Bring It On!

Morning,all.

I had intended that today’s article would deal with the possibility of a long-overdue upgrade to facilities in The Main Stand, but there are a number of reasons why I’ve decided against that in the meantime. 

Firstly, let me be clear that I am talking about an upgrade to facilities, and not a major rebuild of that relic of a bygone era. The cost of such an event would be prohibitive, and we no longer live in the days of zero-interest rate charges. The Return On Investment on this would be minimal and long-term before turning a profit, and that’s before we even consider the logistics of moving over 8000 supporters into an already sold-out venue. Or the loss of revenue in so doing of around £10m pa. 

Additionally, the lower height of the existing facility actually affords the playing surface more hours of direct sunlight, something that is already at a premium in Scotland. We could end up with an 80,000 seat facility to watch a mudbath reminiscent of The Baseball Ground in its 1970s heyday, and watching on MOTD is as close as I ever want to get to that. And that’s before we even think about the mess we seem to be making of the much smaller scale redevelopment at Barrowfield. 

No,we are likely to be stuck for some time with the anomaly that our Main Stand is actually our minor stand, holding as it does only around one in eight of the fans in attendance. But there is no reason why the facilities in the old place should be stuck in the 70s when it was last upgraded. Indeed, those facilities would shame even that era, and the addition of running hot and cold water in the toilets shouldn’t even need to be requested. You can bet it will be the subject of questions from the floor at today’s AGM. It always is,but it shouldn’t need to be. 

Not should the question of our Hampden allocations need to be addressed there, but it most certainly does. No club plays more often in the SFA/SPFL showpiece games than Celtic, but no club grants its rank and file fans such a low percentage of their ticket allocation either. Where do the rest of the tickets go? Well, we all know the answer to that one, for the club makes no secret of it. Every such game is soon followed by an advert via club media and mailing lists telling us that for the princely sum of around £350 we can have a guaranteed ticket for the match, no ballots required! That the ticket itself has a face value of around £40 isn’t mentioned, but hey-you get a couple of pints and a pie as well. Honestly, it’s The Sale Of The Century!!!

To more mundane things like the football itself, and these are the things that really matter to us. The monthly interruptions for international football that we see every autumn are over until spring. The September one came when we were on a roll, as did the recent one now completed, but there is little doubt that we needed the break afforded us by their equivalent in October. We now go on a run of playing every weekend and midweek until the beginning of February. There is actually a free midweek scheduled for a week before Christmas, but I suspect we will use that for one of our league fixtures which were cancelled due to League Cup obligations. 

That’s a lot of football. It puts a big strain on finances for those fans in attendance either side of the festive season, and it puts a big strain on our players too. That is why we have invested decent money in the squad, and it is why BR gave a chance to so many of our fringe players over the past two months. That risk may have met with little obvious success, given that the players struggled to adapt, but they have had those starts, they have had that game time (including appearances from the bench.) They will have had some of that match-rustiness worn away, and will hopefully be more capable of taking the step up when required to do so again. 

The next two months will see us conclude our League Cup campaign-hopefully with a victory against TFOD-and begin our defence of The Scottish Cup. We will play our last four matches in the group stages of The Champions League,with hopefully enough of a return that we will later be playing in the knockout stages too. But as always, our top priority is the league title. We haven’t yet managed to burst clear of our nearest rivals, who are tenaciously matching us step for step. I congratulate them for their challenge, for few would have forecast it in July. But while it is time to stop congratulating them and put some distance between the two clubs, we can’t really do much when they continue to beat every other side, just as we do-the bastards! 

Tomorrow sees us commence our attack on four fronts with the most important one. At the always hostile Tynecastle, and at the ungodly hour of 745pm on a Saturday night. I’ll spare you the match preview as my partner in crime will already be preparing that for tomorrow. Suffice to say that Hearts, as ever, will not make it easy for us. Just as Aberdeen have refused to do all season. There are a lot of games between now and the start of February, spread over four different trophies, and we have to treat each one as important as the rest. There are no gimmes to be had, and each game will have to be won on the pitch. 

