Learning Something New

Morning,all. 

I don’t think I’m unique on this site in having any interest whatsoever in only one club but who loves watching football no matter who is playing. When it comes to watching Celtic,we watch because it’s Celtic,it’s what we do. Kick every ball,etc. With other matches,I watch for the love of the game. See something different. Or learn something new. 

I certainly learnt something new last night. Who knew that a player can be booked twice but not sent off? Well,I reckon at least one of us did! But not me,not the fans in the stadium in Lille. And certainly not Emi Martinez,the Villa goalkeeper. But yes,that is yet another of the twists in the regulations that have been introduced with the clear intention of messing with the heads of us old traditionalists! 

I’m not harking back to jumpers for goalposts,Brylcreem,Dubbin and wintergreen,but it’s helluva difficult to keep up. Martinez might be a twat-he is a twat-but he is a tremendous goalkeeper-who should have been off the pitch for his antics in the penalty shootout. No argument. That he wasn’t given the walk of shame is quite possibly the main reason why Villa are in a European semi,and not Lille. 

It’s at this time of the season that things really start to heat up at the sharp end. Teams pushing for titles and trophies,some for European places or a spot in a play-off. Some simply desperate to avoid an ignominious stain on their CV of relegation and the financial pitfalls that entails nowadays. I remember about fifteen upyears ago that the play-off final for promotion to the EPL was promoted as having the biggest prize money in world football,being worth over £100m to the winner-for a bloody play-off just to be in the EPL for the following season! I mean,that is just crazy.  It was obscene then,and it is obscene now. And it demeans the game too. 

Some teams go up hoping to do their best and stay up,but with no intention of spending enough money to give them a chance of doing that. Trust to luck,take the money and the relegation and use it to build for more,better funded,campaigns. Happy enough to rattle about as a yo-yo club,in other words. Others get a rush of blood to the head and mortgage their future to the hilt trying to get themselves established at that level. Few seem able to strike a balance,even the likes of Bournemouth,Brentford and Brighton are carrying a welterweight of debt. 

Money makes the world go round,and I’ve never been a fan of telling others how to spend theirs when I don’t have enough myself! But we all as fans feel entitled and qualified to tell our preferred club how to spend the cash. Yes,we all go absolutely ballistic about Celtic having £72m or whatever in the bank which we feel should be invested in the team. That sum is about the annual level of turnover when we don’t qualify for the Champions League-and no firm should be carrying that level of surplus,watching it do nothing while the product that it should be spent on deteriorates in the face of improvements by competitors. 

But Celtic seem to have a parochial approach to life these days. We hanker after European competition but don’t even budget for it muc less spend. The powers that be view the income from competing in Europe as a pleasant bonus but a major distraction. Of course they don’t enjoy watching us getting humped in Europe,but they CGAF,for them the big picture is at home. Be the best of a bad lot and do it as cheaply as possible,that way the fans will still cough up for the STs and the merch. Top Twenty for merchandise sales in Europe,that’s something to crow about,innit? 

Well,it would be something to crow about if the top twenty ranking referred to our on field achievements in Europe. As it is,Victoria Plzen are now above us in the Euro ratings so they are likely to take a place in the 25/26 CL in preference to ourselves should neither of us win our domestic titles. To be honest,I don’t know what our European coefficient ranking is. I think I’d need a diver’s helmet and a stethoscope to find out. But I do know it is nowhere near good enough,and that it is likely to stay that way until we get someone with the balls to do something about it. 

But then we come back to that big game once a season in England,probably worth around £150m to the winners nowadays. How much is enough and how much might cripple us for years? That’s the question the winners face every year. And it’s getting more difficult every time for a promoted club to stay up,which means that the surviving clubs there are becoming more entrenched. Every so often you would get an outlier,a team which had the plans and the players to do a good job and finish mid-table. Every so often you would see a team which had screwed up and went from being established at the top to being relegated due to bad management on or off the park. 

