision is covered in these strict guidelines.

The only way to assertain with certainty what went wrong during the implementation of these protocols is to listen to the audio “tapes” of the officials interchange, so again, rumours that this audio is not available is very disconcerting.

These VAR protocols should be seared into every Scottish Match Official involved.

The use of VARs in football matches is based on a number of principles, all of which MUST apply in every match using VARs.

The MUST again capitalised by me but VAR does not work if these redlines are ignored and if that is not understood clearly or is ignored by the SFA and their officials, of course, this is incompetence.

Hail Hail

Chairbhoy
March 21, 2024 5:32 am

BMCUWPS….

Yes, one of Brendan Rodgers super powers is getting the right first team squad ready for the important games.

This season this has been neigh on impossible, quality players from Ange’s team not available due to permanent, long term and medium term injury.

Very poor recruitment on the last four windows, meaning quality and experience not being replaced and eventually the recruitment team being replaced.

Not to mention, ironically, the new recruits inflicted by the injury blight.

So under the circumstances; player rehab, player development and team planning may mean we have a Celtic first team, worth the name for the run in after the International break

BAD…

Yes, hopefully REO will have come through the bounce game and will be near his best, an enormous plus, even as a super-sub…

Hail Hail

Just Sayin’
March 21, 2024 6:47 am

I see opportunities for us on 7th April.

Huns chat is that their big defensive weakness is Lundstrum in his defensive mid role.
Apparently the stats compared to their favourite Jack are poor. (Although not very mobile Lundstrum is always a thug.)

As a result he doesn’t cover the right side of defence as well.

Which is where we should be putting Tavpen and Goldson under severe pressure.
Their definite weakness.

Maeda Kyogo Kühn backed by Iwata ( assuming Calmac isn’t fit) Matt Reo should be more than enough offensively. Back/up Bernardo was MoM in December!

CCV leading our back line will be a huge factor for us – however we have won with Ralston, Lagerbielke, Scales, Bernabei finishing the game in September and AJ, Welsh/Nawrocki, Scales, Taylor winning in December.

This league is there to be won.

Craig 76
March 21, 2024 7:31 am

B.A.D
I read he played 45mins in a 2 all draw but it was’nt from any offical club source

Big Audio Dynamite
March 21, 2024 7:40 am

Chairbhoy, 👍

Hopefully we are getting some key players back at a critical point in the season.
A fully fit Reo would give our midfield a dimension that’s been missing for months.
Because most of our creative play comes from our wide men, it may have been making it easier for teams to plan their defence against us.
Fingers X’d that Reo brings something different to our attack.

Craig,

Cheers mate.
I knew the score, I just hadn’t seen anything other than that though.
Hopefully no news is good news.

16 roads
March 21, 2024 7:47 am

Brendan seems reluctant to start players that aren’t 100% healthy, definitely trust his judgement on whether Reo is fit enough to start,or not.

Think we need Liam Scales and CCV to play in central defence,AJ on the right and Greg Taylor left back would be ideal.

Scales didn’t make the Ireland squad due to injury.

Calmac is the first name on the team sheet against the Frankensteins, again though nobody seems to know what the situation is with his fitness.

Ideally our midfield would be Calmac,Reo,MOR and Iwata.

I would leave a winger out and start with wee Kyogo in attack – instruct Maeda to torment Penalty brains, nullify their best player.

We beat them every day of the week with the above team.

HH.🍀

Jobo Baldie
March 21, 2024 9:22 am

Good morning friends.
Whilst I appreciate the subject matter of the lead article and most of the subsequent comments I do hope that Chairbhoy’s post at 5.29am and his excellent explanation on the Laws regarding VAR dont become lost in space. Makes the 2 major decisions at Tynecastle even more incomprehensable. Hashtag releasethetapes 😉

A Thing Of Beauty
March 21, 2024 9:29 am

Chairbhoy,
Excellent summation of the VAR rules. BR will get charged but I think the hearing will uncover a few things that should mean Beaton and his pals cannot interfere the way they have been doing.
Just sayin,
I always admire your optimism and I am known to be the exact opposite. I have concerns going to ibrox with Calmac and Hatate hardly having played. Reo was no where near his best at any point this season when he has come back from injury. I’m not confident this return will be any different. Calmac is a different kettle of fish. If he has full mobility, he’ll slot straight in like he’s never been away I think.
16 Roads,
I can’t see BR changing formation. I think he’ll go with scales if he’s fit, MOR, Calmac and Bernardo in the middle, Kuhn Kyogo and Maeda up front.
It should be remembered we have to beat Livi first and although they are rotten, it’s a plastic pitch and they ply a form of murder ball. If we get three points and no more injuries I’ll be delighted.