Bring it on!

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Above article by BMCUWP

86 Comments
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 22, 2024 6:00 am

As you will all know,the site finally nominated a charity to be the recipient of the generosity and largesse of yourselves,and I think you all deserve huge applause for raising just short of £2k.

⭐️👏☘️👍🍾

That period has passed,and a new charity has been chosen to take us through to the end of the year. A landslide vote in favour of

Lanarkshire Cancer Care Trust.

Once again,CHALMERSBHOY has done the spadework via JustGiving.
Here is the link for the Lanarkshire Cancer Care Trust,our new charity which we will support.

https://www.justgiving.com/page/sentinel-celts-1722588284471?utm_medium=fundraising&utm_content=page%2Fsentinel-celts-1722588284471&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=pfp-share

This drive has already raised approaching £2000,so join in. The more,the merrier.

Default payment method seems to be ApplePay,which won’t suit everyone. There is an option on the page to change that to your preferred means.

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 22, 2024 6:01 am

Please note the return of our SATURDAY NAPS Competition last month. If you haven’t signed up yet,please do so now.

Although it is free to enter,the prize money,50% provided by the site and 50% by 16 ROADS,is well worth it!

https://sentinelcelts.com/2024/10/06/saturday-naps-competition/

Please click on the link for details,and to register your interest.

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 22, 2024 6:01 am

Link to the CHALMERSBHOY Beat The Bookie Challenge.

https://sentinelcelts.com/2024/11/15/beat-the-bookie-part-two/

Please register your interest via the link.

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In addition to the nominated treble (see above) there is also a weekly 6-team acca. Each of us is looking for a nailed on certainty,but there’s no such thing! But we only make one selection each,and all we ask is…

If yer daft enough to follow our advice,put a quid on each for the nominated charity as well!

The current drive got a £400 boost from this a couple of weeks back,so we are hoping to build on that.

Go on,folks. A quid? What are you waiting for?

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 22, 2024 6:02 am

POTY Competition.

sencelpoty@gmail.com

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 22, 2024 6:07 am

IMPORTANT UPDATE to Beat-The-Bookie

Next up after the international break is 16 roads closely followed by bada bing (midweek).

Once again thank you all for your continuing to support our charity

Margaret McGill
November 22, 2024 7:30 am

I think Celtic PLC should build a hotel with a helipad and a museum at least until the Huns are back. It’s all about expectations

Jobo Baldie
November 22, 2024 7:44 am

Good morning, friends and a Big Happy Friday to all who post or lurk on this fine site.
Confused by your article Bobby in the sense that I assumed it was Mahe writing. It was those spaces after commas!
Aberdeen’s resurgence is to be welcomed while it lasts. I hear that St Mirren Park is close to a sell out tomorrow.

Craig 76
November 22, 2024 7:51 am
Frodshambhoy
November 22, 2024 8:11 am

Jobo Baldie
November 22, 2024 7:44 am
Good morning, friends and a Big Happy Friday to all who post or lurk on this fine site.
Confused by your article Bobby in the sense that I assumed it was Mahe writing. It was those spaces after commas!
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Well spotted Jobo. I always notice when they’re not there. I didn’t notice they were there today.
I think that makes sense 🥴🥴

Hoop hoop hooray
November 22, 2024 8:49 am

Everytine this season I hear the phrase ‘our nearest rivals’ I allow myself a wee smile.

Tough team selection tomorrow. Our samurai don’t get back from their round the world trips until yesterday or today and we need them fully functioning on Wednesday. Can we afford to bench/rest all 3 tomorrow?

