Ban International Football Now !

Morning,all.

 

I don’t know what’s worse-being in the middle of a Covid lockdown or being in the middle of an international fortnight. Neither is a barrel of laughs,that’s for sure. Still,I’ll console myself with thoughts of Bolton v Salford tomorrow night…

 

There are a few things of interest at the moment,of course. After all,the world hasn’t stopped turning-it just seems that way. The most relevant to us is that Neil Lennon is still the Celtic manager,so it certainly looks as though the brass are gonna brass it out unless or until they decide that his position is untenable. This is known in business terms as a Hail Mary and isn’t highly recommended at any level. While many of us thought that NL had already had his chances and more importantly shown little indication of changing his methods,the powers that be have clearly decided differently. That means that in all likelihood they will either be right-which we all hope!-or wrong,and at a stage where it is too late to do anything about it.

 

I’ll refrain from giving my opinions as to why that might be. Neil is the manager,that looks like it won’t change in the immediate future,and so he has our 100% support. Hopefully others closer to the club can put 100% into it too.

 

Once again during an international break,there are outbreaks of Covid to contend with. Some countries are missing players because of the pandemic while others are testing positive when they arrive to meet their colleagues. The Republic of Ireland and Israel are only two countries to report that,and the ones with most potential impact on us. Our two Israelis have previously tested positive so should be fine,while the Republic player has not as far as I know been identified. Where this could impact on the club is if any of our three players are forced to isolate as a result. Who knows-after all,rules were made up on the hoof earlier to prevent Ryan Christie appearing against the huns despite observing social distancing,while Kieran Tierney’s isolation period was cut short to enable him to play on the same weekend.

 

Maybe Arsenal threatened to withdraw him from future squads? Maybe it’s about time we did that-and in fact did more than merely issue the threat. Too late now,of course-at least until March. The usual application of The Celtic Rule has been brought into play as we are judged by the double standards we know so well while our highly paid office bearers suck it up.

 

“We are Celtic,supine Celtic!”

 

We can only hope that all of our internationalists return fit,that’s about it really. Some state of affairs.

 

And just to show how ridiculous the entire notion of even playing internationals at this time is-and I’m not even gonna mention the raft of pointless and potentially dangerous friendlies played last night-England have an important home qualifier against The Mighty Iceland next week. But they can’t play it at Wembley because Iceland play in Denmark at the weekend and are therefore denied entry to the country. So the decision has been taken to play it in Albania. Or is it Germany? Or is it Cloud Cuckoo Land? I dunno,the story seems to change every time I click onto my laptop. Other games have already been postponed of course,in a turn of events that admittedly no-one could have foreseen-like players contracting a disease during a bloody pandemic!

 

Honestly,if someone had told me a year ago that something like this was going to happen,I’d have confiscated his drink and got him a taxi home. But there is no excuse for not acting on what is right in front of you and happening under your very nose. And that has filled the front pages of newspapers for nine months now. The authorities need to wise up about all this and stop endangering players.

 

And that’s before I even mention the burden that losing those players puts on their employers,the clubs. It is difficult enough to keep players in a “bubble” at club level-even if FIFA/UEFA insist on it. It is impossible when the same authorities demand that those players leave that bubble to play meaningless international matches which long ago lost the interest of most of the fans.

 

Ban international football now!

 


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Dharma Bam

Amen!
Someone is holding a big financial stick to ensure international matches go ahead.

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I reckon that when high-profile players start to rebel against the number of games they are expected to play,only then will common sense prevail. Yes,I know that they are being paid obscene amounts of money but they are being stretched to the limits of human endurance.

There was a specialist in sports medical science interviewed the other day,he reckons that players are increasingly needing knee and hip replacement ops in their 30s,something which was rare even for former players in their 60s. And of course there is the spate of soft tissue injuries recently which I expect to become more prevalent if this schedule continues.

Meanwhile,one top player has spoken out,and I hope he gets significant support.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8938437/Toni-Kroos-tears-FIFA-UEFA-treating-footballers-like-puppets.html

Bobby, Maybe not the best comparison but, remember it was only a few decades ago that newly qualified doctors were expected to work 100+ hours per week in hospital A&E depts.? To gain their stripes. Eventually the medical profession and the government (Labour) took steps to limit this. It was bad for their health, physically and mentally. Mistakes were happening on the front line due to exhaustion.

I don’t know how long it will take pro. footballers to draw a line. Working against them is – they are young, feel invincible, it’s a short career to make your money, they are not really unionised. They tend not to think of the longer term bigger picture.