Lost in translation ...
March 21, 2024 9:49 am

Cb @ 5.29

The M/well statement would appear to have been lawyered up to 11.

BR gave a number of interviews where he was speaking off the cuff.
From memory he was very careful on most occasions to mention competency — that is what he wanted from MIB / VAR.
Not sure if in one if his later interviews he used the “incompetent” and that is what the SFA would appear to be are going after.

Side note — BR is a pretty shrewd guy to the point of being cute at times.
Not sure if any use of the word “incompetent” was intentional to generate a response.
With his contacts and resources — very good quality advice from “m’ learned friends” would only be a friendly chat away.

Not sure if someone is picking the moment for action — let them make a mistake then phasers set to malky if you like.
Everything points to the officials getting slack with their comms — based on the VAR chat.
It would appear that the conversation went too far and did not follow the spirit or the intention of the VAR laws / regulations.

Their is a precedent for clubs gaining access to the VAR chat so any request could not be refused.
Following that request — any loss of said chat would appear to put the SFA is a weak position.

The WAG case and the missing phone highlighted that the failure to produce evidence that would ordinarily be available puts the transgressor in a very weak position.

Timing would appear to be all in these matters.
I think word has gotten out that the VAR chat from the Hertz game was interesting to say the least.
What would be even worse if ongoing advice / guidance from the MIB clique about VAR and when and how to use it steps away from the original rules of the road.

Ludge MIB needed Ludge VAR to lay out the updated advice on “paper” and that could be the reason for all the turmoil we are now witnessing.

Do you think Ludge MIB / Ludge VAR have WhatsApp groups?

McCaff
March 21, 2024 10:17 am

Here’s the Motherwell Statement in full for the Luddites! 😉
https://www.motherwellfc.co.uk/2024/03/20/statement-on-var-decision-against-aberdeen/

Bada Bing
March 21, 2024 12:10 pm

Went to see The Fast Show Live last night

…..which was nice…..

ernie lynch
March 21, 2024 12:57 pm

How can any decision, which relies on subjective judgement, like a handball where the question for the ref is is whether or not the contact was intentional, be deemed to be a ‘clear and obvious error’?

Doesn’t make sense to me.

INIQUITOUS IV
March 21, 2024 1:18 pm

Anybody feel you could substitute the word ‘Celtic’ for ‘Chelsea’?

A letter from the Chelsea Supporters’ Trust said the group wanted to highlight “serious concerns” and the “disconnection felt by supporters towards the majority of the team, the manager, the club ownership, and the board”.
“The Chelsea Supporters’ Trust regretfully believes that we are close to, if not already experiencing, a significant shift in supporter opinion that could result in irreversible toxicity, almost irrespective of results on the pitch,” it added.
“Supporters are saying that there currently seems a fast-growing lack of trust from much of the fanbase, especially matchgoers towards the board, partially due to severely limited communication.”
In a response from chief executive Chris Jurasek, Chelsea said the club deeply valued “the dedication, commitment and desire from all our supporters” and “strives to be the most successful and admired” in the world – both on and off the pitch.
It added the club was committed to “clear lines of communication and a significant level of transparency”, pointing to the established of the Fan Advisory Board, as well as recognising the concern over rising costs on a matchday.
Jurasek added: “We endeavour to have regular and strong communication with all our supporters, across all our teams, and aim to enhance and improve this connection season-on-season.”

Jobo Baldie
March 21, 2024 1:40 pm

Ernie – the ‘deliberate or accidental’ question should not be the first thing the ref considers. Intent only applies in certain situations. I attach a link to the new Law introduced by IFAB a couple of years ago. My own summary would be –

Hand/arm making body bigger and in an unnatural position – handball offence, no intent required
Hand/arm within natural body shape – handball offence ONLY if it is deliberate
Hits a player’s hand or arm and same player then scores – always a handball offence, even if accidental or within body shape.
Hits a player’s hand or arm and a team mate then scores, or is in a position to go on to score – NOT an offence if is deemed accidental AND not in an unnatural position.