SteveNaive
November 22, 2024 8:57 am

Top stuff Bobby
The Baseball ground was brilliant for mud games and I think it actually helped Ronnie Radcliffe’s famous cup goal v Toon.
Parkas a go go in that aftermath.
Our pitch is under lights day and night in winter.
22/11/63… JFK

Margaret McGill
November 22, 2024 9:00 am

5 tenners on Hearts

Bada Bing
November 22, 2024 9:28 am

AJ signs new 5 year contract

Big Audio Dynamite
November 22, 2024 10:05 am

Really hope AJ is here to see that contract out.

Great way to start the weekend.

I’m sure his teammates will be nearly as happy as we are.

A very solid and dependable player.

OhCanadaCSC

JimDom
November 22, 2024 10:14 am

A very good read BMCUWP, covering a number of topics.

Many of the men and women who will gather this morning for the AGM, will have purchased their small shareholding at the time of the initial 1995 flotation. Very much an emotional investment rather than a financial one.

Four years after that initial flotation, Fergus had put down 52,000 brand new seats and Celtic Park is now renowned throughout Europe for its atmosphere.

So, the Main Stand. If not now then when ? Does DD say not on his watch so the can just gets kicked down the road. Clubs all over the world are rebuilding and modernising. The issue of the impact on the pitch is not really an issue, this is 2024 not 1974. Pitch care technology improves all the time, and a new roof could be partly retractable, allowing maximum sunlight onto the playing surface. Go big or go home.

Can you imagine the reaction of those who follow follow the club on the south side of the city if Celtic were to announce a major investment in the Main Stand. We will take our current 10,000 seat advantage, and raise it.

At the very least, I hope that those in attendance this morning get an invite from the top table to stay behind for a bit of lunch when the AGM concludes. On the house, obviously.

Margaret McGill
November 22, 2024 10:27 am
Cosy Corner Bhoy
November 22, 2024 10:49 am

Jimdom: On the house – from our board?
It will be £350 and they’ll throw in a cup final ticket!!

JimDom
November 22, 2024 11:31 am

CCB

To this day Mrs JD has no knowledge as to why her engagement ring didn’t quite meet her expectation 🤷‍♀️. Well, back in 1995 I had to find £620 quid from somewhere !

Celtic is for life, marriage is for ……………………..children to carry the Celtic torch onwards.😉.

The PLC suits owe an enormous debt of gratitude to those first time shareholders, sitting in front of them this morning. It’s high time they showed it.

Auldheid
November 22, 2024 11:33 am

Celtic Underground reporting on AGM with latest Tweet at https://x.com/celticrumours/status/1859922350952890527

Frodshambhoy
November 22, 2024 11:36 am

We could solve the main stand issues by moving.
I’ve heard Cambuslang would be a good place for a new stadium. 😁😁

Bada Bing
November 22, 2024 11:50 am

Greece v Scotland
20 March away
23 March home

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 22, 2024 12:09 pm

FRODSHAMBHOY

Or Robroyston. Maybe some Celtic-minded individual owns a few dozen acres of development opportunity in the area?

Bada Bing
November 22, 2024 12:33 pm

Peter Lawwell says the fines are unacceptable and they have tried various routes to look at the ticket allocation but to no avail.
 
 
That’s a cop out answer,not enough effort made to weed out the culprits,and they still get tickets for away games, semis and finalsP

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 22, 2024 12:54 pm

BADABING

I suggest they need to try a bit bloody harder.

Bada Bing
November 22, 2024 12:55 pm

Of we do nothing it will never change

SFTB
November 22, 2024 12:57 pm

just an early reminder, especially for anyone hitting the drink tonight, that Round 13 of Superbru starts back tomorrow with 4 kick offs at 3pm and 2 kick offs later the same evening. Get your predictions in before the drinking as it may help. This message may be too late for BRRB.

Auldheid
November 22, 2024 1:01 pm

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

 November 22, 2024 12:54 pm
BADABING
I suggest they need to try a bit bloody harder.
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How about increasing ST prices to cover the cost of fines? That would concentrate minds on a solution.