One thing is for sure, the money men want to milk every last pint from them, feck the consequences! They won’t progress any limitations or initiatives.

Leagues, Cups, Europe, Internationals, Friendlies. Long gone are the days of <40 games pa for tier one players.

On top of that, here in Scotland, our (Celtic) players are endangered even more by the agricultural nature of our opposition players encouraged by their managers, the refereeing community, the silence of the media, the silence of our Board (money men) and ultimately the SFA.

Thetic

I am hesitant Even with a mask to go out and buy food , I can’t imagine sitting locked in a plane with 200 passengers .Staying in a foreign hotel with staff who you have no idea what hygiene protocols they are expected to meet. No thanks, the players Unions have to step forward , if the Olympics can be canceled so can meaningless games in these Covid conditions
And one other thing before I go to sleep I remember RD complaining about our players fitness levels and their eating habits when he arrived. Maybe he was right

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As it stands,I reckon that bar a huge priced winner there are maybe nine entrants competing for the final three places at the top. So time to concentrate just that bit harder! BTW,I wish I hadn’t talked myself out of REGAL ENCORE two weeks ago at 14/1. Put it on my L/15 anaw…

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THETIC

When I was on the tube in London a few weeks ago,about 50% of the people in my small compartment weren’t wearing masks. Rank stupidity,and bloody selfish too. At least flights insist on these measures.

That still doesn’t make the idea of putting people needlessly in harm’s way by forcing them to take commercial flights halfway around the world. How far has Laxalt had to travel,and how many different flights? Bloody nonsense.

bada bing1

From previous thread,Dick Donnelly was the reporter from a dark,dreich,Dundee…

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JIMTHETIM53

Yes,I remember that well. It was a real eyeopener for most of us at the time. Absolutely ridiculous to flog people to death,especially when they are doing that job!

My niece is in her final year of medicine at Glasgow-and CELTICROLLERCOASTER’s daughter is halfway through at Dundee-and I’m glad they don’t have to go through that. Mind you,it can’t be an awful lot more than their schedule while studying. Honestly,when you add in placements,lectures and the necessary library time,you get some bloody exhausted teenagers.

It’s a punishing course,that’s for sure.

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BADABING

You guys have got a better memory than me! Mind,I didn’t pay much attention to the reports from other games. That only happened after the fixed odds coupons became a thing.

Bobby, many years ago I knew two brothers from Cumbernauld who were studying Medicine at Glasgow. The stereotype of Uni. students being lazy hard drinking chancers couldn’t have been more wrong with these two. They spent most week-ends in The Royal Infirmary! (Not as patients!)

