Plastic

There are some things money can’t buy, for everything else there’s Mastercard.

 

Mastercard’s famous slogan, launched in 1997, immediately caught the public’s imagination. Who would have believed in this day and age 23 years later it would be such a winner for them.

 

However today in Scotland the spotlight is on a different sort of plastic used in the Scottish Premiership namely astro turf, and it’s been unanimously voted a loser.

 

Astro turf commonly made of nylon or polypropylene fibres is then dyed green, to make it look like grass, it can can also consist of polyester and latex.

 

The first Scottish team to install a synthetic pitch was Stirling Albion, in 1987. Then Dunfermline Athletic in 2003, who at the time were playing in the Scottish Premier League. In 2005, Dunfermline were made to remove their pitch and go back to playing on a natural grass surface following complaints from players and fears over an increased injury risk.

 

The trend of synthetic pitches in Scotland came about mainly because of revenue issues, as Scotland do not have the benefit of EPL riches or the Televised deals on offer to the cross border clubs, another factor was weather, games called off due to waterlogged or snowed out parks, and lastly the pitch being over used, and clubs having to pay for separate training venues.

 

The SPFL clubs who use astroturf for their pitches, do so, in the main, so it can be used or rented out for community based events each day of the week, and generate some added revenue.

 

Do these SPFL clubs such as Kilmarnock Hamilton and Livingston actually need to use their main pitch as a prime revenue source ? actually no they don’t.

 

If we take St Johnstone as a prime example to this theory, they have a very decent grass pitch, and outside their ground they have an astroturf pitch so they can have the benefit of making money from the community for open all week community events. Why don’t the others follow this great example, I mean it’s hardly rocket science.

 

There is the long held debate that using these surfaces gives home players an advantage, or injuries can happen more frequently on said surfaces, that it slows the game down etc.

 

What i can honestly say though, is that I have never seen a good game of football played on an astro turf pitch. They are a horrendous advertisement for Scotland’s premier football. There is absolutely, without any doubt whatsoever, no need at all for plastic pitches in Scotland, if we are to show our game in a better light we need to be rid of them once and for all.

 

These are all issues that should be, and should have been sorted by governing bodies, the SPFL, SFA, SG, all get big money for doing very little they should be the ones taking this issue to task, and providing grants, land, aid. They are the one that Scottish football rely on to get fair televised contracts and sponsorship money, you have to ask, why are they receiving big salaries for doing nothing to better the game in Scotland.

 

Is it any wonder the English refer to us as a mickey mouse league or a pub league, when we accept playing on this standard of playing surfaces ?

 

The use of synthetic pitches was banned in England in 1995. We yet again, due to our leadership, are many years behind.

 

Welcome to Scotland set your watch back one hour, and your calendar back 50 years.

 
 

The above by ASWGL.
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ASWGL

First class. When I were a lad-cue the Hovis music-Rugby Park was renowned for its playing surface. Best in the country. And probably the worst now.

Takes a fortnight to get rid of all those wee rubber balls when you play on one,and as I mentioned to AULDHEID the other night about Helenvale,I’ve still got shin splints from the early 80s.

Kenny Dalglish was right,and about that time too. There is no place for them.

Danny

Helenvale? Jeez, that brings back memories ..none of them great!

Anyone play any school cup finals @Roseberry? Now that was a big step up from our red ash pitch.

Twisty

The Orthopaedic Sports Medicine Centre carried out intensive studies into artificial turf some years ago . The study was over a long number of years and proved conclusively that the switch to artificial surfaces undoubtedly increased the number of injuries to participants . The report is lengthy as you’d expect so I’ll not bother reproducing it on here , but the purpose and conclusion was stated as

Purpose
“ To investigate the influence of an artificial turf field on sports injuries in a university soccer team.“

Conclusion
“ The results of this study indicated that after the conversion of the soccer field from soil to artificial turf in 2007, there was a significant increase in the incidence of upper extremity trauma. After the refurbishing of the artificial turf with additional rubber chips in 2013, the incidence of lower extremity muscle strains significantly declined. When considering measures to prevent sports injuries experienced during university soccer play, we believe it is necessary to base those measures on the fact that artificial turf undergoes changes to its condition”

Why these types of reports are not enough to have these surfaces prohibited is beyond me. With so much focus on Health and Safety you’d think it was a no brainer.

ASWGL nails it in the article I guess. £$€¥

jimthetim53

Good morning all and Packy.

Fine article ASWGL, I don’t think there will be any posters who disagree with you.
I wonder why the supporters of eg. Kilmarnock, Livi. and Hamilton don’t put pressure on their clubs to get rid of the plastic pitches. I would find it embarrassing if it were me. Knowing that your pitch is laughed at, at best, or hated for all the worst reasons. Encourages inferior football and is potentially dangerous. At the risk of sounding capitalist, it is not the job of a professional football club to provide training facilities for the local community. That should be for the local councils. There’s plenty a club can do locally but not their main playing surface up for grabs even if there is a moderate income stream.