Bada Bing
November 22, 2024 1:01 pm

Man United check a few hundred tickets at away games, seat must be shown with ID so match with United database who got tickets

Craig 76
November 22, 2024 1:05 pm
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
November 22, 2024 1:06 pm

AULDHEID

The vast majority of fans are already pissed off about the fines. They certainly aren’t responsible for them,so what makes you think that they should pay for them? “Concentrating minds” suggests you think they are part of the problem,which they certainly are not.

Auldheid
November 22, 2024 1:28 pm

Man City appear to have lost appeal against PL (have not read full thread)

https://x.com/sportingintel/status/1859950892851798199

Big Audio Dynamite
November 22, 2024 1:50 pm

The board’s online fire fighters out the traps early today.

Just in case they plebs ask any awkward questions.

Always gotta keep control of that narrative!

Auldheid
November 22, 2024 1:56 pm

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

 November 22, 2024 1:06 pm
AULDHEID
The vast majority of fans are already pissed off about the fines. They certainly aren’t responsible for them, so what makes you think that they should pay for them? “Concentrating minds” suggests you think they are part of the problem,which they certainly are not.
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It might suggest that to you but as long as the club has to pay using supporters money then making it totally clear to the support that they, not Celtic ARE paying the fines, might galvanise them to act.

I don’t see bringing issue to the table in that form as blaming the support more a way of diplomatically resolving the problem.

Celtic don’t need to do it, just make it clear they are thinking about adding a pyro premium to get the reaction of the support and that puts support and pyros in a position of having to decide what matters most to the majority.

Of course if those causing the fines pay them (as has happened before) the support can then help any fund raising efforts by the pyros.

If the pyros do not want to face up to the consequences of their actions, then the support can make it clear to Celtic by refusing to pay any pyro premium on STs that they are not willing to pay the pyro bills.

I was at a supporter meeting years back where support displeasure at the fines GB attracted was made clear and their spokesman at the time said no intent to change. That raised hackles.

It would be interesting to hear what the pyros would say if that proposal was put around the table at a Celtic convened meeting of all parties.

I’m using “pyros” in a collective sense for those embarking on any behaviour for which Celtic get fined.

Auldheid
November 22, 2024 2:01 pm

Big Audio Dynamite

 November 22, 2024 1:50 pm
The board’s online fire fighters out the traps early today.
Just in case they plebs ask any awkward questions.
Always gotta keep control of that narrative!
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Where?

Frodshambhoy
November 22, 2024 2:08 pm

Craig 76
November 22, 2024 1:05 pm
Be a cracking night
https://x.com/simplemindscom/status/1859884643035783441
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Should be cracking as you say.
Saw them at Delamere Forest a few years ago.
Also sat “next to” Jim Kerr at QPR friendly a good few years ago. Minders made sure he and his son had plenty of empty seats around him. Pity Patsy Kensit wasn’t a fan.
My son hadn’t a clue who he was.
Must be an age thing.

Just realised I won’t see our game live tomorrow night. Stupid kick off time.
I’m going to see King Creosote in Manchester.
Hope to be able to catch up on a victory on Sunday.

Big Audio Dynamite
November 22, 2024 2:11 pm

Auldheid,

All over Celtic Cyberspace.

Usually quite prolific after things like AGMs.

That narrative won’t control itself, eh?

There may be questions to answer.

Auldheid
November 22, 2024 2:53 pm

Background to Man City v PL case.

𝗠𝗮𝗻 𝗖𝗶𝘁𝘆 𝘃𝘀 𝗣𝗿𝗲𝗺𝗶𝗲𝗿 𝗟𝗲𝗮𝗴𝘂𝗲 – 𝘄𝗵𝘆 𝗙𝗿𝗶𝗱𝗮𝘆’𝘀 𝗔𝗣𝗧 𝘃𝗼𝘁𝗲 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗯𝗲 𝗰𝗿𝘂𝗰𝗶𝗮𝗹 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗳𝘂𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗴𝘂𝗲

This is long and complex… so I will do it in bullet point form rather than the usual prose for simplicity.