Ayrshire Bhoy

𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐉𝐨𝐜𝐤 𝐒𝐭𝐞𝐢𝐧 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐲 𝐨𝐧 𝐡𝐨𝐰 𝐂𝐞𝐥𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐢𝐜𝐨𝐧 𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐢𝐞𝐝 𝐚 𝐝𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐭 𝐟𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩 𝐀𝐫𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐞 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐩𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐚 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐚𝐭 𝐒𝐭𝐞𝐢𝐧’𝐬 𝐣𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐲 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐒𝐜𝐨𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐬𝐡 𝐟𝐨𝐨𝐭𝐛𝐚𝐥𝐥’𝐬 𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐬.
When Jock Stein rose from the bench and limped towards the corner flag, with a few minutes still remaining in the 1967 European Cup Final in Lisbon, he looked like a man supremely confident enough to allow his side to click on to auto-pilot. For the Inter Milan players now looked traumatised, even though they were only 2-1 down. And from what I could see from my stance, their manager Helenio Herrera was slumped on his bench in an admission of defeat that made him look as if he were suffering from piles. Yet that scene was deceptive. For the following morning Stein admitted the tension had got to him. Nerves had prompted that casual stroll. And in a sense that admission of a chink in his armour gave us a hint of what I was to discover myself eventually, that the ex-miner who was born in Burnbank, Lanarkshire, on 5 October 1922, was a much more complex man than his steely outward appearance suggested. Although it is clear that football had steered an invaluable course for him through life from the very outset. It is a matter of historic coincidence that he made his senior football debut for Albion Rovers in 1942 against the very club he would ultimately raise to great heights, as this local newspaper report verifies: “Rovers had a trialist in their raw lanky junior centre-half, the ponderousness of his counterpart John McPhail cost Celtic two goals.” In later years I asked Stein if he recalled that debut. “It was four each,” he replied instantly. In the media we would discover his memory served him well when taking account of each of us, sometimes to our sorrow. And sorrow was definitely his mood when he had to leave his home patch and play in non-league football for Llanelli in Wales in 1950. What followed is a scenario that might have been rejected as an entirely implausible script for a television drama. Here is a man steeped in the Rangers culture who marries across the religious divide, despite local tribal discontent but then, incredibly, ends up with the very club that had been furthest from his sympathy as a youth. Joining Celtic in December 1951, neither excited their supporters overmuch nor placated Stein’s friends who simply, cruelly, deserted him. On that basis, eventually becoming the club’s captain and helping them win the Coronation Cup Final on May 1953 and the League and Scottish Cup double in 1954, was a massive personal achievement However, he was never to forget his background which, paradoxically, became a great motivator for him, especially when facing Rangers. It was to his benefit when he moved to Dunfermline as manager on March 14, 1960, after it had been made starkly clear to him that he could rise no further than reserve coach at Parkhead, because of his religious identity. Under him the Pars won the Scottish Cup for the first time, beating his former club 2-1 after extra-time in 1961. And when he parted for Hibernian three years later he gave Easter Road one of its greatest nights when they beat Real Madrid 2-0 in 1964, with one of Stein’s all-time favourite players, Willie Hamilton, outshining Ferenc Puskas and Francisco Gento. Celtic, in desperate straits, made a move for a man now much sought after in England but he rejected their first two attempts to coax him back, until in the third he got what he wanted, complete overall control. Stein stepped back inside Celtic Park on March 9, 1965. It’s as well reminding ourselves of what then followed in the succeeding years – nine consecutive league titles, six League Cup Final victories, eight Scottish Cup Final wins, the European Cup in 1967, runners-up in 1970, and runners up in the World Club Championship in 1967. These are staggering statistics considering that in March 1965 Celtic looked like a club drifting aimlessly into the future. Stein came to the job not only as coaching innovator and with ample wiles in how to handle men but also as a skilled politician with an ability to manipulate the media in an age when he thought too much attention was paid to the other side of the city. Players responded enthusiastically to this new dynamism. His captain Billy McNeill, who scored with a header with nine minutes remaining to win Stein’s first trophy, the Scottish Cup, against Dunfermline in 1965, was the binding factor for all the manager’s schemes on the field. He was also blessed with other talented players who had been classic underachievers until he arrived. His handling of them could veer between astute benevolence and outright intimidation. For the great Jimmy Johnstone he had to adopt a whole series of rewards and punishments to quell Jinky’s errant ways and to maximise his talents – famously promising not to take him to Belgrade for a return leg of the European Cup game because of the winger’s fear of flying. Jinky obligingly ran riot, scoring twice in a 5-1 devastation of Red Star in 1968. However, even allowing for all the domestic domination over a decade, it is Europe and particularly season 1966-67 that has enshrined Stein. Steering Celtic to become the first British side to win the European Cup elevated him to the top rank that at the beginning of that season would have seemed an outrageous proposition. But when I commentated on McNeill scoring with the header in the last minute against Vojvodina in the quarter-final on March 8, 1967, to win the tie, I felt there was such a surge of momentum behind them that it would take something very special to topple them. Dukla Prague could not do that in the semi-final and neither eventually could the defensive obduracy of Inter on that fateful afternoon in Lisbon. That unique achievement helped soften the critical blows Stein received after an extra-time loss to Feyenoord 2-1 in the European Cup in Milan in 1970. The players themselves were clear he had grossly underestimated the opposition that night. But carrying a chronic heart condition, narrowly avoiding death in a car crash outside Lockerbie in 1975, parting with Celtic in 1978 on less than amicable terms, and that same year enduring a briefly embarrassing tenure as Leeds manager, clouded that aura of invincibility which had surrounded him for so long. So when he took the Scotland post in 1978 it filled a vacuum in his life. It was a job. The Celtic post had been much more of a cause. The difference was stark. The ageing process, and that lack of the kind of emotion that drove him on at Celtic Park, meant his international track record was moderate, even though he qualified us for the World Cup of 1982. He might have reached Mexico 1986 but for his tragic death by pitchside in Cardiff in 1985. That night as I walked the streets I met distraught Scottish supporters. I interviewed one tartan-clad man who said tearfully to me: “We would rather be out of the World Cup and have big Jock back.” Stein had lost the ultimate battle but for a man who had bravely faced down sectarianism, he had won what he had always aimed for, hearts and minds.