But mainly the promoted clubs are viewing promotion these days as a chance to take the money and run,quite simply because the alternative of speculating to accumulate and aiming to finish 17th or better for a few seasons risks the entire future of the club if they fail in their ambitions. When clubs like Nottingham Forest or Wolves can run up a wage bill of c£80m pa it is difficult to persuade chairmen to authorise spending on players who might get you that 17th place. Because they very well might not get you that,they are on a five year contract and you are back in the Championship with no way to cover it. 

So it is with Europe. The improved payments for qualifying for the knockout stages are not enough for a club like Celtic-or a board like Celtic Plc-to justify spending enough money on the players who will get us there. Our game is to spend what we need to win in Scotland,just so we can have a pop at that £60m. Never mind that our reputation in Europe is being dragged through the gutter. Never mind that the fans are getting pissed off with being patronised by visiting players and managers about what a wonderful night it was,nor that they are getting pissed off at being fleeced for the privilege of watching it happen. The important thing is the £60m. 

Now that sounds like me having my usual pop at the board,and I agree that it is. I’ve never been a fan of Lawwell and I’ve never made a secret of it either. I’ve certainly never been a fan of his beancounting approach to football,where costs are king and quality is irrelevant. More importantly,I think that if he had never been near the club we could have built on our achievements in the early part of this century,but that was never going to happen under his strangling control. We went from having coveted players like Larsson,Petrov et al,with EPL winners and CL winners like Sutton and Lambert,competing with the best in Europe. Beating them too. We didn’t just compete with them on the pitch,we could compete with them for the signings as well. 

Not now. Long gone. While we were counting the bawbees,the big boys elsewhere were coining it in. They are now out of reach,and achievement in Europe with it. Our standing in Europe now is so bad that our best hope of doing anything is to get to being a Pot 3 team! I mean,how low can you go? And the only reason we have a chance of doing that is because the new set-up gives us the chance to play other Pot 4 clubs,ones who might be even worse than us!!!

Oh,how are the mighty fallen. The irony is that a good part of the blame for that lies at the feet of someone who didn’t realise how much money mattered in our sport when he arrived. All about the bottom line for him. Well,he knows now. Just ask Victoria Plzen,or the teams scrambling for the play-offs down south. Better still,he can ask his pals at Ibrox. But I’ll bet he won’t ask the present or former managers. Or the fans. 
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Above article by BMCUWP

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BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
April 19, 2024 12:07 am

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BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
April 19, 2024 12:07 am

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BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
April 19, 2024 12:08 am

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BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
April 19, 2024 12:09 am
Chairbhoy
April 19, 2024 5:30 am

Interesting lead BMCUWPS…

It’s always at this time of the season that our stark failure in Europe really bites.

Clubs like Victoria Plzen and Atalanta nail the lie that Celtic would just be wasting money spending it on footballers as it’s impossible to improve.

Since Martin O’Neil’s wings were clipped by Peter Lawwell, it’s been the slow lane in Europe for Celtic.

Of course Peter Lawwell and his acolytes will spin a different story, many have been suckered in, yet the facts and hindsight give us 20/20 vision of Big Pedro’s failure.

Just in case the naysayers will again regurgitate their worn out mantras, which are now more vacuous and less convincing than a flat earther pleading their case…

Lee Congerton has confirmed what those of us who got off the deludamol a long time ago knew….

“The former head of recruitment claims his time in Glasgow was blighted by a lack of funds, adding he left the club due to players he didn’t approve of being brought in.

Now at Serie A side Atalanta, Congerton took up the role at Celtic in March 2017, before following Brendan Rodgers down to Leicester City two years later.

“At Celtic we had no money,” he told Telegraph Sport. “Peter Lawwell is a nice man, he’s an accountant. Brendan spoke to me and said we needed pace and power, speed.

“We all know PSG has an amazing youth programme with players at the time who were never going to play for PSG.

“Two of the other players we tried to sign during my time were [Moussa] Diaby, who is now at Aston Villa, and [Christopher] Nkunku who is now at Chelsea.