Link – https://www.theifab.com/news/annual-general-meeting-2021/

INIQUITOUS IV
March 21, 2024 1:47 pm

CHAIRBHOY @ 5:29
First class, really well articulated post.😊

weefra
March 21, 2024 1:50 pm

Good afternoon all. HH

Jimtim
March 21, 2024 1:50 pm

Well looks like the SFA aren’t bricking it . Newco got the date for Dundee game they wanted. Can’t say I was confident we would start to get right into the SFA .

Bada Bing
March 21, 2024 2:05 pm

Parliament Channel, I think everyone has fkd off as Galloway is speaking…

INIQUITOUS IV
March 21, 2024 2:16 pm

I don’t know if any of our Asian players travelled, but none featured, even on the bench, in Japan’s narrow 1-0 World Cup qualifying win over North Korea, or Korea’s surprising 1-1 draw with Thailand ( Spurs’ Son the scorer ).
HH
Iniquitous IV

Mahe
March 21, 2024 2:22 pm

We’ve triggered the Bernardo option apparently. 7.5 million.

Big Audio Dynamite
March 21, 2024 2:32 pm

IQ4,

Maeda?

timhorton
March 21, 2024 2:48 pm

MAHE
Don’t think Bernardo is a good signing…wonder who gave the go ahead on this.

timhorton
March 21, 2024 2:49 pm

MAHE
Would not pay that much for Bernardo.

JimDom
March 21, 2024 2:54 pm

Being currently in a state of scunneredness with all things Celtic, and Scottish football in general, I don’t think it really matters if Reo, CCV, or CalMac, are fit for the final games of the season.

VAR will determine who finishes first (them) and who finishes second (us). We have seen enough to know that the final arbitrar is VAR , not the on-field referee. The Motherwell statement could have been replicated by a host of clubs. VAR is very quickly killing any enjoyment we get from football, and it should be binned until the laws of football are re-written to accommodate it.

The SFA blazers will have their minds on Germany and very little else. The remainder of the Scottish domestic season will be just a nuisance to them, it’s all about the Euros and the glamour associated with the tournament. And their bonuses, no doubt.

For us at Celtic, nothing changes until the executive suits and NED’s are on the same page as the bulk of the support. Nothing at all.

It’s been quite some time since we were all on the same page.

Prestonpans bhoys
March 21, 2024 2:55 pm

From what I’ve seen of Bernardo would say he’s worth half that figure!

INIQUITOUS IV
March 21, 2024 3:14 pm

Big Audio Dynamite
IQ4,

Maeda?
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BAD, He wasn’t even on the bench. With our luck this season, I’m quite happy for him not to play. Japan plays away in a few days in North Korea. The Koreans might not be the best players in the world, but they are hard as teak and absolutely desperate to win, a recipe for injuries to both teams.

No idea about this, but it’s possible that dictator for life Kim Jong Un, who hates Japan with a passion, may impose punishments on the North Korean team if they lose again. Saddam Hussein was rumoured to have ordered beatings on the soles of the feet of the Iraqi team when they lost a tie to, I think Iran.
HH
Iniquitous IV

ASWGL
March 21, 2024 3:21 pm

Maeda played the full 90 minutes against NK , no injuries reported

Game Information
New Japan National Stadium
10:23 AM, March 21, 2024
Tokyo, Japan
Over/Under: 3.5
Attendance: 59,354
Referee: Adel Al Naqbi
Match ends, Japan 1, DPR Korea 0.
Score 1-0

No 11. Daizen Maeda

Bada Bing
March 21, 2024 3:35 pm

Seems return game for Japan in N Korea,in doubt, due to political reasons

Óglach
March 21, 2024 3:45 pm

According to the Portuguese media Celtic are keen to secure services of Bernardo on a permanent deal, £6.3mill being quoted as fee agreed before loan deal started, BUT Celtic wish to renegotiate fee.🤔😏

Must mean Matt’s offski in the summer

ASWGL
March 21, 2024 3:53 pm

Harry Kane looking like a giant Easter egg, more money well spent/wasted (delete appropriately) by your council.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68625041

St tams
March 21, 2024 3:57 pm

Could anyone tell me if Lawwell jnr and his sidekick who were sacked , have been replaced and if they have , by who.
Or are we back to the manager doing the scouting and recruitment.