Ayrshire Bhoy

Side note to previous post ‘The 3 Kings’ available to buy from Monday. I would advise not reading any comments if you see this advertised on Facebook etc infested with huns pouring bile out.

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AYRSHIREBHOY

Thanks for posting that,mate. Archie clearly held Jock in high regard and that is clear not only from the passage above but also from his excellent biography a few years back of The Great Man.

McCaff

Morning all…possibly the most concise condensed version of Stein’s career that I’ve ever read! Nice one, Ayrshire Bhoy!👍

Oglach

Paul Elliot being praised by England manager Southgate

“The next FA chair should share the qualities Paul Elliott has shown during his time in the organisation”

Hope he has stopped using all them big words that not only confused those of us listening to his game analysis but also confused the ‘bejaysus’ out of the theoretical lexicographers of the Oxford English dictionary.

Oglach

Bobby

Why don’t the players decline the call ups? Nothing forcing them to go if they don’t want to. Football associations need to be careful as i can imagine that in the not to distant future most of the top echelon of players will not wish to, and probably decline, to play international football if the seeming never end of pointless games and tournaments continues. Top players are probably more interested in prolonging their career and earnings. Shouldn’t have any effect on Eire or Alba – feck all elite players 😂

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OGLACH

That day surely cannot be too far off,mate.

bada bing1

Oglach- I always think Elliott speaks too quickly, and doesn’t have a great grasp of English, when he signed for us he said the Celtic fans were ‘ notorious’…..

bada bing1

People will not be allowed to drink alcohol on trains or at stations in Scotland from Monday, ScotRail has announced.

It said the temporary policy had been put in place to support public health measures and keep people safe during the Covid pandemic.

Mike in Toronto

Bada

If you want a drink with your pals, don’t take the train …. take a plane .., or at least the airport lounge

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8928569/Friends-avoid-Ireland-lockdown-buying-9-99-flights-drink-Dublin-Airport-without-boarding.html

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MIKEINTORONTO

If the airport bars are still open in Dublin,I’d get a return ticket at those prices!

The Scotland game is on the Pick channel (35) tonight, if anyone’s interested! 🙂

big packy

AFTERNOON all and JIM, lets get behind our boys tonight, FFS they need it😍 i remember watching scotland late sixties early seventies when going into an england game at wembley we would be favorites, such a shame now we go behind the couch when we play san marino 😍just lets see what steve clarke can do, for goodness sake he comes from solkitts sorry i mean saltcoats, he is also the same age as me 57,dont let jimthetim bmcuw or solkitts tell you any different😍😍

Packy, I agree there should be no International games on at the moment, but I’m not going to lie, I will watch it!

ps, I thought you were only 47?

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BIGPACKY

I see Stevie Clarke is bigging up Ollie McBurnie for tonight. Wi any luck,that fact should give Griff a much-needed kick up the arse.

big packy

JIM ,no unfortunately i was born in 1963,, horrible year, the first catholic president of the united states died from his wounds in parkland hospital,,dont ask me how i know that because i would only have been about 6 months old then,,another true story😍

big packy

BOBBY, ollie mcburnie, FFS he could not lace the griffs boots,IMHO 😍

I was hoping the Griff would get a game tonight and score a hat trick!

big packy

JIM, lets get our tartan scarves out tonight,just for the fact that bmcuw went to school with steve clarke, two proud tims, well i know one of them is😍

Packy, I got a hair cut yesterday. My first one in a Turkish barbers! He put two warm sticks up my nose with wax on them. Changed my style to a side shed. I looked in the mirror and thought I looked like Adolph Hitler 🙁
However once he pulled the sticks out (ouch!) and I put my glasses back on I was fine! Heil Heil

big packy

JIM wee joan cuts mine, it takes her 10 seconds😍😍

Does she cut it in the garage? Do you get a bath too?

CaltonTongues

Evening All,

C’mon Serbia, do they feckers 4-0 😎

C.T. I take it you’ve got a bet on? 🙂

Mahe

Morning folks,
Cmon Scotland!!!

TGM,
Very interesting thoughts yesterday on our majority shareholders ancestry.
Descended from implanters would make no surprise to me.