Megahttps://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f9f5.svg!!

First… A LOT of background to set context…
 
Earlier this year, Man City made a legal challenge against the Premier League’s Associated Party Transaction (APT) rules.
 
They were brought in by a vote of PL clubs during 2021 to beef up parts of the pre-existing Profit & Sustainability Rules (PSR), specifically the element concerning Related Party Transactions (RPT).
 
The RPT part of PSR meant that any transaction between a club and a ‘Related Party’ must be at Fair Market Value (FMV).
 
‘Related Party’ is a specific term within accounting rules. It has a formal definition.
 
The Premier League (PL) is understood to have feared clubs could circumvent the RPT rules in PSR if they had sufficient legal power… such as a those of states (UAE or Saudia Arabia perhaps).
 
This is because states would have the power to mask relationships between entities in their countries and make an actual Related Party look independent and ‘arm’s length’. As such, the FMV test would not apply.
 
The APT rules were introduced to give the PL more power in this area. It broadened the scope of transactions that would be FMV tested by creating its own definition of an ‘Associated Party’ instead of using ‘Related Party’. In my opinion, the biggest difference being a switch in the word “significant” to “material” with respect to influence.
 
The APT rules also granted the PL more powers to stop / re-value APTs than it had when dealing with RPTs.
 
In 2024, the PL clubs approved further changes to the APT rules that gave the PL even more powers.
 
A few months later, Man City initiated legal action against the PL, challenging the legitimacy of the APT rules.
 
Separately, Man City and the PL have been contesting another matter. The PL charged Man City with 130 breaches of its rules between 2009-2018. These breaches are extremely serious in nature.

The charges were made after a 4-year investigation following a leak of emails that had been hacked from Man City’s servers.

The investigation took a long time because Man City refused to comply with it and repeatedly challenged the merits of the investigation.

First in PL arbitration and then in the English Courts of Law. Man City lost every time and eventually had to hand over all the evidence demanded by the PL.

The hearing on these 130 charges started in mid-September and the first part (deciding on liability/guilt should now be finished). A decision may not be known for several months though.
 
If the decision is “guilty/liable” (which I very much expect it to be for the majority, if not all, of the charges) then I understand that there will be a second part to the hearing where applicable sanctions are argued for and against.

Now, back to the other matter on the APTs…

A decision was published in that hearing which revealed that Man City had argued against the lawfulness of FMV as a concept. Had they won this, it would have provided a very strong legal argument with which to win their battle on the 130 charges.

But they failed with this argument.
 
In fact, they lost on more than 80% of their arguments but they did win some. The Tribunal decided that the recent changes to the APT rules made in 2024 were unlawful and must be reversed.

The Tribunal also accepted an argument made by Man City that an exemption to the APT rules (incorporated when they were first written in 2021, relating to shareholder loans) was also unlawful.
 
Man City’s position is that this makes the entire section of APT rules unlawful and invalid. They believe they need to be scrapped, and any new rules constructed at a slower pace. They insist the process must not be “rushed”.
 
The PL’s position is that the rules can still be applied (with a blue pencil test where you effectively ignore the bits deemed unlawful and apply the rest). They also insist that the rules can be made fully lawful with a few minor changes and they want to put these changes to a vote (by the 20 clubs) on Friday 22 November.

14 votes are needed to pass the changes and approve them.
 
Man City has written to the clubs to pressure them into voting against the PL’s proposed rule changes, threatening legal action if the changes are made. They insist the changes will not make the rules lawful.

They also note that the Tribunal has been asked to provide clarity on the matter (who is right, Man City or PL).
 
It’s not clear how long the Tribunal will take to answer that question though.
 
So the PL’s attitude is basically… “let’s put in a fix now which we believe will work and should at least not make the rules any worse than they are now in terms of compliance with law – more changes can further be made if necessary.”
 