“But there were several players I didn’t want to be anywhere near them and that is why I left. Peter knows that and so did Brendan. Atalanta is very different.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/articles/c72p9jl74ggo.amp

It just shows you what Brendan Rodgers achieved first time around, just like what he’s been trying to achieve this season, has been done with one hand tied behind his back.

Nothing we can do now can make amends for the past but come the summer, we may well be in an excellent position to start taking the Club forward in the new format UCL.

None of the Board’s excuses now hold water, a new mindset in a new era may see Celtic starting to impact Europe in a way this club deserves, IF the manager is backed.

Hail Hail

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
April 19, 2024 6:44 am

I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news,but an old friend and site regular has passed away. Posting on here as GER57,Gerry was a dyed-in-the-wool Celtic supporter and didn’t care who knew it. There was a lot more to like about him than that though.

I had a a good few good times in his company,either in Ayr or Glasgow. A lot of us did! He’ll be much missed by everyone who knew him.

Seems he had an emergency operation on Monday,and although the operation was a success,the recovery was just too much for him.

R I P Gerry.

☘️⭐️💚⭐️☘️

Just Sayin’
April 19, 2024 6:48 am

Just to put some meat on the bones our club ranking is 59 with 32 points.
Huns are 25 with 63.

We are behind the likes of Qarabag, Young Boys, Maccabi Tel Aviv. But ahead of Victoria Plzen who are on 28.

If we don’t replicate the 10 points gained in season 19/20 we are likely to fall further behind.

The CL will be great for the bank balance next season but unlikely to gain many points and push us up the rankings!

This coming season may be the last we see of the CL, as qualification with our pitiful ranking will make it very difficult.

EL/ECL here we come.

Just Sayin’
April 19, 2024 6:51 am

R I P GER57

Never met but had the occasional exchange on here.

Condolences to his family and friends.

Hoop hoop hooray
April 19, 2024 7:30 am

RIP Ger57

Great article bobby. Find it hard to disagree with anything and much as we all love being top dogs in Scotland, if we are honest, it’s only to get it up our tribute rivals and the bragging rights and fun that follow.

Europe has been a complete embarrassment for years. I dunno why we look forward to it every season. Alan Morrison made a great point a few months ago,. The problem is we use the tribute act as our measure and pay out all sorts of exec bonuses if we do better than them donestically. It woukd soon create a change of strategy if that benchmark was similar sized european clubs outwith the big 5 leagues instead.

Hoop hoop hooray
April 19, 2024 7:35 am

Just on the ‘keeping up with the rules’ bit, here’s a quirky one which you may or may not know.
You cannot score an own goal from a free kick.
1-0 up in the derby cup final. Last seconds of stoppage time. Free kick on edge of your box and you pass it back to the keeper who isn’t expecting it and it goes in.
All hell break loose and the ref signals for a corner…..

McCaff
April 19, 2024 7:41 am

Morning all!
RIP GER57!

Jobo Baldie
April 19, 2024 7:43 am

Good morning friends. Very saddened to read the news of Ger57 with whom I had several chats at the fabled CQN corner.
RIP Gerry.

Cosy Corner Bhoy
April 19, 2024 7:50 am

RIP Ger57. A great bloke and fanatical Celtic supporter. Had many a great time with him at various hoots.
Well into golf also

San Luis
April 19, 2024 7:55 am

Tribute act or not, they have put us to shame in comparison by their European exploits these past 3 or 4 years. Yes, I know they are CL fodder ( like us), but they have at least made a decent fist of it in EL. Don’t even get me started about the Conference League.

Our Club, ( Board,Managers,Players, et al) should be hugely embarrassed by our performances (or lack thereof) in Europe this past decade or so.

If BR has one job to radically improve on, it is that, and not winning a League 12 times out of 13. – as much as we enjoy those moments. Not one club in Europe cares about that when they face us.

Anyway, onwards and upwards as they say.