As for the SFA & SPFL, what else can you expect?

Garry

Well said ASWGL.
I feel the same about playing fitba on astroturf, as I would if someone offered me astroturf to smoke, instead of God given grass. No way Josè.

Garry

Why did six of the best article not appear on my phone till this morning?
Were you all talking about me? 🤣😂

jimthetim53

Garry the site went bat shit crazy yesterday during the move over to the new host’s servers.

Garry

JTT53
Yes Jim. Working very efficiently this morning, the site. Fingers crossed, it remains like that. Greetings from very sunny Dalmuir. Was a bit of a storm last night. Perfect today.

Garry

I really hope that we are not selling Wizard of Oz Tom Rogic, and not for the quoted £4 million. At the peak of his powers, he is the most naturally gifted player in our squad, and my favourite player to watch. Why our coaching staff cannot get TR fit and consistently so, is a mystery to me.
Want Tom to stay with us for the rest of his career. Get him fit and he is our maverick game winner in tight, close matches.

jimthetim53

Danny, the only experience I have of a red ash pitch was at primary school. I shudder to think of it. They would get done for child cruelty nowadays! 🙂

Twisty

Danny
A fit Tom Rogic would have been useful v Killie. Someone who can unlock defences with his trickery.

Mind you, for me, I’m still desperate to see a powerful defender arrive.

Friesdorfer

Good Morning all
Artificial/synthetic pitches: down with that sort of thing….
Have a great day one and all.
HH

Twisty

How long have we been cheated?

10 years?

30 years?

Forever?

Well at least this long:

https://twitter.com/lilze85/status/1296220398720172035?s=12

Friesdorfer

Twisty
Yes indeed. Now that clip does stand the test of time.
HH

Danny

Twisty, that is still one of the most astonishing things I’ve seen on a football pitch. There is only one way to interpret that! A bitter dob of a ref.

Friesdorfer

My goodness me, the posting time is like lightning 🌩 very very frightening, and all the better for it. Well done bhoys 👍 Now, if we could only get the comments box at the bottom… (only kidding 😉).
HH

Garry

Twisty
I would have knocked that hun ref out.
Given him something to send me off for.
Would have been sine died from fitba, but worth it. Still mental to see that 43 years later.

Bigrailroadblues

Good morning all from Govanhill.

Garry

BRRB
Good morning J, from warm and sunny Dalmuir. Taps aff and shorts on weather. Nae storm Ellen here.

Twisty

Danny – Garry

Aye – whit wiz it Winston said on Still Game?

A guid scheme bootin he needed 😁

Garry

Twisty
Paul Riley who played Winston, is a right good Tim. He knows the score.

Bigrailroadblues

Wanted to go to Donegal to look at a few houses. Visitors from the UK have to quarantine for 14 days so that’s oot ra windae. 😏

Garry

BRRB
Good job you are in Govanhill and not Donegal. West Coast of Eirè getting battered by Storm Ellen today. Reports of structural damage and power down. Positively balmy on Costa Clyde in comparison.

jimthetim53

Didn’t realise Denayer was playing for Lyon now, I must have missed that. I wish we had him back at Celtic. Apparently he went for c£5 or 6m. even we could have afforded that!

Bigrailroadblues

Garry, even the Star Bar loses its charm sometimes. 😂. Ireland 🇮🇪 presents an opportunity for Johnny to pursue more elderly fun and frolics. 😜

Friesdorfer

Always rated Denayer. How we could do with him now. Played very well in both quarters and semis. Lyon had chances twas ever thus. Should be a great final on Sunday, with Bayern hopefully blowing PSG away: especially Naemark, class player that he is, but is just such an eejit (on the pitch anyway).
HH

Billy Bhoy

ASWGL

I totally agree with you about plastic pitches. Why, only this week it was heartbreaking to see multi million rated superstars like Kent and Haji at Livingston look like they’d be better suited to playing with Rob Roy.

I’m not sure though that Livi, Hamilton and Killie would be able to easily replicate what St J have. They were fortunate to be able to sell their stadium and get a new one with additional facilities on the outskirts of Perth.

I actually look out for the Livi and Hamilton result every week in the hope that they lose as the sooner we get them out of the League the better. For some reason I’m not so anxious about Killie although I can’t explain why.