San Luis
March 21, 2024 3:59 pm

JimDom

I think you’re correct,I hope we’re both wrong.

I have no faith in our Board to fight our corner or the HFA to derail Operation Old Firm.

Regardless of the final outcome, there’s more than enough evidence, especially since the introduction of VAR, that the game in Scotland is rigged.

ASWGL
March 21, 2024 4:04 pm

St Tams Knowing our boards attention to detail it would not surprise me in the least if Andrea Bocelli and Stevie Wonder are both candidates to take over our scouting team.

HH

St tams
March 21, 2024 4:12 pm

ASWGL
They’ve obviously been putting all there focus into arranging the American tour.
That brings in money .

Mike in Toronto
March 21, 2024 4:24 pm

Strange thing happened in the NBA this week. During the third quarter of the game between the Clippers and Portland, perennial allstar / troublemakerJames Harden advances the ball, and passes it to team mate Kawhi Leonard who is in the corner, with no defender, and has an open look at a 3 ball.

Instead of cutting to the basket and looking for a rebound (which woudl be the expect thing), Harden runs at Leonard, jumps and tries to block his own teammate’s shot!

The Clippers were up by 20 points, but it was still only the 3rd quarter, and bigger leads than that have been lost …. so why would he try to stop his own teammate from scoring?

Bizarre.

INIQUITOUS IV
March 21, 2024 4:37 pm

ASWGL, BIG AUDIO DYNAMITE.
Apologies lads. Major fact failure on my part. I tried to view the Japan and Korea games, but they were only available on apps I don’t have. I checked the lineups. and I could swear Japan’s front 2 were Ueda and Nakamura when I looked before the game started. ASWGL is 100% correctimundo.
HH
Iniquitous IV

INIQUITOUS IV
March 21, 2024 4:43 pm

St. Tams
Lawwell’s Jr.’s scouting and recruitment sidekick was called Gudgeon.
Who?
Yeah, me neither.
HH
Iniquitous IV😊

St tams
March 21, 2024 4:48 pm

INIQUITOUS IV
Just read that Mark Burchill , has been tipped to get a job as part of the Liverpool recruitment team.

Big Audio Dynamite
March 21, 2024 5:13 pm

IQ4,

We’ll let it slide this time 😉😊

16 roads
March 21, 2024 5:19 pm

A Thing Of Beauty @ March 21, 2024 9:29 am

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That’s a major flaw the manager has, this stubborn insisting on playing 4-3-3 every single game, irrespective of circumstances.

It’s cost us a lot this season already, there’s no call for it particularly in away games when the 3 in midfield have been overrun so many times.

Happens at Celtic Park as well.

Kuhn for example isn’t capable of chasing or running back to help the midfield, neither is Palma.

Maeda can run all day,as could Abada.

Yang possibly, he’s probably injured as well though knowing our luck.

HH.🍀

16 roads
March 21, 2024 5:32 pm

MIT – The Beard is definitely a renegade,been quiet recently though,not much controversy to be fair.

Saying he did it for a laugh.

You could pick 5 from this blog and they’d beat thon Portland outfit anyway.

It’s that time of the season in the NBA where most of the teams know their place, not much entertainment around.

Celtics or Nuggets to win the thing.

Dallas are good to watch,Luka and Kyrie – zero defense unfortunately.

The baseball will be starting soon, looking forward to that now.

HH. 🍀 🏀

Bada Bing
March 21, 2024 5:43 pm

St Tams- I think Richard Hughes is his brother in law?

INIQUITOUS IV
March 21, 2024 5:46 pm

Big Audio Dynamite
IQ4,

We’ll let it slide this time 😉😊
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Last warning, eh?🤣

Mike in Toronto
March 21, 2024 6:19 pm

16R

March madness starts soon…but I dont watch as much basketball as I once did….

Never really got into baseball …. but once or even twice a summer, there isn’t much better than sitting along the first base line on a glorious summer day, eating a hot dog and watching a baseball game. I’m sounding like WP Kinsella there …

on that note, for a pretty boring sport, some of the best sports movies ever … Field of Dreams, Bull Durham, The Natural .. have been about baseball … maybe the slow pace of baseball allows more space for story lines… I’m not sure

Bada Bing
March 21, 2024 6:29 pm

Wales v Finland play off game also on Channel 4 Wales