Just Sayin’
April 19, 2024 8:15 am

I guess we’re looked upon as a curious, sad backwater that once played football competitively but now provide the opposition with a chance to tick off their wish list, thanks to gracious, if not patronising, comments from the likes of Messi et al.

I assume the likes of Desmond and Lawwell still consider us relevant when hosting the big teams.
The happily “know your place” syndrome which they automatically adopt in Scotland.

Realistically what is the best we can hope for in the new CL format?
Top 24? That would be a fantastic achievement.
Equivalent of a pot 3 finish.

The above predicated on winning the League, of course.

Bada Bing
April 19, 2024 8:21 am

RIP Gerry, condolences to his family and friends

AweNaw
April 19, 2024 8:23 am

R.I.P GER57

Enjoyed his contributions

Auldbhoy67
April 19, 2024 8:23 am

A strange decision in Villa v Lille penalty shootout last night when Martinez the Villa keeper gets 2nd yellow but remains on pitch. Seems his first yellow doesn’t carry over from normal play. He then saves to put Villa through to semi.
How are we as normal supporters meant to keep up. Of course there will be some who claim to know that rule but I sure didn’t.
Remember when Villa thrashed Hibs both games this season . They looked quick and sharp and now on the verge of 1st European final since 1982 albeit not the same standard of cup tourney. Their fans won’t care if they reach it. Never say never.

Frimpong scores 89 min equaliser for Leverkuesen at West Ham.

NorrieM
April 19, 2024 8:30 am

May Perpetual Light Shine Upon You
Gerry Chambers
🙏🙏🙏🕯️🕯️🕯️

Thoughts and Prayers are with Gerry, his Family and Friends
☘️🍀💚

Bada Bing
April 19, 2024 8:34 am

Watched the Villa game last night, totally stupid rule to not include any yellow cards, when it goes to penalties, to protect idiot GKs like Martinez

Bigrailroadblues
April 19, 2024 8:37 am

Rest in peace Ger57
Met Gerry several times in various pubs and at Celtic Park. A nice fellow and great company.

Leggy
April 19, 2024 8:41 am

Morning all,

Very sad news indeed.

Ger57 had some great contributions on here and will be sadly missed.

Condolences to his family and friends 🙏🙏

Rest in Peace Gerry 💚💚💚

YNWA 🍀🍀🍀

JimDom
April 19, 2024 8:47 am

Right on the money BMCUWP. All 72 million pounds of it.

With every passing year the Desmond/Lawwell Celtic business plan exposes itself even more. The current season being peak reveal. Celtic might just win the title, despite our worst efforts. Let’s leave cash that buys better players resting in the bank (summer & winter window) and see if our mediocre squad can still beat R2ngers to the winning post.

If it happens then the PLC suits will adopt their default self congratulatory mode. All KPI’s met and Nicholson’s two grand a day will jump to three grand a day. The support will also enjoy the moment as the domestic stuff is all we have to enjoy.

European football refreshes the parts that Dingwall doesn’t reach, last Sunday aside. The stuff we witnessed on Tuesday and Wednesday night is a different sport compared with our domestic scene. And that is not just the playing side, that applies to the quality of referees and the use of VAR.

Our devotion to Celtic allows the PLC to take us for mugs. God forbid they will ever take our money and speculate to accumulate, even for one single season. That would potentially harm the KPI’s and impact on executive bonuses. Fun times in Europe is not the Celtic way. Know your place Celtic fans.

Is Villa’s Martinez not just cut from the same cloth as our own Artur Boruc ?

RIP GER57

Angel Gabriel
April 19, 2024 9:00 am

Sad news about Gerry Chambers .
Rest In Peace ole pal.🙏🏻

Just Sayin’
April 19, 2024 9:13 am

A G

The name Gerry Chambers strikes a chord with me.
Knew a Gerry Chambers 45 years ago. Was a couple of years older than me, so the 57 makes sense. From Glasgow South side?