As an aside now I think back to the different characteristics within my group of friends, we are probably much more culturally diverse than we realised.
From the well built Fitzpatrick to the darker skinned swarthy Lavery, Lee,Hannaway and Woods, tall and thin King and Black, pale as ghost Albino almost O’Toole.
All of these were scattered among what I would consider obviously natives, short and stocky blue eyed boys, prone to balding early. I admit to being a prime example of the latter 😉

However a small comment of yours really caught my eye and imagination.
“The Old Firm wouldn’t catch on in Dublin” or words to that effect.
That really does say something big.
The OF and it’s acceptance in Belfast and Derry is obviously a remnant of our troubled times, and both communities seen one side or the other as their representatives of course.
One only need look at riot footage to witness the scattered Hoops tops.
Though the ‘peaceline’ is still there, and both sides still tend not to freely mingle, that should end with time, which in my opinion will unify the nation offering the descendants of those who came by way of implantation a fair and equal share in a forward thinking nation not smothered by religion or bound by the chains of history.

In essence, the conditions that allow the OF to not only exist but thrive in pockets of the North, are slowly fading.
But those conditions simply do not exist in Dublin, as you imply.

Firstly I’m delighted the OF would be shunned there as its a terrible mindset that does nothing for humanity in this changing world. The South is much more multi cultural than than the six counties, and revelling in ones religion at the expense of another would be mighty strange given that there’s only one dominant strain with no minority to Lord over, and that strain has seen itself tainted through recent events.
Also the GAA offers a much purer sporting experience which helps the community and nation, not to mention is very much cheaper and less time consuming than following the Tic.
Not travelling also helps the earth through less carbon emissions.

Insights like your own, allied with the fact the North itself is slowly morphing into a multicultural society less enamoured with the traditional norms, tells me that in backing the Old Firm they have backed the wrong horse here.

There is clearly a growing percentage of Sellic fans who do not agree with the path chosen, giving rise to sites like this one.
Not tackling bent refs, allowing plastic pitches, kettling fans etc etc merely serves to highlight a set up that is mired in that past, backward looking with zero wish for transparency, and will not entice the next generation, hardest ever to capture.

When I view the club through this prism, it’s hard not to worry about the future.
In my humble opinion a path befitting our history and stature that excites the core support should be prioritised, but I see zero signs that this view is shared by those in power, which is the most worrying of all.
Consolidating the hold over those fans ‘captured’ is the path towards slow strangulation, yet that looks the direction to me.
It’s well noticed we as a club are much to reactive, as opposed to the proactive approach I would prefer.

Dermot himself I find condescending, stating opinions on the clubs behalf rather than making clear they are his own.
Regarding our rivals he presided over the club whilst the biggest sporting scandal in British history not only took place, but was successful in all its aims.
He and his board were perhaps the key component in that success.
Sporting integrity died under Dermots watch, Res12 happened, honest mistakes happened, the split is growing, then ten may well be blown.
All from being in Seville with a team to be so very proud of.
In no way shape or form can I see how Dermots custodianship has helped Glasgow Celtic to push forward.
It’s clearly his way or the highway, democracy be damned, money comes first, shut up and pay up which keeps the extravagant lifestyle and golf with friends flowing.
Somehow we found Irelands very own Donald Trump, but unlike here he can’t be voted out, and power is something men tend not to give up history tends to show. Anyone turning on the tv or reading the news this last week will have seen the effect it has on people playing out live and direct from the globes epicentre of political and military power, the Whitehouse itself which is not immune to men’s lust now despite starting out that way.
Will Dermot use every trick in the book to stay in situ?

Thanks for the history lesson and keep em coming please.
Hail Hail

big packy

JIM, no bath, but yes in the grooming room, its not a garage now,😍😍

CaltonTongues

jimthetim53,

No bet on, don’t gamble.

Just hate the Scottish National Team/SFA.

HH

Mahe you should have kept that post for an article. Bravo.

big packy

MAHE as jim just said, that is an article in itself👍

C.T. I understand what you mean. It’s very common in football for teams to be tainted by their owners/associations. It’s why so many watch & support the on field action & try to blank out the off field stuff. Celtic being the perfect example. I’ll do that tonight with Scotland. Support the players & manager.

big packy

JIM, yes i hate the sfa as much as anyone, but ill never back another team against scotland.👍

Margaret McGill

International football in this time of covid is an outrage. It’s another reason I hope covid wipes out the sport. There’s a lot of Arabs to be milked in Qatar and that’s the main reason in my opinion international football continues and another covid killer hopefully

Mahe

Thanks for the Jock article Ayrshire bhoy.