Garry

JTT53
I remember the fitba ‘experts’ posting on CQN that Jason Denayer was too wee to be a centre back, and that Virgil Van Dijk was too right footed to play in the left of a central defence. How did that work out? 😜😂

bada bing1

Rumour Rogic to Brighton as part of Duffy deal

Garry

Bada
I think that rumour is this :-

https://g.co/kgs/jVYiwZ

McCaff

Morning all from a bit of a blustery Renfrew….are you in a micro weather system in Dalmuir, Garry? 🙂
Helenvale! First astro pitch I ever played on and couldn’t believe the size of it!! I played left wing and had hunners of space to work in…unfortunately I couldnae trap a bag of cement so spent the whole game running my erse aff for no reward!!
JtT…how are you Jim, well I hope? Re the Community use of Club’s astro pitches…by making it a Community facility the clubs get access to all sorts of local and national (and Euro as was funding) so it can be extremely beneficial to have astro in use 7 days a week for the benefit af more than just the team! I was involved with the youth section of the local Juniors who had an astro pitch. The manufacturers/installers had recommended it could be used so many hours per week and should also be raked regularly. I don’t know the details but suffice to say the pitch, which is top quality btw, for the first couple of years was overused and under-maintained. This led to a huge remedial bill to bring the pitch back to top quality standard. But here’s the main point…the pitch under recommended usage and maintenance only had a life expectancy of 8 years! And costs £250k to replace. If these details are pertinent to Accies, Killie and Livi etc then the ptiches are definitely not fit for purpose. And if that is the case the game’s governors should be enforcing a proper standard if the pitches are to be allowed!
If you’ve 90 minutes to spare have a wee watch at this, well worth a look…..

Garry

McCaff
God shines on the Righteous in Republican Dalmuir 😊👍🍀💚🇮🇪

McCaff

I’d be sad to see Tommy Rogic go, a beautiful fitba player for all his injuries. On the Open Goal vid I just posted, KT delivers a throwaway line about when he was injured and taking injections to allow him to play Rogic’s told him not to play, just to get himself fit. An insight into Rogic’s psyche and personal wellbeing perhaps!

McCaff

Garry, that explains a lot about a lot of things over this side of the watter then!! Poor Renfrew Burghers!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

McCaff

Jeez, comments loading superfast today! That last one went up before I decided what to write!!!! How’s that work then? 😉 🙂 🙂

McCaff

Garry, i tohught I’d saved your number but it seems I haven’t! Can you text me, please!

jimthetim53

Hiya McCaff, I’m well hope you are too. It’s unbelievable how fast the comments are posting today after the past few days! I think Packy’s out for a long walk with the dugs 🙂

jimthetim53

Regarding Packy, when Afghan said his ‘goodbye’ to the site last night it was vague. Packy seems to have picked up the vibes that it might have been over a disagreement on football matters with Fan. He therefore tried to reconcile them, be a peacemaker, his intentions were good. i know for a fact he is very fond of Afghan & Fan.

McCaff

For Garry in sunny Dalmuir…
https://youtu.be/0qanF-91aJo

Garry

Song for McCaff.
My GCHQ paranoia tune 😜😂

https://g.co/kgs/ywUXHn

McCaff

JtT…Afghani will be back, he loves Puff D and the Nightshifters too much to stay away!!!

McCaff

Great tune, Garry from one of the great bands of the 80s /90s!!

jimthetim53

Here’s hoping McCaff, I think he misses that banter.

Chalmersbhoy

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St j. V dons.
Put your score up on last link
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JIMTHETIM53

Agreed,mate. Dunno what the problem was,but I hope Afghan gets back on here PDQ.

Garry

McCaff
James are the last live band I saw at The Hydro.
Really miss live concerts.

https://g.co/kgs/F6TwM1

Rebus67

I was fortunate to only play once on an artificial surface. My memory of it was the unnatural bounce of the ball. Firstly, it bounced higher than normal and secondly, it would bounce at unpredictable angles. So, high balls into and over the opposition defence was the way to go.

When I lived in Saskatchewan, I followed the Roughriders and they placed on an artificial surface which produced many injuries. There were three problems with it….two of them serious. Firstly, players’ feet would stick in the turf, so when a player was tackled ankles were turned. Secondly, there was little give in the surface, so that when you went down with somebody on top of you, the impact on your body was greater. Hence the shin splints that Bobby mentioned. The third, less serious issue, was turf burns as the player slid along the surface.

The key to lessening the first two problems was the type of base used. Initially, concrete or gravel bases were used, making falls high impact. The later use of sand lessened this effect although more maintenance was necessary for this type of base. Sand could also be spread on the surface to lessen turf burns and provide a more buoyant surface.

However, these surfaces are always poor substitutes for grass.

Red gravel or blaze….you were lucky! I started off on slag pitches where the slag was obtained from the detritus of furnaces. I still have bits of it in both knees! I recall the red blaze used to produce infected wounds if you were not very careful! We had one assistant coach who seemed to like treating these wounds a bit too much…..removing bits of gravel and applying iodine whilst caressing your leg. I can still see his vaselined, slicked back hair on his mis-shaped head. But tgat would be another story!

Rebus

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REBUS67

Sound like I got off lightly with shin splints!

Garry

Rebus
Were the slag pitches you played on, our local pitches in Temple and Dawsholm?
The pitches at Temple are away, and fenced off now. They were created on top of old mineshafts, and a few years ago, some cars parked at the side of the Temple pitches, collapsed into the old mines.

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