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
April 19, 2024 9:18 am

JUSTSAYIN

Could be originally from there,I don’t know. Very much one of the Ayrshire Tims when I knew him.

Just Sayin’
April 19, 2024 9:27 am

BMCUW

Ah. My memory is the Gerry I knew was originally from the Crossmyloof area.

Thanks for the reply.

Just Sayin’
April 19, 2024 9:32 am

Also a bit of a left wing firebrand in student politics.

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
April 19, 2024 9:49 am

JUSTSAYIN

Oh,Gerry was that alright. Never changed. I recall one time on a train to Glasgow,a wee hoot planned. There were a few of us met up on the train for the dayooooot. Somehow the subject turned to the engineering blacklist from the late 70s. Back then,people were being sacked and then denied future employment mainly because of union or H&S activism.

Gerry was one of them,as it turned out. Three others in our small group too,including my Dad (and my Uncle Jim,though he wasn’t there that day.) Some unsung heroes made great sacrifices in their youth for what they knew was right. Gerry was one of them.

HH.

Big Audio Dynamite
April 19, 2024 9:51 am

Bye, Gerry.

A gent.

Just Sayin’
April 19, 2024 9:51 am

BMCUW

Obviously in the DNA. 👍🏻

St tams
April 19, 2024 9:56 am

RIP
Ger57

The Star Above The Crest
April 19, 2024 10:21 am

R.I.P. Ger57

My condolences to Gerrys family and friends.

HH ☘️

weefra
April 19, 2024 10:33 am

RIP Ger57 condolences to his family and all who knew him. HH

Prestonpans bhoys
April 19, 2024 10:33 am

Jimdom
“Is Villa’s Martinez not just cut from the same cloth as our own Artur Boruc ?”

No, more like McGregor the hun…..

Sol Kitts
April 19, 2024 10:43 am

RIP Ger57. Condolences to his family at this sad time.

Big Audio Dynamite
April 19, 2024 11:02 am

This weekend will see Brendan make his 10th trip to the national stadium for a cup game.

Of the previous 9, Brendan is yet to experience a defeat.

Because i only judge him on what he does while in our dugout, I couldn’t be happier with his record.

As far as domestic football goes, I’m pretty sure he has the best record in Scottish football history.

Personally I hope he is here for years to come!

Lost in translation ...
April 19, 2024 11:59 am

BMCUW

We have no ambition at exec level — just keep DD happy and the bonuses coming in.
We have too little ambition in the support — just keep ahead of Govan FC and too many are ecstatic.

This focus on the local is hurting us at every turn.
There is no drive to develop the club / grow the club and engage with the football world of today and the future.
Just a variation of the Scottish cringe where the CL is not for the likes of us.
Happy to accept excuse after excuse to justify our lack of energy.

It is this environment that we have £72mill in the bank.
No great desire to rock the boat and demand change — the current stagnation suits too many.

This forum has unfortunately highlighted our failures.
Dwindling overseas engagement as the away support serenades the SPL with rampant celebratory militarism.
Self indulgent attention seekers happy to live with exec laziness as long as they can sing.
Football is second to far too many in the support.
And they are who the world see’s.

That is how the board / PL / DD get away with it.

Lost in translation ...
April 19, 2024 12:03 pm

RIP GER57 — didn’t know the man but remember his views / comments / thoughts on here.
Thoughts and prayers to his family.

Lost in translation ...
April 19, 2024 12:09 pm

SL @ 7.55

Our standards are poor right throughout the club.
Any new player coming to G40 will not take long to work out our sloppy / low energy ways.
Easy money for far too many — until the SPL wises up and they realise we are only phoning it in.

We have been found out a few times this season — hopefully we have learned our lessons.

Lost in translation ...
April 19, 2024 12:25 pm

The surprises football throws up …

LG — our 2017 chief scout now working for Atalanta — interesting.
Atalanta bullied L/pool into 135 minutes of poor football.
Very physical / very energetic / very well coached.