Man City’s attitude is “no-one should do anything for now. Leave the rules as they are.” (Which in their mind, is fully broken).
 
Now… what I think is actually going on here…
 
I think this conflict is actually about the 130 charges and that neither party is being fully transparent or on the level.
 
I believe that Man City are using this matter to box the PL into a corner regarding their position on an important matter related to the 130 charges; a position that Man City wants the PL to take because it might help them avoid the most serious of sanctions.
 
And I think the PL is trying to duck and weave out of that corner by stooping to Man City’s level!
 
Now… back to the matter of those 130 charges…
 
The most serious charges pertain to Man City’s sponsorship contracts with entities such as Etihad.

The leaked emails revealed that the sponsorship contracts were being mostly funded by Man City’s corporate owner, a company called Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG).

The leaks showed that each year, sponsors such as Etihad were funding just a few million pounds whereas the remaining £60m+ p.a. of the sponsorship agreements was being funded by ADUG.
 
This would mean that Man City were undertaking a conspiracy to covertly circumvent PSR, by channelling equity (owner funds) through sponsors and pretending it was genuine income. This would have enabled them to spend far more than the rules would have allowed otherwise.
 
These breaches took place between 2009-2018; long before the new APT rules came into force. The RPT rules did apply though.

If (or more likely, when) the breaches are sustained, both sides will need to argue for and against the sanctions that should be applied.
 
The general rule here is the larger the sporting impact of a rule breach, the more severe the sanction should be.
 
Man City will try to argue that the sporting impact was minimal and I suspect their argument will take this shape:
 
“Any money received from our sponsor Etihad that originated from ADUG is, in effect, group money. The parties should have been treated as Related and the sponsorship agreements with Etihad should have been treated as RPTs and disclosed as such. Therefore, FMV tests should have been applied.”
 
They will then use the same or similar analysis on the FMV of their sponsorship agreements that they prepared for a challenge by Uefa 10 years ago, which Uefa relied upon. This analysis apparently claimed that the sponsorship agreements they had were close to fair value.
 
They will do this to show that the vast majority of sponsorship income should be considered legitimate revenue for the FFP/PSR calculation, even if it was originally sourced from Man City’s owner.
 
In effect, they will argue that they gained a negligible advantage in monetary value, meaning the sporting impact of their breach was immaterial.
 
The PL will try to argue that the sporting impact was very serious and I suspect their argument will take this shape:
 
“Although Man City and Etihad are strongly associated, they do not meet the definition of a Related Party. As such, the money transferred by Man City’s owner (ADUG) to Etihad, to then be paid to Man City as if it were sponsorship revenue was, in fact, hidden equity.
As such, that entire sum that originated from ADUG should be treated as equity in the FFP/PSR calculation and not as legitimate revenue. The sponsorship income is only the portion that was funded from within the sponsor.”
 
This basis would mean Man City had an enormous illicit advantage, resulting in huge sporting impact.
 
It would also imply that the PL is making the argument that Etihad and ADUG are NOT legally Related Parties. A surprising outcome.
 
There are other reasons to suspect this is a position the PL is taking though, such as the absence of charges for rule breaches connected with failure to report the ultimate owner of the club.
 
So if my theory is correct, how does it intersect with the APT rules and Friday’s vote?
 
Well, if APT rules are unlawful and unenforceable then what is to stop Man City from securing an extremely large sponsorship agreement with Etihad? One that could keep them alive even if they are related for the next decade! Only the former RPT/PSR rules.
 
As such, the PL would have to argue that Man City and Etihad ARE Related Parties after all in order to enforce them, thereby undermining the argument they want to make at the hearing on the 130 charges.
 
This is the corner that Man City are trying to box the PL into.
 
How is the PL trying to duck and weave out of it? By passing changes to the rules that they can reasonably assert makes them lawful again… even if they’re not!
 