Jim, a kind chap already provided tomorrows article 😉
Besides I could talk about my country all night, or just talk all night if you will 😉
Hope you and Big Packy are well.
The Turkish barbers use the burning straws to burn the hair in your nose I thought?

Hail Hail

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JIMTHETIM53

A Turkish barber did that to me once too. And once only,I might add. Difficult to get a side shed when my hair was standing on end.

Thetic

Mahe most of the world is becoming multi cultural. I see it here in Vancouver and really noticed a big difference in Edinburgh as compared to Glasgow the last time I was there Hopefully the mix brings the best of people and not like when Cuba emptied their jails and gave the prisoners free passage out of the country along with the political prisoners were the less than desirable who were in the mix
When immigrants land in a country they tend to live and work in the same area and find the same employers, the next generation spread out and eventually neighborhoods lose their cultural flavour and another wave of immigrants from a different culture arrive and it starts again
When there is an immigration policy and a country gets to cherry-pick who Enters you find there is a brain drain from the departed country
I am not saying religion,education,wealth or other factors determinal how successful immigrants make out in their new country what I am saying is it makes the new adopted country stronger as the new immigrants have to work harder just to get on the conveyor belt and are probably very productive
As I am from an immigrant family I have experienced the trauma of leaving your homeland and trying to adapt to new education, law and societal customs I was lucky to be English speaking and my dad chose Canada, a very open and welcoming Country. I think Canada more reflects the words on Ellis Island than the USA does. There is prejudice and religious intolerance all over the world ,it is highlighted in Glasgow by two teams , who are wearing It thin when it is looked upon in the world stage. Celtic supporters have definitely an undercurrent movement on their blogs pushing their custodians to come with them to change and break the chains that bind ,hopefully someone is listening

Oglach

Mahe

“will unify the nation offering the descendants of those who came by way of implantation a fair and equal share in a forward thinking nation not smothered by religion or bound by the chains of history”

Have to disagree with you there a chara. In regards of the ‘Ulster Scots or plantation stock’ the hand of friendship has been proffered and violently rebuffed by that particular community since before the time of Tone and FitzGerald and the few others of ‘plantation stock’ who transcended the religious divide with the United Irishmen to lead the Rebellion of 1798.
“To unite the whole people of Ireland, to abolish the memory of all past dissensions, and to substitute the common name of Irishman in place of the denominations of Protestant, Catholic and Dissenter”
The Proclamation of 1916 defined the rights of all Irishmen – Protestant and Catholic
“cherishing all the children of the nation equally”
The Civil Rights movement of the 1960s was for all in the North of the Island. Our Republican dead were carried to their graves draped in a flag that represents peace and unity between the green and orange traditions of the Island yet only a tiny percentage of the descendants of the plantation have stood side by side with us. Can’t ever see that changing and there is little evidence to suggest that it will in fact it seems the opposite is happening and that particular community is becoming more entrenched within their siege mentality if that is possible. I fear rather than willingly joining us in helping to create a modern forward thinking Ireland fit for all eventually demographics will ensure that they are very reluctantly ‘forced’ into a United Ireland.

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OGLACH

“In regards of the ‘Ulster Scots or plantation stock’ the hand of friendship has been proffered and violently rebuffed by that particular community since before the time of Tone and FitzGerald and the few others of ‘plantation stock’ who transcended the religious divide with the United Irishmen to lead the Rebellion of 1798.”

There wouldn’t have been many Catholics in a position to do much in 1798 as they were largely disenfranchised. Most of the leaders were Protestant,yet in the north of the country,people of that religion were against it. All very strange,really.

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THETIC

There’s little doubt that Canada is probably the most welcoming English speaking country for immigrants,especially now. The anti-immigration policies of most of the others are a stain.

I often wonder which direction Scotland will take in the future in terms of sectarianism and division. On a personal level I have rarely encountered it apart from Orange walks and ‘Old Firmism’.

Since the 1970s esp. mixed marriages & partnerships have went through the roof. There must be few of us who do not have relatives from the other side! Even marriage itself is going out of fashion!

On top of that, religious belief & observance has declined dramatically on both sides. It’s not an identifier much these days if your under 40!

The local Catholic primary school where I live now have many pupils who are not Catholic. What long term effect will that have on pupils?

People say that the Scottish ‘Establishment’ is biased. Is that not more a Masonic thing? Even they are are declining. The two masonic lodges where I live both closed in the past twenty years.

It’s obviously a different story in Ireland.

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JIMTHETIM53

They only told you that they closed!

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