Looks like he has bee there for nearly two years so he has had an influence on their team.
Atalanta — £150mill T/O approx so in our ball park when it comes to financials.
Marker to judge our performance against.

JK @ L/pool — wrung the cloth dry.
Not in a great place at the moment — lumpy squad — most games with only 2 credible MF’ers.
Plus AMacA looked well of the pace against a very physical team.
MS playing good football but not great finishing.

JK — right decision to leave.
He looks as if he is currently running on fumes.
Looks as if he cannot find replacements for his one good team.
The squad don’t look that involved with his tactics / coaching.

EPL — interesting at the moment.
PG looks to be on the AW slide — can’t understand why he is not winning when the team follows his orders..
The players get better but the tactics / set up become more self indulgent and so less effective.
RM were nowhere near the quality of Citeh but they wanted to win not play pretty patterns.

CL failure playing without a DM comes to mind.
Not good — ego tripping is one way of looking at it.

Big Audio Dynamite
April 19, 2024 12:41 pm

😂

Hun pain ..

Like a prescription for happy pills!

Billy Bhoy
April 19, 2024 12:55 pm

Bobby

There is something far wrong with the EUFA coefficient policy when a team that has won 1 title in its existence,and lost all 6 games on the one occasion they “graced” the CL, has a much better standing than the perennial title winners.
WTAF!

Did I read that if they win the title this season they could be a Pot 2 team – whereas we would yet again be in Pot 4. There is something very wrong here!

I wonder if its in the minds of some teams to contrive to move up the rankings by hoovering up points in the EL to.give them a better chance of success in the CL. I’m thinking about teams like Ajax and Benfica that seem to bounce around between the CL and EL regularly? 🤔

Lost in translation ...
April 19, 2024 12:58 pm

BB @ 12.55

Our friends in Govan — they win Euro games after Christmas.
We don’t — just always on the look out for different ways to fail.

We need to wake up to how poor our Euro efforts have been for 10 probably 20 years.
Getting schooled by third rank Euro teams is never a good look.

Big Audio Dynamite
April 19, 2024 1:13 pm

I suppose their mood is understandable, given they had the title won just over a week ago. ☺

Made the mistake of waking the only football giant in this country

No chickens getting counted yet ..mostly cause I don’t have any chickens 😁😁

C’mon the jam tarts,, and anyone else who has to play the cheating scum.

I know who I’d rather play it we reach the final.

AweNaw
April 19, 2024 1:13 pm

Billy boy,

The architects of the CL coefficient scheme were Messrs Campbell Ogilvie and John McLelland. The same men who were the architects of Rangers Employment Benefit Trust.

McCaff
April 19, 2024 1:16 pm

We need look no further for our failings, home or abroad, than the Despicable Mr D and his Blofeld Pussy Lawell! Bobby’s article clearly points to our esteemed PLC but particularly our ex-CEO and current Chair! You mention LG, Lee Congerton, at Atalanta. He left us because we didn’t get the players he wanted. As did Brendan. As, presumably did Ange.
So, really, we know where the problem is. But let’s hope Brendan has been given assurances that from the approaching window forwards recruitment will have a different look.

Big Audio Dynamite
April 19, 2024 1:20 pm

On the list of the champions league’s most successful teams of all time, Celtic sit in 20th place.

We must’ve been much higher before the emergence of teams like Man city and Chelsea, who I never saw play in the European cup.

Also glad they are changing the format, cause there’s only so many times I can watch Man city v Real!

McCaff
April 19, 2024 1:21 pm

Awe Naw…I’ve nae time to get caught with you again today – but McLelland and Ogilvie? Any evidence? 🤣🤣🤣

AweNaw
April 19, 2024 1:23 pm

McCaff,

Selling the players they want to keep is a bigger problem. Maybe Brendan gets a bonus on those sales now instead of just the executive. Considering what is at stake this season. The sole arrival of Kuhn doesn’t bode well that anything has changed at the Celtic FC cash and carry.