If the APT rules are updated and the PL has reasonable grounds to believe they are lawful; then for Man City to challenge that, they would have to bring forth a new APT for the PL to test, wait for the outcome and, depending on the outcome, bring legal action (through arbitration) to once again challenge the decision and the rules. It would take a long time… probably long enough for the sanctions to have been argued for and against in the hearing on the 130 charges.

Why do I think that the PL is “stooping to Man City’s level”? Because I’m not convinced they believe the proposed changes will actually make the rules lawful again.
 
They plan to include an exemption on shareholder loans issued up until this point (and only remove the exemption for loans issued moving forward). I think they needed to include this proposal to get the rule changes over the line with the club vote (because a good number of clubs have such loans).

But… I just don’t think that will fly. Long term, I think that will still be deemed unlawful (based off of my reading of the Tribunal’s decision and the rationale behind it).
 
However, I don’t think the PL care! So long as they can argue that there are reasonable grounds for them to believe the rules are lawful, then it puts Man City in the position of having to follow the lengthy process to challenge the rules again. By which time, the pivotal point in the hearing on the 130 charges should be over.
 
So this is why I think Friday is so pivotal and why the PL is so aggressively pushing to change the rules now and Man City is so aggressively trying to stop the clubs from voting on it.
 
Making Friday a pivotal point in the hearing on the 130 charges and the future of the league.
 
And now time to rest my thumbs!

Auldheid
November 22, 2024 3:18 pm

Re Man City post it sounds a bit like the LNS Decision that ebts gave Rangers no sporting advantage. LNS said

“ Nor is it a breach of SPL or SFA Rules for a club to arrange its affairs – within the law so as to minimise its tax liabilities. The Tax Tribunal has held (subject to appeal) that Oldco was acting within the law in setting up and operating the EBT scheme. The SPL presented no argument to challenge the decision of the majority of the Tax Tribunal and Mr McKenzie stated expressly that for all purposes of this Commission’s Inquiry and Determination the SPL accepted that decision as it stood, without regard to any possible appeal by HMRC. Accordingly, we proceed on the basis that the EBT arrangements were lawful.

The key phrase being within the law which is the basis of Man City appeal, the law in this case being PL law.

It appears Man City are not arguing that they acted within the law but that the sums raised did not convey any significant sporting advantage which is more about the sanctions to be applied.

Back to LNS: He based his decision on the status of ebts at the time of his decison and when the Supreme Court ruled Rangers used ebts in an unlawful manner in 2017 the SFA using QC as cover refused a request from Celtic to revisit LNS. You bet they did.

The whole LNS saga and the damage done to sporting integrity is set out in a long article at

LNS Lasting Damage to Integrity of Scottish Football.docx – Google Docs

Why is this till relevant? Because if Man City win on legal grounds the PL will have lost all claims to the PL being a place where results would be determined on the park but under rules that favoured the club with the richest backers.

Man City should be hunted.

Frodshambhoy
November 22, 2024 3:46 pm

“ Nor is it a breach of SPL or SFA Rules for a club to arrange its affairs – within the law so as to minimise its tax liabilities.

Auldheid, maybe it’s not relevant to LNS but what about hiding contracts / side letters from the SFA. Was that not considered. If so why not. Also, if it was ok to do what they did to minimise tax liabilities why did they hide it.

As we all know the whole thing stinks.

Auldheid
November 22, 2024 3:50 pm

Brendan’s latest Match Preview interview.

https://youtu.be/IRkZvfkb6f8?si=Kbb2QGSMsmTWSSpi

Frodshambhoy
November 22, 2024 4:01 pm

In November 2000, Flo was sold to Scottish Premier League team Rangers, in a record £12 million deal, making Flo the most expensive Norwegian player ever at the time, Rangers’ most expensive signing and the biggest transfer by any Scottish club.

Another thing on the contracts.
Did no one in authority think to query why Flo was happy to leave Chelsea and play in Scotland for £2.50 a week or whatever his official contract showed.

Mike in Toronto
November 22, 2024 4:15 pm

frodsham

Isnt it the dream of every young footballer the world over to play for the deadybears? They are, after all, the world’s most successful club …

(if you overlook other clubs who have actually won more … like Al Ahly or Nacional or Celtic …and also ignore the fact that the club that won most of ‘their’ honours … how shall I put it delicately? .. died! )

although, one thing I will say …. others may disagree … players that have played for them (inlcuding guys that have grown up as R*****s fans, seem to have a greater sense of loyalty to their club, than most Celtic guys have lotalty to Celtic … or at least they are noisier about it than most Celtic guys …. at least that is my sense of it

Mike in Toronto
November 22, 2024 4:20 pm

speaking of former players …. one time Celtc, Efrain Juarez, who is now manager of Nacional in Columbia, has been banned FOR THREE YEARS for ‘excessive celebration’ on the pitch after his team’s recent derby win.

The FA said that “The actions of the coach by his excessive celebrating directly put fans and players at risk by encouraging violence in the stadium.”

Yet, Jurarez’s player, and former DeadyBear, Alfredo Morelos can continue playing after seriously injuring someone while drinking and driving!

Auldheid
November 22, 2024 4:23 pm

Frodshambhoy

 November 22, 2024 3:46 pm
“ Nor is it a breach of SPL or SFA Rules for a club to arrange its affairs – within the law so as to minimise its tax liabilities.
Auldheid, maybe it’s not relevant to LNS but what about hiding contracts / side letters from the SFA. Was that not considered. If so why not. Also, if it was ok to do what they did to minimise tax liabilities why did they hide it.
As we all know the whole thing stinks.

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It was a set up from the off as the article demonstrates. Had the initial Tax Tribunal found for HMRC LNS could not have made that statement.

What charge should have been made is in the item I linked previously

5. Obligations and Duties of Members
5.1 All members shall: –

(a) observe the principles of loyalty, integrity and sportsmanship in accordance with the rules of fair play

So, there was no need to invent rules although in 2014 in an effort at harmonising the SFA and SPFL rules the SFA saw fit after the events from 2000 to 2011 to stiffen their Article 5.1 (a) with the addition from SPFL rules of 
5.1.(f )  behave towards the Scottish FA and other members with the utmost good faith

Clearly Rangers failed to do so.

McCaff
November 22, 2024 6:00 pm

On the day I discovered that the big energy companies put a levy of approximately 50 quid a year on ALL bill payers to cover the nonpayers I’m all for Auldheid’s suggestion of levying me and every other season ticket holder to cover the cost of any fines and while I’m on a roll with this why not allow me to pay every dissenters TV licence fee, all outstanding Poll Tax arrears and if anyone has an unpaid parking ticket why not just forward that to me, as well!
Auldheid…rein it in,man!! 🤔🙄

Leggy
November 22, 2024 6:25 pm

Cheers McCaff,

My next bar bill heading your way 😁😁😁

Ps

There could be trouble ahead 🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
if yon BRRB fella sends you his 😂😂😂

Liquidation Liquidation na na na na na 🎶🎶🎶🎶

McCaff
November 22, 2024 6:31 pm

Aw come on noo, Leggy, it’s not unlimited funds I’ve got!! 🤣
#SheikhBRRB CSC

INIQUITOUS IV
November 22, 2024 7:02 pm

Greetings all:
It appears that more MLS teams are going from strength to strength financially. Yesterday, Cincinnati FC, one of the newer clubs, signed Togo striker Denkey from Cercle Brugge for a staggering $16.2M. The days of European clubs getting bargains from US and Canadian teams appears to be receding, and that trend may now be reversing.

Cincinnati finished 3rd behind Inter Miami in the Eastern Conference and are out of the playoffs, and appear determined to improve on their performance next season.
HH
Iniquitous IV😊